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  1. Several questions are looking for answerers. Here they are:

    1. Has anyone done any cross country rides?
    2. If so would you be willing to share your experience?
    3. How far can a person ride each day starting from northern
    CA, then through NV, AZ and NM each day?
    4. Is 150-250 miles pushing it (under the right conditions)
    if no travel gear is being carried? A supply car would
    take care of that.
    5. What kind of training would be recommended for a ride
    like that?

    This would be a solo trip with a friend who would be in the
    area with the gear but would not be riding. It's just me
    with supplies a phone call away (outside of the usual
    things.) With eight days, possibly more if this trip takes
    form to ride my heart out. Originally I was going to
    participate in a 430 mile group ride across NV but have
    decided against it. I believe that more ground can be
    covered at less of a cost doing it to achieve my own goals.
    The trip would be at the end of September.

    Current training consist of daily 20 miles stretches
    at a quick pace - approaching max heart rate as often
    as possible.

    During the weekends its 100 miles on Saturday and then again
    on Sunday trying to maintain a quick pace.

    I'm no Lance and have no dream of grandeur. However, I love
    to ride and spend almost all my free time cycling. Those of
    you who know any good sites please let me know. Your help is
    much appreciated in this potential endeavor.

    Anonymous

  2. "Grayfox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Several questions are looking for answerers. Here
    they are:

    1. Has anyone done any cross country rides?
    2. If so would you be willing to share your experience?

    I haven't, but there are many links to logs of such tours
    here: mikebentley.comtouring.htm You can
    also find a lot of these people on the touring e-mail list
    phred.orgtouring

    Quoted message said:

    3. How far can a person ride each day starting from
    northern CA, then through NV, AZ and NM each day?
    4. Is 150-250 miles pushing it (under the right
    conditions) if no travel gear is being carried? A
    supply car would take care of that.

    The FastAmerica rides cross the US (I believe from LA to
    Boston) cross in a month, with one day of rest in Topeka.
    They still aren't averaging 200 a day. Some people who've
    done this ride have written up logs. One of them mentions
    the tour director's advice that you should be able to do a
    century at 16 mph and a double century (200 miles) in 14
    hours to feel you are in good enough shape for this ride.

    Here's a link for Lon Haldeman's tour group, which does
    transcontinental tours and runs training camps.
    pactour.compactour.com Their southern tour across the U.S.:
    2,974 miles 25 days 119 miles per day 84,250 feet of
    climbing Lon Haldeman is probably on the very fit fringe of
    the touring business (RAAM really doesn't count as a
    "tour"!), so averaging 150-250 sounds much too high. I know
    I couldn't do it, but then there are lots of things I can't
    do that others can.

    Quoted message said:

    5. What kind of training would be recommended for a ride
    like that?

    This would be a solo trip with a friend who would be in
    the area with the gear but would not be riding. It's just
    me with supplies a phone call away (outside of the usual
    things.) With eight days, possibly more if this trip takes
    form to ride my heart out. Originally I was going to
    participate in


    a

    Quoted message said:

    430 mile group ride across NV but have decided against it.
    I believe that more ground can be covered at less of a
    cost doing it to achieve my own goals. The trip would be
    at the end of September.

    Current training consist of daily 20 miles stretches at a
    quick pace - approaching max heart rate as often as
    possible.

    During the weekends its 100 miles on Saturday and then
    again on Sunday trying to maintain a quick pace.

    I'm no Lance and have no dream of grandeur. However, I
    love to ride and spend almost all my free time cycling.
    Those of you who know any good


    sites

    Quoted message said:

    please let me know. Your help is much appreciated in this
    potential endeavor.

    Anonymous

  3. Excellent news. Thanks for all the tips! Cheers.

    "Mike Kruger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Grayfox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Several questions are looking for answerers. Here
    they are:

    1. Has anyone done any cross country rides?
    2. If so would you be willing to share your experience?

    I haven't, but there are many links to logs of such tours
    here: mikebentley.comtouring.htm You can
    also find a lot of these people on the touring e-mail list
    phred.orgtouring

    Quoted message said:

    3. How far can a person ride each day starting from
    northern CA, then through NV, AZ and NM each day?
    4. Is 150-250 miles pushing it (under the right
    conditions) if no travel gear is being carried? A
    supply car would take care of that.

    The FastAmerica rides cross the US (I believe from LA to
    Boston) cross in a month, with one day of rest in Topeka.
    They still aren't averaging 200 a day. Some people who've
    done this ride have written up logs. One of them mentions
    the tour director's advice that you should be able to do a
    century at 16 mph and a double century (200 miles) in 14
    hours to feel you are in good enough shape for this ride.

