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  1. I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how
    caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've stayed at
    a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably 300g at least),
    but how does the increase of calories affect a person on this diet?
    How do you calculate how many calories you should have in one day? I
    am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't there a number of calories that
    a person just works off in a regular day? I do a fair bit of moving
    around at work and I've been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm
    curious as to how to limit my intake.

    Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    concerned?

  2. Typically, on LC one eats fewer calories because of reduced appetite.

    Try http://www.FitDay.com

    Ideas on fat vary. Doing low carb and low fat at the same time fails. IMHO
    a good fat percentage of fat by calories is 65%.

    "One of the Survivors" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how
    caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've stayed at
    a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably 300g at least),
    but how does the increase of calories affect a person on this diet?
    How do you calculate how many calories you should have in one day? I
    am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't there a number of calories that
    a person just works off in a regular day? I do a fair bit of moving
    around at work and I've been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm
    curious as to how to limit my intake.

    Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    concerned?

  3. What you're looking for as far as the minimum caloric intake is called the
    Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR). Do a google search for the term and you'll
    find plenty of sites offering explanations and calculators. It appears
    from previous discussions that not many people on this ng think it's
    important, though. I'm to be one of the few that does. :-)
    I'm not aware of any limits on the numbers for daily fat grams but it
    likely depends on the plan you're following. I'm on Protein Power Plan and
    the only stipulation is that the fat come from healthy sources (ie. not
    trans fats).

    on 14 Sep 2004 21:41:48 -0700, [email hidden] (One of

    the Survivors) said:

    I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how
    caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've stayed at
    a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably 300g at least),
    but how does the increase of calories affect a person on this diet?
    How do you calculate how many calories you should have in one day? I
    am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't there a number of calories that
    a person just works off in a regular day? I do a fair bit of moving
    around at work and I've been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm
    curious as to how to limit my intake.

    Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    concerned?

    -----
    Bev

  4. One of the Survivors said:

    I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how
    caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've stayed at
    a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably 300g at least),
    but how does the increase of calories affect a person on this diet?


    If you head on over to a resource like www.fitday.com, and enter in a
    typical pre-diet day, you will probably find that you are eating fewer
    calories now rather than more. (Certainly if you are losing fat you are now
    eating fewer calories than before, no magic there.) Those 300g of carbs you
    used to eat represent 1200 calories a day that are no longer part of your
    diet. Even if you replace half of those calories with low carb foods - and
    that's quite a bit of low carb food - you would still be running a
    substantial calorie deficit compared to your previous eating habits.

    Quoted message said:

    How do you calculate how many calories you should have in one day? I
    am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't there a number of calories that
    a person just works off in a regular day? I do a fair bit of moving
    around at work and I've been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm
    curious as to how to limit my intake.


    FitDay also includes a calories consumption calculator, but the general
    consensus is that it vastly overestimates the amount of calories burned off
    doing things. If you tell it that you are sedentary 24 hours a day, it will
    give you a reasonably accurate (as accurate as anyone else's) estimate of
    your basal metabolic rate (BMR). Most people find that eating right around
    your BMR is effective for weight loss. (Remember that your BMR decreases as
    you lose weight.) That's what I do.

    Another approach many people take is to start at 10 times their bodyweight
    in Calories; so if you weigh 220, you would start at 2200 for a couple of
    weeks. If you don't see any loss at that level, come down to 9 times your
    bodyweight, and so on. Since you are male (I'm assuming this because of
    your height, and apologize if I am wrong) and you exercise, you will
    probably lose weight very comfortably at 10 x bodyweight, but you have to do
    the experiment to know for sure.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    concerned?


    I'll let someone else field this one.

    --
    carla
    http://geekofalltrades.typepad.com/geek

  5. Quoted message said:

    I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how
    caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've stayed at
    a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably 300g at least),
    but how does the increase of calories affect a person on this diet?

