cages vs clip ons

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sg said:

I have a Trek 7500 and have recently joined a local bike club.
We typically go on 30 mile road rides. The Trek has large
cages. If these are moderately tight to get good up motion do

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You really don't want to pull up; it's unnecessary strain, and can
lead to some nasty damage and loss of control. If you're into
spinning, there's an effect I like to call 'flywheeling' -- where
it /feels/ as though there's a constant, steady tension on the
drivetrain as though the crankset was a spinning flywheel, and
there's a steady balance between the forward thrust of the rear
wheel and coastable forward momentum, even on upgrades.

It doesn't involve pulling-up.

It's a smoothness in both twirling the cranks around,
balancing the weight on the wheels on grades, and
moving inexorably, steadily and comfortably forward.
I don't know if I'm explaining this correctly or if
I'm sounding tritely officious, but the approach I
use really does conserve a lot of glycogen for me, for
/really/ attacking the occasional hump or hill. Anyhow,
instead of pulling up, I recommend just trying thinking
'flywheel', and seeing how it works for you. Even if it
means shifting to a lower gear. I pass a lot of riders
on upgrades that way.

Quoted message said:

I gain much from clip on pedals?

The main difference between toe-clip-equipped pedals and
clipless pedals is getting in & out of them. On the fly,
they both provide the same benefits.

And if I did change the pedals

Quoted message said:

what are some of the recommended types (and shoes) for my kind of riding?

Now you're talking. The stiffer the shoe soles, the better
the power transfer from legs to cranks. The real Shimano
SPD mountain-bike shoes are mostly a good compromise between
walkability (not too stiff-soled) and cyclability (stiff-soled
enough). Some other mfgs like Sidi make SPD-compatible
'commuting' shoes with roughly the same compromise, and I
think that might be something for you to look into. A lot of
Sidi shoes are pretty narrow, though. Wide EEE feet like
mine have faired pretty good with Shimano shoes, which are
easily up to doing 30-milers -- in clips-&-straps, or clipless
pedals.

good ride,
Tom

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Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:39:24 -0700, <[email hidden]>,

(Tom Keats) said:

The real Shimano
SPD mountain-bike shoes are mostly a good compromise between
walkability (not too stiff-soled) and cyclability (stiff-soled
enough).

Okay except they're brown or green.

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC. All black, it looked
something I'd wear. But, it wasn't made to take cleats. Cripes!
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Zoot Katz said:

Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:39:24 -0700, <[email hidden]>,

(Tom Keats) said:

The real Shimano
SPD mountain-bike shoes are mostly a good compromise between
walkability (not too stiff-soled) and cyclability (stiff-soled
enough).

Okay except they're brown or green.

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC. All black, it looked
something I'd wear. But, it wasn't made to take cleats. Cripes!

I think SPD pedals are now cheaper than buying new cleats. Have you
considered converting?

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Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:47:33 -0700,
<[email hidden]>, Ryan Cousineau

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC. All black, it looked
something I'd wear. But, it wasn't made to take cleats. Cripes!

I think SPD pedals are now cheaper than buying new cleats. Have you
considered converting?

One of us! One of us!

I've got clipless pedals. I not got any shoes that take SPD cleats
that I feel comfortable wearing for general use. . . like walking.
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Quoted message said:

I have a Trek 7500 and have recently joined a local bike club.
We typically go on 30 mile road rides. The Trek has large
cages. If these are moderately tight to get good up motion do
I gain much from clip on pedals? And if I did change the pedals
what are some of the recommended types (and shoes) for my kind of riding?

Now I've changed to clipless pedals I won't willingly go back to platform
pedals with or without toeclips.

When I used platform pedals with or without toeclips, I *always* had pains in
my knees. Got it from pushing on the pedals.

Changed to clipless and voila! Instant relief for knackered knees! Clipless are
more efficent, you dont't have to push so hard as some of the work is also
done on the upstroke part of the pedal action. Plus they keep your feet in the
correct position for effective pedalling much better.

I use the Look system and I am more that happy. There are several systems
available.. Look, Time, spds, ATAC... I use Look by default in that I was given
a pair of Look shoes with cleats for free. I have no problems with it.

Cheers, helen s

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Zoot Katz said:

Okay except they're brown or green.

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC. All black, it looked
something I'd wear. But, it wasn't made to take cleats. Cripes!

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD sandals?
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:34:57 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Zoot Katz said:

Okay except they're brown or green.

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC. All black, it looked
something I'd wear. But, it wasn't made to take cleats. Cripes!