    Here's a link for Lon Haldeman's tour group, which does
    transcontinental tours and runs training camps.
    pactour.compactour.com Their southern tour across the
    U.S.: 2,974 miles 25 days 119 miles per day 84,250 feet of
    climbing Lon Haldeman is probably on the very fit fringe
    of the touring business (RAAM really doesn't count as a
    "tour"!), so averaging 150-250 sounds much too high. I
    know I couldn't do it, but then there are lots of things I
    can't do that others can.

    Quoted message said:

    5. What kind of training would be recommended for a ride
    like that?

    This would be a solo trip with a friend who would be in
    the area with the gear but would not be riding. It's just
    me with supplies a phone call away (outside of the usual
    things.) With eight days, possibly more if this trip
    takes form to ride my heart out. Originally I was going
    to participate in


    a

    Quoted message said:

    430 mile group ride across NV but have decided against
    it. I believe that more ground can be covered at less of
    a cost doing it to achieve my own goals. The trip would
    be at the end of September.

    Current training consist of daily 20 miles stretches at a
    quick pace - approaching max heart rate as often as
    possible.

    During the weekends its 100 miles on Saturday and then
    again on Sunday trying to maintain a quick pace.

    I'm no Lance and have no dream of grandeur. However, I
    love to ride and spend almost all my free time cycling.
    Those of you who know any good


    sites

    Quoted message said:

    please let me know. Your help is much appreciated in this
    potential endeavor.

    Anonymous


  4. Grayfox said:

    3. How far can a person ride each day starting from
    northern CA, then through NV, AZ and NM each day?

    it depends on what kind of shape you're in, but in that
    heat, most normal people would consider anything over 60
    miles a day a very long day. any longer, and your body will
    need longer recovery time and rest days.

    Quoted message said:

    4. Is 150-250 miles pushing it (under the right
    conditions) if no travel gear is being carried? A
    supply car would take care of that.

    even the pros in the tour de france rarely ride more than
    200 miles in a day. unless you're at their level of fitness,
    you have no chance of doing that for more than a day or two.

    Quoted message said:

    Current training consist of daily 20 miles stretches at a
    quick pace - approaching max heart rate as often as
    possible.


    you're training for the wrong thing. you want endurance, not
    speed. speed uses fast twitch muscles, endurance uses slow
    twitch muscles, where you gear down and spin up. you can
    ride at 90-100 rpm all day if you use lower gears.

    Quoted message said:

    During the weekends its 100 miles on Saturday and then
    again on Sunday trying to maintain a quick pace.


    you also need to give yourself some rest days. why are you
    punishing yourself like this? the goal should be to enjoy
    the ride, not to move as fast as possible.

  5. Thanks for the info Dennis.

    With regards to your comments:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    4. Is 150-250 miles pushing it (under the right
    conditions) if no travel gear is being carried? A
    supply car would take care of that.

    even the pros in the tour de france rarely ride more than
    200 miles in a day. unless you're at their level of
    fitness, you have no chance of doing that for more than a
    day or two.

    The Pros ride hard and fast while competing against other
    ultra talented riders. I would be starting in the morning
    and simply riding all day until it would be time to setup
    camp. I can do 100 miles in about 4.5 hours, there's at
    least 12 hours of riding time in a day that puts me at 200
    miles in 12-14 hours. This assumes minimum assents and head
    winds less then 10 mph. With a tailwind a double should not
    be a major problem on flat dessert terrain. 250 is
    unrealistic as people have pointed out.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Current training consist of daily 20 miles stretches at a
    quick pace - approaching max heart rate as often as
    possible.


    you're training for the wrong thing. you want endurance,
    not speed. speed uses fast twitch muscles, endurance uses
    slow twitch muscles, where you gear down and spin up. you
    can ride at 90-100 rpm all day if you use lower gears.

    Endurance is something I inherited and naturally comes easy
    to me. Those who know my style of riding often refer to me
    as the Forest Gump of cycling. However, I do become fatigued
    easy when sprinting. Gulping air and watching my heart rate
    soar. I'm a hearty rider 6.0 at 175lbs with thick legs not
    the small 90lbs rider you might be thinking of. This is why
    I train hard over short distances during the week. Racing
    other riders often leaves me in the back of the group since
    I am easily out matched over short 20 mile circuit races.
    However, the longer the ride the strong advantage I have. I
    hope to strengthen this area although as you mentioned its
    slow twitch muscles that need the most attention.