    I've been able to eat what I want, and as long as I stay low-carb, I lose. No
    calorie counting yet. Hubby is the same. Then again, our "want" has diminished
    greatly since we started eating LC. This may or may not work for you. If you're
    eating more calories, and not losing, the answer is obvious, and you need to
    restrict your intake. But if you are losing, why sweat it?
    LCing since 12/01/03-
    Me- 5'7" 265/166/140
    & hubby- 6' 310/188/180
    http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lcer09/my_photos

  6. Quoted message said:

    Ideas on fat vary. Doing low carb and low fat at the same time fails. IMHO
    a good fat percentage of fat by calories is 65%.

    Whenever I have a little stall, it's one of two things. I've either slacked off
    on my water drinking, or my fat intake. When I remember to keep them up, I lose
    again.
    LCing since 12/01/03-
    Me- 5'7" 265/166/140
    & hubby- 6' 310/188/180
    http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lcer09/my_photos

  7. Welcome to low-carbing.

    Here is the formula I used:

    I take my current weight to determine my caloric intake for the day. At 220
    pounds it would be a minimum of 2200 calories (220*10) and a maximum of 2640
    calories (220*12).

    What I like about my formula is that it is based on my current weight, so as
    my weight changes, so do my goals.

    I only weigh myself once a week and set my next weeks goals based on that
    weekly weight.

    I use the following formula for grams of fat, carbs, protein, and alcohol.

    70% of my caloric intake is from fat. So at 220 pounds my fat intake would
    be a minimum of 172 grams and a maximum of 205 grams. More importantly to
    me, I very strictly target for a minimum maximum saturated fat intake of
    20%. So at 220 pounds the minimum saturated fat would be 48 grams and the
    maximum would be 60 grams. I feel that it is important that the amount of
    saturated fat intake be controlled.

    Carbs I target at 5 % of my daily caloric intake. So at 220 pounds the
    minimum would be 27 grams and the maximum would be 33 grams per day.

    Protein I target for 20 percent of my daily caloric intake so at 220 pounds
    my goals would be a minimum of 110 grams of protein and a maximum of 132
    grams per day.

    Alcohol I allow 5% of caloric intake. If I have a beer that is 13 grams of
    carbs plus the alcohol grams ... so (at 220 pounds) I would drink one jigger
    of rum each day, with diet rite cola. That adds up to between 16 and 18
    grams of alcohol per day.

    I also use a formula for amount of water to consume. I take my current
    weight and divide by two .... so at 220 I would strive to drink 110 ounces
    of water a day.

    For the first 3 months I rigorously followed these formulas on
    www.fitday.com . Doing that helped me to learn portion sizes and really nail
    down and stick to my daily goals.

    This is the approach I took, and it worked well for me. My target weight was
    145 ... based upon a nutritionists analysis ... but for the past several
    months my body has been saying ... no ... 149 - 150 is just fine.

    Hope you find some of this information to be useful as a starting point for
    formulating your goals.

    Take Care,

    Placid
    203/149/150

    "One of the Survivors" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how
    caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've stayed at
    a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably 300g at least),
    but how does the increase of calories affect a person on this diet?
    How do you calculate how many calories you should have in one day? I
    am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't there a number of calories that
    a person just works off in a regular day? I do a fair bit of moving
    around at work and I've been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm
    curious as to how to limit my intake.

    Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    concerned?

  8. [email hidden] (One of the Survivors) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how
    caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've stayed at
    a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably 300g at least),
    but how does the increase of calories affect a person on this diet?
    How do you calculate how many calories you should have in one day? I
    am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't there a number of calories that
    a person just works off in a regular day? I do a fair bit of moving
    around at work and I've been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm
    curious as to how to limit my intake.

    Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    concerned?

    Restricting and counting calories has been shown to fail in 98% of
    cases. The numbers do not make sense in the real world.

    Why bother counting calories when simply count carbs does the trick?

