Calls for MHL

Quoted message said:

On the plus side, one of the "related internet links" on the page is
www.cyclehelmets.org

Bad form to reply to my own message but I just noticed that on the same page
is a link to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_the_doctor/bicyclehelmets.shtml which has a
doctor rolling out the old "wearing a helmet reduces the risk of head injury
by 63 per cent and the risk of losing consciousness by 86 per cent" line.

Tom
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Quoted message said:

A mother fights for law on helmets

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6054340.stm

On the plus side, one of the "related internet links" on the page is
www.cyclehelmets.org

Tom
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What I find rather odd about what the woman says is that kids don't like
wearing them if others don't.

So she thinks that making it law for under 14s to wear them will change
that. If they don't who will be responsible for any court action (bearing in
mind that under a given age they cannot be prosecuted anyway).

If her son was 9 when he died he could not have been prosecuted as he was
too young - presumably his parents were not there when he had his accident
so if the law said he had to and was killed not wearing one but actually did
have one would the parents have been prosecuted?

If the mother had thought that wearing a helmet was a good idea why did she
not insist that he wore one.

DaveB

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Tom said:

A mother fights for law on helmets

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6054340.stm

Grief and guilt are powerful emotions, and probably not conducive to
objective decision making.

Tom said:

A mother fights for law on helmets

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6054340.stm

On the plus side, one of the "related internet links" on the page is
www.cyclehelmets.org

This seems to be the annual BHiT binge and London photocall when they
wheel out the same old crowd. I thought they had gone quiet for a bit.
Last time they 'launched' Parents For Helmets (still under construction
- http://parentsforhelmets.org.uk/)
For last year's event see:
http://helmetlaw.org.uk/launch.html

The 'crusading' mum in the latest BBC article is linked to 'CycleSafe
SouthWest' which has been trying to sign up National Standard Cycling
Instructors to its cause.
They make a Big Thing of promoting helmets with the stories of 'Harry
Landymore' and 'Troy Parker'.

http://www.cyclesafe.plus.com/reallife.htm

Of course - Troy is the lad who died because his brakes weren't working
but of course a hemet would have saved him. I suspect his Mum Carlie
Annetts will soon be appearing in all my local papers again :-(
velotree.co.ukwhat'smissing.htmlOpen ↗

Here we go again :-((

John B

Quoted message said:

If the mother had thought that wearing a helmet was a good idea why
did she not insist that he wore one.

She's probably been told since that, in her words:

"if a child is involved in an accident with a car, then there is going to
be consequences but wearing a helmet **will** protect your head." (my
emphasis).

Also, when people know I cycle a lot they ask if I wear a helmet. I
imagine that after the accident all she heard was "was he wearing a
helmet?"

Her son fractured his skull and had a blood clot on his brain, but AFAICT
from webby stuff he's fine now.

Tom said:

Quoted message said:

On the plus side, one of the "related internet links" on the page is
www.cyclehelmets.org

Bad form to reply to my own message but I just noticed that on the same page
is a link to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_the_doctor/bicyclehelmets.shtml which has a
doctor rolling out the old "wearing a helmet reduces the risk of head injury
by 63 per cent and the risk of losing consciousness by 86 per cent" line.

Though the OP also links to a Bath University report "Wearing helmets 'more
dangerous'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/5334208.stm

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Stephen Patterson said:

Tom said:

Quoted message said:

On the plus side, one of the "related internet links" on the page is
www.cyclehelmets.org

Bad form to reply to my own message but I just noticed that on the same page
is a link to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_the_doctor/bicyclehelmets.shtml which has a
doctor rolling out the old "wearing a helmet reduces the risk of head injury
by 63 per cent and the risk of losing consciousness by 86 per cent" line.

Though the OP also links to a Bath University report "Wearing helmets 'more
dangerous'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/5334208.stm

And links to cyclehelmets.org but not to BHIT.