    As for riding gears I typically try to maintain speeds of
    16-19 mph with a head wind, 20-24 mph in calm weather, and
    23-31 with a tailwind. Strong tailwinds server only to load
    me with endorphins so heaven only know how's fast I'm going.

    Quoted message said:

    you also need to give yourself some rest days. why are you
    punishing yourself like this? the goal should be to enjoy
    the ride, not to move as fast as possible.

    Rest days is something I've not really taken into
    consideration at this point. I figure I'll do what I can
    until I cant go anymore. Then just ride slow until I recover
    since I have no other alternative. Its either ride or site
    on the side of the road and count cars and get bitten bye
    ants. Pushing myself. No that would be incorrect. I love to
    ride. Its that's simple. I ride a beautiful route where many
    of the other locals know me and give me a friendly wave and
    toot of the horn as they pass. Being cooped up in an office
    all day servers to build up my eagerness to get into the
    fresh air and ride. I consider my century ride to be purely
    enjoyment. Their is nothing stressing about them. The
    century rides are much easer then the weekly rides from
    where I'm sitting.

    As for the scenery out west, I've spent over 14 months
    living on the road over the last 12 years while doing a 6
    months sprint as a HooBo with nothing more then a car.
    I'm not all that intrested in the "scenery" been their
    done that.

    Thanks again!

    "Dennis P. Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:15:57 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc,

    Grayfox said:

    3. How far can a person ride each day starting from
    northern CA, then through NV, AZ and NM each day?

    it depends on what kind of shape you're in, but in that
    heat, most normal people would consider anything over 60
    miles a day a very long day. any longer, and your body
    will need longer recovery time and rest days.

    Quoted message said:

    4. Is 150-250 miles pushing it (under the right
    conditions) if no travel gear is being carried? A
    supply car would take care of that.

    even the pros in the tour de france rarely ride more than
    200 miles in a day. unless you're at their level of
    fitness, you have no chance of doing that for more than a
    day or two.

    Quoted message said:

    Current training consist of daily 20 miles stretches at a
    quick pace - approaching max heart rate as often as
    possible.


    you're training for the wrong thing. you want endurance,
    not speed. speed uses fast twitch muscles, endurance uses
    slow twitch muscles, where you gear down and spin up. you
    can ride at 90-100 rpm all day if you use lower gears.

    Quoted message said:

    During the weekends its 100 miles on Saturday and then
    again on Sunday trying to maintain a quick pace.


    you also need to give yourself some rest days. why are you
    punishing yourself like this? the goal should be to enjoy
    the ride, not to move as fast as possible.

  6. Grayfox said:

    Thanks for the info Dennis.

    With regards to your comments:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    4. Is 150-250 miles pushing it (under the right
    conditions) if no travel gear is being carried? A
    supply car would take care of that.

    even the pros in the tour de france rarely ride more than
    200 miles in a day. unless you're at their level of
    fitness, you have no chance of doing that for more than a
    day or two.

    The Pros ride hard and fast while competing against other
    ultra talented riders. I would be starting in the morning
    and simply riding all day until it would be time to setup
    camp. I can do 100 miles in about 4.5 hours, there's at
    least 12 hours of riding time in a day that puts me at 200
    miles in 12-14 hours. This assumes minimum assents and
    head winds less then 10 mph. With a tailwind a double
    should not be a major problem on flat dessert terrain. 250
    is unrealistic as people have pointed out.

    200 miles per day is unrealistic for almost anyone. I've
    known some very, very tough riders. But if they could do,
    say, three consecutive 200 mile days, I'm not aware of it.

    A person's body needs recovery time.

    Now it may be that you're out on the far, far edge of some
    bell curve. If that's the case, you're so unusual that
    there's no point asking our advice.

    In any case - good luck out there.

    --
    --------------------+ Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove
    rodent and vegetable dot com, replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

  7. Frank Krygowski said:

    200 miles per day is unrealistic for almost anyone. I've
    known some very, very tough riders. But if they could do,
    say, three consecutive 200 mile days, I'm not aware of it.

    A person's body needs recovery time.

    They did about 1400 miles in 6 stages in the first Tour de
    France, but over 19 days. I can't find a timetable for it,
    though, so I'm not sure how the rest days were scheduled.

    homepage.ntlworld.com1903.htm

    --
    Keith Willoughby flat222.orgkeith "Treason doth
    never prosper"

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