    TC

  9. tcomeau wrote:
    :: [email hidden] (One of the Survivors) wrote in
    :: message news:<[email hidden]>...
    ::: I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering
    ::: how caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've
    ::: stayed at a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably
    ::: 300g at least), but how does the increase of calories affect a
    ::: person on this diet? How do you calculate how many calories you
    ::: should have in one day? I am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't
    ::: there a number of calories that a person just works off in a
    ::: regular day? I do a fair bit of moving around at work and I've
    ::: been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm curious as to how to
    ::: limit my intake.
    :::
    ::: Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    ::: concerned?
    ::
    :: Restricting and counting calories has been shown to fail in 98% of
    :: cases. The numbers do not make sense in the real world.
    ::
    :: Why bother counting calories when simply count carbs does the trick?

    Because simply counting carbs doesn't do the trick for many people.

    And what makes you believe that if counting calories won't work that
    counting carbs will?

  10. "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    tcomeau wrote:
    :: [email hidden] (One of the Survivors) wrote in
    :: message news:<[email hidden]>...
    ::: I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering
    ::: how caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've
    ::: stayed at a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably
    ::: 300g at least), but how does the increase of calories affect a
    ::: person on this diet? How do you calculate how many calories you
    ::: should have in one day? I am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't
    ::: there a number of calories that a person just works off in a
    ::: regular day? I do a fair bit of moving around at work and I've
    ::: been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm curious as to how to
    ::: limit my intake.
    :::
    ::: Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    ::: concerned?
    ::
    :: Restricting and counting calories has been shown to fail in 98% of
    :: cases. The numbers do not make sense in the real world.
    ::
    :: Why bother counting calories when simply count carbs does the trick?

    Because simply counting carbs doesn't do the trick for many people.

    And what makes you believe that if counting calories won't work that
    counting carbs will?

    Because I have seen, first hand, LCing work for *everyone* who has
    tried it and applied it correctly, without exception, and I have seen
    posts, reports and photos of hundreds who have succeeded in the
    low-carb forums. These people are only a small fraction of those
    succeeding on low-carb diets. And an ever increasing number of studies
    have confirmed the efficacy of low-carb diets.

    Which is far more success than can be said about those who attempt a
    low-fat/low-cal diet for weight loss. If all that was needed to lose
    weight was to count calories and restrict high-calorie foods, such as
    fat, then anyone *wanting* to be thin and applying even a *modicum* of
    effort to restrict calories and fat would *be* thin. But we know that
    that is NOT the case, don't we?

    TC

  11. tcomeau wrote:
    :: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :: news:<[email hidden]>...
    ::: tcomeau wrote:
    ::::: [email hidden] (One of the Survivors) wrote in
    ::::: message news:<[email hidden]>...
    :::::: I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering
    :::::: how caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've
    :::::: stayed at a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably
    :::::: 300g at least), but how does the increase of calories affect a
    :::::: person on this diet? How do you calculate how many calories you
    :::::: should have in one day? I am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't
    :::::: there a number of calories that a person just works off in a
    :::::: regular day? I do a fair bit of moving around at work and I've
    :::::: been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm curious as to how to
    :::::: limit my intake.
    ::::::
    :::::: Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    :::::: concerned?
    :::::
    ::::: Restricting and counting calories has been shown to fail in 98% of
    ::::: cases. The numbers do not make sense in the real world.
    :::::
    ::::: Why bother counting calories when simply count carbs does the
    ::::: trick?
    :::
    ::: Because simply counting carbs doesn't do the trick for many people.
    :::
    ::: And what makes you believe that if counting calories won't work that
    ::: counting carbs will?
    ::
    :: Because I have seen, first hand, LCing work for *everyone* who has
    :: tried it and applied it correctly, without exception, and I have seen
    :: posts, reports and photos of hundreds who have succeeded in the
    :: low-carb forums. These people are only a small fraction of those
    :: succeeding on low-carb diets. And an ever increasing number of
    :: studies
    :: have confirmed the efficacy of low-carb diets.

