Calling all Coker Muni riders...

Why not work on a lightweight road tire? I think you will sell more of
those, also because Kris Holm will be launching his geared hubs for
mountain unicycles in a short while, and 36ers will be unpractical
then.

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We need a strong and light rim!

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mscalisi said:

We only need one 36" rim, one that doesn't suck. A properly sized KH rim
(like the 29er only larger) would be awesome.

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What happened to the last re-design and improvements that Coker were
promising in this 'thread?'
(http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46390)

Is the new Coker unicycle going to be a copy of the 'Quax 36'
(http://tinyurl.com/6ajss) but with a coker tyre?

jim

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What I would like is a nice double walled aluminum rim that is a coker
sized (Not that crappy Airfoil). Back to topic, a mimic of either the
gazzolodi or the Durro would be best because these are the staple of
muni-tires

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Sorry to go off-topic so early, I'm a road rider (36"😉 and ride muni on
a 29er so I'm not sure if that counts. When I ride 29" I run this tire:
http://tinyurl.com/22ho6f I'd say it's a pretty good profile as you
have a lot of grip, also it's a very soft rubber. However, its a rear
mountainbiking tire, not designed for unicycling. If you're making a
shallow turn the thread on the sides wants to pull you into more of a
turn. So I would like to see some lower profile on the sides, a bit
more like trialsy tires. So a pretty round tire, not a square tire like
the Gazz as kerosian says. Also the gazz and wildlife are 3" wide, not
what you want on a coker at all! I'd go for lightweight, durable and
the kenda V shape in the middle, and a more square knobble on the
sides.

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knobs and knob patterns mean much less to unicyclers than bikers, as we
have much more body weight control to help with traction that bikers
don't have. (not to mention that bike tread patterns are designed
around far higher RPM's than unicyclists pedal)

as someone who has extensive coker muni/mud experience, 'any' knobs
would work, tread pattern is meaningless

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Personally I say go with the lightweight road tire. I would love to have
one of these. From what I have gathered, talking to people here, and
else where is that most of us coker riders do mostly distance on smooth
roads, or at least packed gravel.

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I agree with Brian that the tread pattern is not super important on a
large wheeled unicycle. I ride my Wheel TA tire offroad, and its width
and large diameter handle anything that I'm courageous enough to try.

While we're on the topic of 36" tires, I would like to see a lighter,
higher performance tire and rim. Maybe a tubeless tire configuration
could accomplish this, or maybe not. Whatever it takes, I think the
quickest way to revolutionize the 36" experience is to develop a wheel
with a lighter rolling weight.

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For big-wheel MUni, you don't need a seriously knobby tire; you just
need something that will bite a little bit when the surface is loose.
The stock Coker tire is actually not bad in that regard, but it would
be nice to have something a little knobbier.

You definitely don't want the knobs to interfere much with road or fire
road performance, since that's most of what will be done on the Coker
anyway. The Kenda Klaw that's coming on the KH29" is probably a decent
compromise, although I'd probably prefer something with slightly
smaller knobs. You definitely want the overall profile to be rounded.

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man, I love how the unicyclist community is. direct contact with
manufacturers.

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Hi Kendall,

I think it's a cool idea. It'd be really nice to see something like
this happen.

Have you spoken to the guy on these forums who was talking about
popularising 36er mountain bicycles? He was the guy who first took the
motorcycle tread cutting tool to the TA tyre.

Cheers,
Mark

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kkaylor said:

Kendall here at Coker Tire/Coker Cycles. We wanted to let you all know
that we're giving serious consideration to a knobby tire for you Muni
36ers. Our question to you is what tread design would be preferable for
off-road Cokering? Send us your tread pattern photos, drawings and
cocktail napkin scribbles as generic JPEGs to [email hidden] or
simply post them here. Be sure to join our mailing list at
cokercycles.com. Updates about the great new products we'll be
unveiling later this summer will be forthcoming. Thanks for your
continued support.

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For those interested in actually contributing to the offroad Coker
tires, please note that they want you to send your JPEGS to the email
address indicated in the first post. The guy may or may not be checking
back on this thread.

Unfortunately at this point the rest of the unicycle is probably all
designed, and they're getting it manufactured. We hope. This will
hopefully be an alternate tire, to go along with the original Cokers? A
lightweight one would be nice as well. They may wear out faster, but
they should perform much better because those tires are heavy!

