cages vs clip ons

In article <[email hidden]>,

sg said:

I have a Trek 7500 and have recently joined a local bike
club. We typically go on 30 mile road rides. The Trek has
large cages. If these are moderately tight to get good up
motion do

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^^

You really don't want to pull up; it's unnecessary strain,
and can lead to some nasty damage and loss of control. If
you're into spinning, there's an effect I like to call
'flywheeling' -- where
it /feels/ as though there's a constant, steady tension on
the drivetrain as though the crankset was a spinning
flywheel, and there's a steady balance between the
forward thrust of the rear wheel and coastable forward
momentum, even on upgrades.

It doesn't involve pulling-up.

It's a smoothness in both twirling the cranks around,
balancing the weight on the wheels on grades, and moving
inexorably, steadily and comfortably forward. I don't know
if I'm explaining this correctly or if I'm sounding tritely
officious, but the approach I use really does conserve a lot
of glycogen for me, for /really/ attacking the occasional
hump or hill. Anyhow, instead of pulling up, I recommend
just trying thinking 'flywheel', and seeing how it works for
you. Even if it means shifting to a lower gear. I pass a lot
of riders on upgrades that way.

Quoted message said:

I gain much from clip on pedals?

The main difference between toe-clip-equipped pedals and
clipless pedals is getting in & out of them. On the fly,
they both provide the same benefits.

And if I did change the pedals

Quoted message said:

what are some of the recommended types (and shoes) for my
kind of riding?

Now you're talking. The stiffer the shoe soles, the better
the power transfer from legs to cranks. The real Shimano SPD
mountain-bike shoes are mostly a good compromise between
walkability (not too stiff-soled) and cyclability (stiff-
soled enough). Some other mfgs like Sidi make SPD-compatible
'commuting' shoes with roughly the same compromise, and I
think that might be something for you to look into. A lot of
Sidi shoes are pretty narrow, though. Wide EEE feet like
mine have faired pretty good with Shimano shoes, which are
easily up to doing 30-milers -- in clips-&-straps, or
clipless pedals.

good ride, Tom

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Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:39:24 -0700, <[email hidden]>,

(Tom Keats) said:

The real Shimano SPD mountain-bike shoes are mostly a good
compromise between walkability (not too stiff-soled) and
cyclability (stiff-soled enough).

Okay except they're brown or green.

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC. All black, it
looked something I'd wear. But, it wasn't made to take
cleats. Cripes!
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Zoot Katz said:

Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:39:24 -0700,
<[email hidden]>, [email hidden]

(Tom Keats) said:

The real Shimano SPD mountain-bike shoes are mostly a
good compromise between walkability (not too stiff-soled)
and cyclability (stiff-soled enough).

Okay except they're brown or green.

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC. All black, it
looked something I'd wear. But, it wasn't made to take
cleats. Cripes!

I think SPD pedals are now cheaper than buying new cleats.
Have you considered converting?

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Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:47:33 -0700,
<[email hidden]>, Ryan Cousineau

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC. All black, it
looked something I'd wear. But, it wasn't made to take
cleats. Cripes!

I think SPD pedals are now cheaper than buying new cleats.
Have you considered converting?

One of us! One of us!

I've got clipless pedals. I not got any shoes that take SPD
cleats that I feel comfortable wearing for general use. . .
like walking.
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zk

Quoted message said:

I have a Trek 7500 and have recently joined a local bike
club. We typically go on 30 mile road rides. The Trek has
large cages. If these are moderately tight to get good up
motion do I gain much from clip on pedals? And if I did
change the pedals what are some of the recommended types
(and shoes) for my kind of riding?

Now I've changed to clipless pedals I won't willingly go
back to platform pedals with or without toeclips.

When I used platform pedals with or without toeclips, I
*always* had pains in my knees. Got it from pushing on
the pedals.

Changed to clipless and voila! Instant relief for knackered
knees! Clipless are more efficent, you dont't have to push
so hard as some of the work is also done on the upstroke
part of the pedal action. Plus they keep your feet in the
correct position for effective pedalling much better.

I use the Look system and I am more that happy. There are
several systems available.. Look, Time, spds, ATAC... I use
Look by default in that I was given a pair of Look shoes
with cleats for free. I have no problems with it.

Cheers, helen s

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Zoot Katz said:

Okay except they're brown or green.

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC. All black, it
looked something I'd wear. But, it wasn't made to take
cleats. Cripes!

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD
sandals?
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Rick Onanian

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:34:57 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Zoot Katz said:

Okay except they're brown or green.

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC. All black, it
looked something I'd wear. But, it wasn't made to take
cleats. Cripes!

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than
SPD sandals?

Because I don't wear sandals to church.

-Luigi

In article <[email hidden]>,
Luigi de Guzman <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD
sandals?