    Why are you making this argument? I never implied that low carb didn't
    work, I was talking about counting calories and carbs as opposed to one or
    the other. You're not going to suggest to me that you won't lose weight
    simply because you're counting calories, are you?

    ::
    :: Which is far more success than can be said about those who attempt a
    :: low-fat/low-cal diet for weight loss. If all that was needed to lose
    :: weight was to count calories and restrict high-calorie foods, such as
    :: fat, then anyone *wanting* to be thin and applying even a *modicum*
    :: of
    :: effort to restrict calories and fat would *be* thin. But we know that
    :: that is NOT the case, don't we?

    You're making the wrong points. Do you think I'd be hanging out here if I
    didn't believe that LC works? However, I count both calories and carbs.

  12. Hi TC,

    Quoted message said:

    Because I have seen, first hand, LCing work for *everyone* who has
    tried it and applied it correctly, without exception ....

    I agree that LC is the WOE of choice - that said, I think that some
    LCers (such as myself) DO have to watch their calories as well as
    their carbs.

    After 6 month on LC and while being in ketosis continuously (medium
    dark radings most of the time, never negative) I regained over 8 lbs
    on a carb level around 30 - 40g / day.

    I have since upped my exercise (joined a gym 1st Sept.) and
    try to cut down on my calories.....

    Take care,
    Hamburger

    LC since 1st Sept. 2003
    320/288/200
    male, 48 yrs. 6'1"

  13. I count both calories and carbs, too. My average daily calorie intake is
    1200, with a daily average of 25 carbs. Low carbing has helped me to
    control my appetite, but I need to count calories to control the amount of
    food I eat.

    And the pounds keep coming off!

    --
    Linda
    296/200/160
    LC since Oct. 13, 2003
    http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html

    "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    tcomeau wrote:
    :: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :: news:<[email hidden]>...
    ::: tcomeau wrote:
    ::::: [email hidden] (One of the Survivors) wrote in
    ::::: message news:<[email hidden]>...
    :::::: I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering
    :::::: how caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've
    :::::: stayed at a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably
    :::::: 300g at least), but how does the increase of calories affect a
    :::::: person on this diet? How do you calculate how many calories you
    :::::: should have in one day? I am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't
    :::::: there a number of calories that a person just works off in a
    :::::: regular day? I do a fair bit of moving around at work and I've
    :::::: been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm curious as to how to
    :::::: limit my intake.
    ::::::
    :::::: Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    :::::: concerned?
    :::::
    ::::: Restricting and counting calories has been shown to fail in 98% of
    ::::: cases. The numbers do not make sense in the real world.
    :::::
    ::::: Why bother counting calories when simply count carbs does the
    ::::: trick?
    :::
    ::: Because simply counting carbs doesn't do the trick for many people.
    :::
    ::: And what makes you believe that if counting calories won't work that
    ::: counting carbs will?
    ::
    :: Because I have seen, first hand, LCing work for *everyone* who has
    :: tried it and applied it correctly, without exception, and I have seen
    :: posts, reports and photos of hundreds who have succeeded in the
    :: low-carb forums. These people are only a small fraction of those
    :: succeeding on low-carb diets. And an ever increasing number of
    :: studies
    :: have confirmed the efficacy of low-carb diets.

    Why are you making this argument? I never implied that low carb didn't
    work, I was talking about counting calories and carbs as opposed to one or
    the other. You're not going to suggest to me that you won't lose weight
    simply because you're counting calories, are you?

    ::
    :: Which is far more success than can be said about those who attempt a
    :: low-fat/low-cal diet for weight loss. If all that was needed to lose
    :: weight was to count calories and restrict high-calorie foods, such as
    :: fat, then anyone *wanting* to be thin and applying even a *modicum*
    :: of
    :: effort to restrict calories and fat would *be* thin. But we know that
    :: that is NOT the case, don't we?