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD sandals?

Because I don't wear sandals to church.

-Luigi

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Luigi de Guzman <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD sandals?

Because I don't wear sandals to church.

-Luigi

Why not?

That guy up there on the cross did...

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Rick Onanian said:

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD sandals?

i thought it got cold and wet in rhode island. or did you just slip up
and reveal its actually an idyllic paradise?
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On 26 Apr 2004 16:41:07 GMT, David Reuteler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rick Onanian said:

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD sandals?

i thought it got cold and wet in rhode island. or did you just slip up
and reveal its actually an idyllic paradise?

When it's cold and wet, the last thing I want is cold, soaked shoes.
My feet dry quickly in sandals.

It's gotta be very cold before sandals are sub-optimum.
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Rick Onanian

Rick Onanian said:

When it's cold and wet, the last thing I want is cold, soaked shoes.
My feet dry quickly in sandals.

It's gotta be very cold before sandals are sub-optimum.

work with me rick. i'm a native minnesotan. how cold is cold?
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Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:34:57 -0400,
<[email hidden]>, Rick Onanian

Quoted message said:

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD sandals?

I don't wear sandals. I hated them as a kid and still don't like them.
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zk

On 26 Apr 2004 17:22:49 GMT, David Reuteler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rick Onanian said:

When it's cold and wet, the last thing I want is cold, soaked shoes.
My feet dry quickly in sandals.

It's gotta be very cold before sandals are sub-optimum.

work with me rick. i'm a native minnesotan. how cold is cold?

Okay, in a momentary lapse of judgement, I forgot where you live. I
completely abandon sandals for closed shoes below 0°F. It's a bit
iffy between there and 20°F, depending on circumstances.

I wear sandals down to 20°F; then I wear sandals with socks. As the
weather approaches (and dips below) 0°F, I have a pair of sneakers
made mostly of mesh, through which daylight can be seen. I've got to
be outside all day, without any break, in that kind of weather to
need more than that.

For biking, with the extra wind chill, I do add socks to my sandals
up to 40°F. Above 40...just plain sandals.

However, if it's _wet_ and below freezing, it does nearly become
worth wearing some well-sealed shoes; definitely when very wet and
below 20°F. The trouble with such is how hot and sweaty they get
inside. So, I even wear sandals in that weather if I don't expect to
be outside for long.

Granted, I don't ride in that weather (wouldn't be fun for _me_).
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Rick Onanian said:

I wear sandals down to 20F; then I wear sandals with socks.

yoooowwww .. you have toes left?
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On 26 Apr 2004 19:50:19 GMT, David Reuteler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rick Onanian said:

I wear sandals down to 20F; then I wear sandals with socks.

yoooowwww .. you have toes left?

My feet run slightly warm (for abnormally extreme values of "slight"
and "warm"😉.

My sister compares me to Jesus.

People get cold just looking at me wearing sandals.

Doctors tell me I'm fine, and that I should just wear sandals. :/
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Rick Onanian

Zoot Katz said:

Quoted message said:

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD sandals?

I don't wear sandals. I hated them as a kid and still don't like them.

I used to be the same way; turned out I hated flip-flops, but found
that sandals are great. My poor, sweaty feet found relief, without
the insecurity of a flip-flop falling off or a "thong sandal"
falling off AND hurting the spot between my toes.
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Rick Onanian

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:59:20 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My sister compares me to Jesus.

Or does she just start the sentence, "Jeeeesus!"

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:34:57 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Zoot Katz said:

Okay except they're brown or green.

Lake has a decent new cycling shoe at MEC. All black, it looked
something I'd wear. But, it wasn't made to take cleats. Cripes!

Why would you want to wear any footwear other than SPD sandals?

Because I don't wear sandals to church.

I remember one time riding to services in bike clothes. After I arrived, I
threw on a tallit (prayer shawl). Gerda, a member of our congregation, just
a great spirit, a holocaust survivor, took one look at me, and said, "that
proves it, a tallit can dress up anything".

Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
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Quoted message said:

On 26 Apr 2004 19:50:19 GMT, David Reuteler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rick Onanian said:

I wear sandals down to 20F; then I wear sandals with socks.

yoooowwww .. you have toes left?

My feet run slightly warm (for abnormally extreme values of "slight"
and "warm"😉.

My sister compares me to Jesus.

People get cold just looking at me wearing sandals.

Doctors tell me I'm fine, and that I should just wear sandals. :/

You probably have Innuit blood in you <GG>.

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