Because I don't wear sandals to church.

-Luigi

Why not?

That guy up there on the cross did...

HAND if the sun ever shine.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Zoot Katz said:

Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:39:24 -0700,
<[email hidden]>, [email hidden]

(Tom Keats) said:

The real Shimano SPD mountain-bike shoes are mostly a good
compromise between walkability (not too stiff-soled) and
cyclability (stiff-soled enough).

Okay except they're brown or green.

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC.

Which reminds me, once again I didn't get their latest
catalogue in the post. I think my next door neighbour has
been stealing it from the mailbox. Oh well, I'll just ride
down there and pick one up at the kiosk. Again.

Quoted message said:

All black, it looked something I'd wear. But, it wasn't
made to take cleats. Cripes!

If I was rich, I might be interested in commissioning Dayton
to custom-make a few pairs of touring shoes. And then it
might be amusing to go into a "No Daytons Allowed" pub.

good ride, Tom

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Rick Onanian said:

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD
sandals?

i thought it got cold and wet in rhode island. or did you
just slip up and reveal its actually an idyllic paradise?
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On 26 Apr 2004 16:41:07 GMT, David Reuteler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rick Onanian said:

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD
sandals?

i thought it got cold and wet in rhode island. or did you
just slip up and reveal its actually an idyllic paradise?

When it's cold and wet, the last thing I want is cold,
soaked shoes. My feet dry quickly in sandals.

It's gotta be very cold before sandals are sub-optimum.
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Rick Onanian

Rick Onanian said:

When it's cold and wet, the last thing I want is cold,
soaked shoes. My feet dry quickly in sandals.

It's gotta be very cold before sandals are sub-optimum.

work with me rick. i'm a native minnesotan. how cold is
cold?
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Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:34:57 -0400,
<[email hidden]>, Rick Onanian

Quoted message said:

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than
SPD sandals?

I don't wear sandals. I hated them as a kid and still don't
like them.
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zk

On 26 Apr 2004 17:22:49 GMT, David Reuteler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rick Onanian said:

When it's cold and wet, the last thing I want is cold,
soaked shoes. My feet dry quickly in sandals.

It's gotta be very cold before sandals are sub-optimum.

work with me rick. i'm a native minnesotan. how cold is
cold?

Okay, in a momentary lapse of judgement, I forgot where you
live. I completely abandon sandals for closed shoes below
0°F. It's a bit iffy between there and 20°F, depending on
circumstances.

I wear sandals down to 20°F; then I wear sandals with socks.
As the weather approaches (and dips below) 0°F, I have a
pair of sneakers made mostly of mesh, through which daylight
can be seen. I've got to be outside all day, without any
break, in that kind of weather to need more than that.

For biking, with the extra wind chill, I do add socks to my
sandals up to 40°F. Above 40...just plain sandals.

However, if it's _wet_ and below freezing, it does nearly
become worth wearing some well-sealed shoes; definitely when
very wet and below 20°F. The trouble with such is how hot
and sweaty they get inside. So, I even wear sandals in that
weather if I don't expect to be outside for long.

Granted, I don't ride in that weather (wouldn't be fun
for _me_).
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Rick Onanian

Rick Onanian said:

I wear sandals down to 20F; then I wear sandals with
socks.

yoooowwww .. you have toes left?
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Zoot Katz said:

Quoted message said:

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD
sandals?

I don't wear sandals. I hated them as a kid and still don't
like them.

I used to be the same way; turned out I hated flip-flops,
but found that sandals are great. My poor, sweaty feet
found relief, without the insecurity of a flip-flop falling
off or a "thong sandal" falling off AND hurting the spot
between my toes.
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Rick Onanian

On 26 Apr 2004 19:50:19 GMT, David Reuteler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rick Onanian said:

I wear sandals down to 20F; then I wear sandals
with socks.

yoooowwww .. you have toes left?

My feet run slightly warm (for abnormally extreme values of
"slight" and "warm"😉.

My sister compares me to Jesus.

People get cold just looking at me wearing sandals.

Doctors tell me I'm fine, and that I should just wear
sandals. :/
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Rick Onanian

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:59:20 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My sister compares me to Jesus.

Or does she just start the sentence, "Jeeeesus!"

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two wheels...

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Quoted message said:

Rick Onanian said:

Zoot Katz said:

Okay except they're brown or green.

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC. All black, it
looked something I'd wear. But, it wasn't made to take
cleats. Cripes!

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD
sandals?

Because I don't wear sandals to church.

I remember one time riding to services in bike clothes.
After I arrived, I threw on a tallit (prayer shawl). Gerda,
a member of our congregation, just a great spirit, a
holocaust survivor, took one look at me, and said, "that
proves it, a tallit can dress up anything".

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