...d

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:19:18 +0100 someone who may be "Tom"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Bad form to reply to my own message but I just noticed that on the same page
is a link to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_the_doctor/bicyclehelmets.shtml which has a
doctor rolling out the old "wearing a helmet reduces the risk of head injury
by 63 per cent and the risk of losing consciousness by 86 per cent" line.

Thanks for pointing this out. There is a "contact us" link at the
bottom left of the menu bar, which one can use to ask the source of
this assertion.

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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:15:06 +0100, "Tom" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

A mother fights for law on helmets

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6054340.stm

If they're gonna pass any kind of helmet law, why not legislate a decent bike
helmet standards like Snell B-95A and B-95C instead of the marshmallow-like
Europe-wide EN1078.

Tom wrote on 16/10/2006 10:15 +0100:

Quoted message said:

A mother fights for law on helmets

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6054340.stm

On the plus side, one of the "related internet links" on the page is
www.cyclehelmets.org

Tom

Do we know where this meeting is in Westminster. Perhaps we could
organise a cyclist's welcoming committee for BsHIT.

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Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

David Martin said:

And links to cyclehelmets.org but not to BHIT.

..d

First hit on Google for the term "cycle helmets"
Journalist is using Google to do his/her research.

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Marc Brett said:

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:15:06 +0100, "Tom" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

A mother fights for law on helmets

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6054340.stm

If they're gonna pass any kind of helmet law, why not legislate a decent bike
helmet standards like Snell B-95A and B-95C instead of the marshmallow-like
Europe-wide EN1078.

Apparently there's not enough demand for helmets that actually provide
decent protection.

Dave said:

If the mother had thought that wearing a helmet was a good idea why did she
not insist that he wore one.

and take some sort of responsibility for her child's safety? She probably
doesn't realise its her job to do things like that.
--
Chris Johns

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom said:

A mother fights for law on helmets

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6054340.stm

Aaargh! That's "my" local MP backing it:-(

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Nick Kew said:

Quoted message said:

A mother fights for law on helmets

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6054340.stm

Aaargh! That's "my" local MP backing it:-(

Time for a letter then? or an email?
[email hidden]

Tom
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Tom said:

Nick Kew said:

Quoted message said:

A mother fights for law on helmets

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6054340.stm

Aaargh! That's "my" local MP backing it:-(

Time for a letter then? or an email?
[email hidden]

Heh. The man's a barrister. He's a professional advocate: his job is
to present a case, and to shoot down facts or reasoned arguments that
fail to support it, on whatever dirty trick or technicality comes to hand.

But there's no strong reason AFAIK[1] to suppose this reported support
amounts to any more than a few platitudes.

[1] which is to say, not at all, except in that it doesn't figure amongst
the causes he considers important enough to present on his website.

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Quoted message said:

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:19:18 +0100 someone who may be "Tom"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Bad form to reply to my own message but I just noticed that on the same
page
is a link to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_the_doctor/bicyclehelmets.shtml which has
a
doctor rolling out the old "wearing a helmet reduces the risk of head
injury
by 63 per cent and the risk of losing consciousness by 86 per cent" line.

Thanks for pointing this out. There is a "contact us" link at the
bottom left of the menu bar, which one can use to ask the source of
this assertion.

I tried for several weeks to get some response by using the "contact us"
link. May I wish anyone else who wants to try, great patience.

in message <[email hidden]>, Marc Brett

(') said:

Tom said:

A mother fights for law on helmets

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6054340.stm

If they're gonna pass any kind of helmet law, why not legislate a decent
bike helmet standards like Snell B-95A and B-95C instead of the
marshmallow-like Europe-wide EN1078.

Because they've been proved to do (slightly) more harm than good in
practice?

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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:25:43 GMT someone who may be "burt"
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thanks for pointing this out. There is a "contact us" link at the
bottom left of the menu bar, which one can use to ask the source of
this assertion.

I tried for several weeks to get some response by using the "contact us"
link. May I wish anyone else who wants to try, great patience.

I got a reply within 10 minutes.

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