    You're making the wrong points. Do you think I'd be hanging out here if I
    didn't believe that LC works? However, I count both calories and carbs.

  14. "carla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    One of the Survivors said:

    I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how
    caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've stayed at
    a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably 300g at least),
    but how does the increase of calories affect a person on this diet?


    If you head on over to a resource like www.fitday.com, and enter in a
    typical pre-diet day, you will probably find that you are eating fewer
    calories now rather than more. (Certainly if you are losing fat you are now
    eating fewer calories than before, no magic there.) Those 300g of carbs you
    used to eat represent 1200 calories a day that are no longer part of your
    diet. Even if you replace half of those calories with low carb foods - and
    that's quite a bit of low carb food - you would still be running a
    substantial calorie deficit compared to your previous eating habits.

    Quoted message said:

    How do you calculate how many calories you should have in one day? I
    am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't there a number of calories that
    a person just works off in a regular day? I do a fair bit of moving
    around at work and I've been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm
    curious as to how to limit my intake.


    FitDay also includes a calories consumption calculator, but the general
    consensus is that it vastly overestimates the amount of calories burned off
    doing things. If you tell it that you are sedentary 24 hours a day, it will
    give you a reasonably accurate (as accurate as anyone else's) estimate of
    your basal metabolic rate (BMR). Most people find that eating right around
    your BMR is effective for weight loss. (Remember that your BMR decreases as
    you lose weight.) That's what I do.

    Another approach many people take is to start at 10 times their bodyweight
    in Calories; so if you weigh 220, you would start at 2200 for a couple of
    weeks. If you don't see any loss at that level, come down to 9 times your
    bodyweight, and so on. Since you are male (I'm assuming this because of
    your height, and apologize if I am wrong) and you exercise, you will
    probably lose weight very comfortably at 10 x bodyweight, but you have to do
    the experiment to know for sure.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    concerned?


    I'll let someone else field this one.

    Wow...Thanks a lot for letting me know about the fitday site! That is
    awesome. It really made me feel pretty good today. Although, I'm
    concerned that I'm pretty low on the fat and calorie intake. It's
    almost 9pm and I've only eaten a little over 1000 calories and 43
    grams of fat. Considering how many calories it says I worked off
    today, I'm 3000 calories ahead. If I eat at this rate, is it possible
    that I won't lose just because I'm not eating enough? I feel that
    I've eaten quite a bit today...well, especially tonight, I just had
    tuna salad and cucumber for lunch. But I had a steak and some cheese
    and some cottage cheese.

    Oh yeah, I am a male, you're right. I thought that would have been
    funny if I pretended to be a very large female, but I decided against
    it.

    My next question would be: What is it, four calories per gram of fat?
    Do you add that onto your regular calories to find where you're at?

    Thanks.

  15. Quoted message said:

    My next question would be: What is it, four calories per gram of fat?

    No, four for carbs and protein. Nine for fat.
    LCing since 12/01/03-
    Me- 5'7" 265/166/140
    & hubby- 6' 310/188/180
    http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lcer09/my_photos

  16. This is extremely helpful, thanks a lot. Let me ask you, how did you
    figure out all of these formulas that you use? Is it just from trial
    and error, or from books you've read or something else?

    I am now using the fitday website and am finding it to be a wonderful
    resource, too. The only problem I see myself having is maybe trying
    to learn portion sizes. For example, I've been eating steak and I
    don't really know how to measure it except in grams. They always ask
    how many cups of it or how many ounces. I guess I probably just need
    to learn the conversions...

    Also, do you eat a lot of times a day? I'm trying to work out a
    system, but I have never been a breakfast eater and there have been
    long periods in the past where I haven't had lunch either. I've never
    been a healthy eater. For the longest time, I only at one big meal at
    dinner time and then maybe a snack late at night. So I wonder if I
    should eat three times a day or eat a little bit a bunch of times a
    day? Any advice for this?