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The dune uni. No one has one. So, no one cares.😕
Then the lightweight 4x 36 duni was invented, by KH, after prophetic
Coker tire company 😎 reads my post😄 and makes the 4x36 light duni
tire.
What the world needs now is a duni. Unisk8ter will gear one up 3.4/1
and the land speed duni record will be so cool.
Crashing seems a bit more endemic to unis then other wheeled sports.
I was once a noted motorcycle crasher, and sand was the most fun crash
by far. With a bit of practice, crashing a uni on a sandy downhill at
35 + mph should be a breeze.😉
I think it would be so fun to be able to ride a 36 in the sand.😄

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Brian MacKenzie said:

knobs and knob patterns mean much less to unicyclers than bikers, as we
have much more body weight control to help with traction that bikers
don't have. (not to mention that bike tread patterns are designed
around far higher RPM's than unicyclists pedal)

as someone who has extensive coker muni/mud experience, 'any' knobs
would work, tread pattern is meaningless

DITTO!!!!!
Just knobs!!!

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Thanks to all who responded here as well as those who have emailed. We
value your input. In regard to the road tire comments, I have spoken to
Mr. Coker just this morning and he's agreed to consider it. As for the
new rim, I can't say much right now, but can say that help is on the
way. Hang in there for just a little bit longer.

Kendall
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I just wanted to quote myself from the other coker thread in order it be
seen in this thread.

Brian MacKenzie said:

I know what you mean, they will have to get 'everything' right or people
will be complaining about personal preference type things.

It will need to be the best combination of lightweight, strength,
durability, and comfort, and adjustability. This could be a tall,
order to nail everything.

Kris Holm upgrades his unicycles every year, each time offering
signifigant upgrade that are determined to be needed after another year
in service listening to the riders.

Unlike KH unicycles, the Coker is much more robust in what you can use
it for. Coker will be releasing one new model. This model is going to
be picked up by a number of people who want it for road riding. This
model is also going to be used by people who want to abuse it in the
woods, drops, riding up stairs, etc...

Dare I say out loud that if Coker wanted to do it right, they would
introduce TWO new Coker models? Perhaps they could outsource their
wheelbuilds on the MUni version to Dave Stockton for his Strongest
Coker Wheel In The World Wheelbuilding service.

I would happily buy two Cokers, one of each kind.

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For off-road 36":

Round cross-section for turning ease, not a sharp edged square
cross-section like the Gazz...

Front tire knob pattern, medium-to-wide spacing between knobs for snow
and mud shedding.

Knobs approximately 2-2.5 times the height of the current Coker tire.
Beveled knobs will help with turning, but they should be beveled
equally in all directions, not asymmetrically like a bike rear tire.
We brake and climb with the same tire, so we are applying torque in
both directions, and thus need symmetry. Bevels will also increase the
life of the tread/tire significantly.

Stiffer sidewalls than most, because we turn more sharply and hop
sideways up inclines (yes on 36"😉. We have to have lower pressure, say
20-30 psi, so we need stiff sidewalls to help that occur. The current
29er bicycle tires, most of them, require higher pressures to maintain
profile and that screws up the ground interface, and bump absorption,
and general traction.

The feedback I've gotten and seen says that the TA stinks off-road, as
one would expect. I haven't ridden one.

If you took the current Coker tire that we use, if you:

-- extended the knobs further up the sidewall for better traction on
turns and sidehopping
-- made the knobs taller and bevelled them some (perhaps spreading
them further apart),
-- softened up the rubber some for better traction,
-- manipulated the cords for a slightly softer feel and lighter weight
while maintaining a stiff sidewall
-- eliminated the manufacturing and/or shipping conditions that result
in kinks in the bead from time to time

you'd have a really good first go at a good 36" off-road tire.

IMHO.

I've ridden the current design off-road in snow and ice, and it
actually did really well. This was lowering the pressure to where the
sidewall was bulging significantly.

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U-Turn said:

For off-road 36":

Round cross-section for turning ease, not a sharp edged square
cross-section like the Gazz...

I disagree wholeheartedly. One of the reasons the Gazz works so well
off-road is it's square profile. Compared to the rounder Duro, it
gives better grip/traction around corners. At high speeds (like on my
bike), I'm terrified of riding round profile tyres.

U-Turn said:

The feedback I've gotten and seen says that the TA stinks off-road, as
one would expect. I haven't ridden one.

It seems to work fine for me on gravel or dry singletrack. I think it
may have less traction than the Coker tyre if it was
muddy/wet/slippery, but I haven't ridden it in such conditions.
Overall though, I don't think there's a lot in it.

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