    Thanks for the advice.

    "PlacidBull" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Welcome to low-carbing.

    Here is the formula I used:

    I take my current weight to determine my caloric intake for the day. At 220
    pounds it would be a minimum of 2200 calories (220*10) and a maximum of 2640
    calories (220*12).

    What I like about my formula is that it is based on my current weight, so as
    my weight changes, so do my goals.

    I only weigh myself once a week and set my next weeks goals based on that
    weekly weight.

    I use the following formula for grams of fat, carbs, protein, and alcohol.

    70% of my caloric intake is from fat. So at 220 pounds my fat intake would
    be a minimum of 172 grams and a maximum of 205 grams. More importantly to
    me, I very strictly target for a minimum maximum saturated fat intake of
    20%. So at 220 pounds the minimum saturated fat would be 48 grams and the
    maximum would be 60 grams. I feel that it is important that the amount of
    saturated fat intake be controlled.

    Carbs I target at 5 % of my daily caloric intake. So at 220 pounds the
    minimum would be 27 grams and the maximum would be 33 grams per day.

    Protein I target for 20 percent of my daily caloric intake so at 220 pounds
    my goals would be a minimum of 110 grams of protein and a maximum of 132
    grams per day.

    Alcohol I allow 5% of caloric intake. If I have a beer that is 13 grams of
    carbs plus the alcohol grams ... so (at 220 pounds) I would drink one jigger
    of rum each day, with diet rite cola. That adds up to between 16 and 18
    grams of alcohol per day.

    I also use a formula for amount of water to consume. I take my current
    weight and divide by two .... so at 220 I would strive to drink 110 ounces
    of water a day.

    For the first 3 months I rigorously followed these formulas on
    www.fitday.com . Doing that helped me to learn portion sizes and really nail
    down and stick to my daily goals.

    This is the approach I took, and it worked well for me. My target weight was
    145 ... based upon a nutritionists analysis ... but for the past several
    months my body has been saying ... no ... 149 - 150 is just fine.

    Hope you find some of this information to be useful as a starting point for
    formulating your goals.

    Take Care,

    Placid
    203/149/150

    Quoted message said:

    "One of the Survivors" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how
    caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've stayed at
    a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably 300g at least),
    but how does the increase of calories affect a person on this diet?
    How do you calculate how many calories you should have in one day? I
    am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't there a number of calories that
    a person just works off in a regular day? I do a fair bit of moving
    around at work and I've been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm
    curious as to how to limit my intake.

    Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    concerned?

  17. When I first started using fitday I began to realize that I needed an
    inexpensive scale to weigh my food in ounces and I needed measuring cups and
    spoons so that I could accurately input the data to fitday.

    A food scale at K-Mart is about $7.

    So I think you are right on track based upon your questions.

    I discovered that I could measure the food in ounces, tablespoons, and cups
    and that fitday would convert that to grams of fat, protein, carbs, and
    alcohol.

    So I was in business. Over time I learned that 1 ounce of almonds was 22
    kernals ... that 4 ounces of hamburger satisfied my hunger when I used to
    make 12 ounce hamburgers ... basically I began to learn what a portion size
    was.

    I adopted the motto "If you can't measure it you can't manage it."

    Like you are experiencing, I found fitday to be perfect for my particular
    approach.

    Using fitday, I would input what I planned to eat for the day and kept
    tweaking the portion sizes until they matched my formula.

    To make things simple, once I did come up with the magical menu that meet
    all the % criteria, I stuck to it and ate the same thing every day. This
    approach is not for everyone but it worked for me. I soon learned how to
    reach in and pull out exactly one ounce of almonds ... how to measure
    exactly 4 ounces of V8 juice ... etc etc.

    So for me this approach was my way of unlearning bad habits and relearning
    good eating habits.

    I don't know exactly how I came up with the formulas. Some of the
    information I got from the www.atkins.com web site. The web site has a
    search engine that you can use boolean expressions and pull out articles
    that specifically answer your questions.

    This board was also a major source of information.

    You have to figure out what works for you. Many people have different
    approaches and many people told me that I was doing the wrong thing.
    Professional nutritionists were notorious for trying to discourage me.

    The only three things that I would add as tips ... is that it is very
    important to take your EFA's (Essential Fatty Acids) each day ... its very
    important to take a good multi-vitamin ... and it is important to never be
    hungry.

    I eat about 6 times a day. I always carry almonds with me in case I get
    hungry while I am out.

    Like I said, these are just things that worked for me. You have come to a
    good place for information by coming to this board.

    You seem to be asking the right questions so I think you will be able to
    weed out the good advice from the bad advice.

    More than anything this is a process. It is learning a new way of eating. It
    takes time. In the end, I was amazed at how effortlessly I am able to follow
    my plan, regardless of where I am. I am also facinated (silently of course)
    watching those around me scarfing down all those carbs!

    Anyway, I am rambling on here, but good luck on low-carbing. Sounds like you
    are on the right track.

    Take Care,

    Placid
    203/149/150
    "One of the Survivors" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This is extremely helpful, thanks a lot. Let me ask you, how did you
    figure out all of these formulas that you use? Is it just from trial
    and error, or from books you've read or something else?

    I am now using the fitday website and am finding it to be a wonderful
    resource, too. The only problem I see myself having is maybe trying
    to learn portion sizes. For example, I've been eating steak and I
    don't really know how to measure it except in grams. They always ask
    how many cups of it or how many ounces. I guess I probably just need
    to learn the conversions...

    Also, do you eat a lot of times a day? I'm trying to work out a
    system, but I have never been a breakfast eater and there have been
    long periods in the past where I haven't had lunch either. I've never
    been a healthy eater. For the longest time, I only at one big meal at
    dinner time and then maybe a snack late at night. So I wonder if I
    should eat three times a day or eat a little bit a bunch of times a
    day? Any advice for this?

    Thanks for the advice.

    "PlacidBull" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Welcome to low-carbing.

    Here is the formula I used:

    I take my current weight to determine my caloric intake for the day. At
    220
    pounds it would be a minimum of 2200 calories (220*10) and a maximum of
    2640
    calories (220*12).

    What I like about my formula is that it is based on my current weight, so
    as
    my weight changes, so do my goals.

    I only weigh myself once a week and set my next weeks goals based on that
    weekly weight.

    I use the following formula for grams of fat, carbs, protein, and
    alcohol.

    70% of my caloric intake is from fat. So at 220 pounds my fat intake
    would
    be a minimum of 172 grams and a maximum of 205 grams. More importantly to
    me, I very strictly target for a minimum maximum saturated fat intake of
    20%. So at 220 pounds the minimum saturated fat would be 48 grams and the
    maximum would be 60 grams. I feel that it is important that the amount of
    saturated fat intake be controlled.

    Carbs I target at 5 % of my daily caloric intake. So at 220 pounds the
    minimum would be 27 grams and the maximum would be 33 grams per day.

    Protein I target for 20 percent of my daily caloric intake so at 220
    pounds
    my goals would be a minimum of 110 grams of protein and a maximum of 132
    grams per day.

    Alcohol I allow 5% of caloric intake. If I have a beer that is 13 grams
    of
    carbs plus the alcohol grams ... so (at 220 pounds) I would drink one
    jigger
    of rum each day, with diet rite cola. That adds up to between 16 and 18
    grams of alcohol per day.

    I also use a formula for amount of water to consume. I take my current
    weight and divide by two .... so at 220 I would strive to drink 110
    ounces
    of water a day.

    For the first 3 months I rigorously followed these formulas on
    www.fitday.com . Doing that helped me to learn portion sizes and really
    nail
    down and stick to my daily goals.

    This is the approach I took, and it worked well for me. My target weight
    was
    145 ... based upon a nutritionists analysis ... but for the past several
    months my body has been saying ... no ... 149 - 150 is just fine.

    Hope you find some of this information to be useful as a starting point
    for
    formulating your goals.

    Take Care,

    Placid
    203/149/150

    Quoted message said:

    "One of the Survivors" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been low-carbing for a couple of weeks now and I'm wondering how
    caloric intake affects your weight loss on this diet. I've stayed at
    a good level of carbs a day (15-30g, cut from probably 300g at least),
    but how does the increase of calories affect a person on this diet?
    How do you calculate how many calories you should have in one day? I
    am 6'2, 220lbs (down from 226)...Isn't there a number of calories that
    a person just works off in a regular day? I do a fair bit of moving
    around at work and I've been walking 4 or 5 nights a week, so I'm
    curious as to how to limit my intake.

    Also, is there a number to shoot for as far as grams of fat are
    concerned?

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (One of the Survivors) said:


    Wow...Thanks a lot for letting me know about the fitday site! That is
    awesome. It really made me feel pretty good today. Although, I'm
    concerned that I'm pretty low on the fat and calorie intake. It's
    almost 9pm and I've only eaten a little over 1000 calories and 43
    grams of fat. Considering how many calories it says I worked off
    today, I'm 3000 calories ahead. If I eat at this rate, is it possible
    that I won't lose just because I'm not eating enough?

    Probably not. Most of the time, if people stall from not eating enough,
    it's because they are forcing themselves to stop eating when they're still
    really hungry. If you stop because you're not hungry, that's totally
    different. It's normal to have some low-calorie days and some high-calorie
    days, what you need to pay attention to is an average over time. I think
    "starvation mode" doesn't set in until there are several days of less than
    600 calories anyway, IIRC.

    --
    Michelle Levin
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

  19. One of the Survivors said:


    I am now using the fitday website and am finding it to be a wonderful
    resource, too. The only problem I see myself having is maybe trying
    to learn portion sizes. For example, I've been eating steak and I
    don't really know how to measure it except in grams. They always ask
    how many cups of it or how many ounces. I guess I probably just need
    to learn the conversions...


    [snip]

    It's possible that the non-free, downloadable version of FitDay has more
    options for measurement units - I'm not sure. See if you can find out from
    the FitDay website or from someone else on here that uses it.

    Also, there are many folks here from outside the US who use metric
    measurements and also use FitDay; I am fairly certain there has been some
    discussion in the past and if you Google the archives of this group you
    might find some suggestions for on-line conversion calculators. Again, I'm
    just not sure. A pointed question to the group about metric measures and
    FitDay might help if you can't find anything in the archives.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, do you eat a lot of times a day? I'm trying to work out a
    system, but I have never been a breakfast eater and there have been
    long periods in the past where I haven't had lunch either. I've never
    been a healthy eater. For the longest time, I only at one big meal at
    dinner time and then maybe a snack late at night. So I wonder if I
    should eat three times a day or eat a little bit a bunch of times a
    day? Any advice for this?


    This varies a lot person to person, I find, so you may just have to do your
    own experimenting to figure out what works for you. For me, I eat several
    (4-5) smallish meals a day, and at the moment I average about 1600 Calories
    a day. When I discovered this system it was like a revelation to me; it
    makes staying on plan just so much easier. The key for me is to make sure
    that every "meal" and every "snack" has a good amount of protein and fat -
    like some nuts, eggs, cheese, nut butter, something like that. (When I was
    on Weight Watchers I used to have snacks made up of plain raw vegetables - I
    love the way they taste, but they aren't so great for satisfying actual
    hunger.)

    --
    carla
    http://geekofalltrades.typepad.com/geek

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