C'mon Froid, Man Up!

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(') said:

Quoted message said:

Froid Landis wrote:

[snip: drivel]

Quoted message said:

You are pathetic.  You say you want Floyd to come clean and name names.
And yet, behind your veil of anonymity, you cast dispersions on three
racers, two of whom have never tested positive, and say you can name
others.

Here's a suggestion:  Man up and come out of your momma's basement and
name names.

Starting with your own.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; It's dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
;; Voltaire RIP Dr David Kelly 1945-2004

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>,

(') said:

Quoted message said:

Froid Landis wrote:

[snip: drivel]

Quoted message said:

You are pathetic. You say you want Floyd to come clean and name names.
And yet, behind your veil of anonymity, you cast dispersions on three
racers, two of whom have never tested positive, and say you can name
others.

Here's a suggestion: Man up and come out of your momma's basement and
name names.

Starting with your own.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Simon,

As you know, lot's of folks post anonymously on this and other
newsgroups for any number of reasons. My reasons for assuming a
pseudonym are not relevant to the issue at hand. BTW, how do we know
your name is really Simon?

The issue I'm addressing is that a cowardly punk (whom I have every
reason to believe is in reality a slightly less than successful pro
racer who hasn't quite made it in the big times, not for lack of
opportunity but rather primarily for lack of sufficient talent, but who
he himself feels it's purely because he won't dope while others do)
hides behind numerous false identities and casts dispersions on other
pro cyclists and the sport in general.

This same person, and others, have said that the honorable thing for
Floyd Landis to do would be to confess and name names. This person has
stated in so many words that he knows of many who dope.

I'm calling him out. If he's a 1/4 of the man he'd like us to believe
he is (or his daddy would like us to believe he is, assuming my guess
about his identity is correct), then he'll come forward publicly and
tell us what HE knows. Otherwise, I'm suggesting that he shut up.

Fred

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

The issue I'm addressing is that a cowardly punk (whom I have every

^^^^

Quoted message said:

reason to believe is in reality a slightly less than successful pro

`Whom is' or `who is'?

Quoted message said:

racer who hasn't quite made it in the big times, not for lack of
opportunity but rather primarily for lack of sufficient talent, but who
he himself feels it's purely because he won't dope while others do)
hides behind numerous false identities and casts dispersions on other

^^^^^^^^^^^
aspersions

Quoted message said:

pro cyclists and the sport in general.

Do you make a characterization or have reliable evidence
for the true identity?

--
Michael Press

Quoted message said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>,

(') said:

> Froid Landis wrote:

[snip: drivel]

Quoted message said:

You are pathetic. You say you want Floyd to come clean and name names.
And yet, behind your veil of anonymity, you cast dispersions on three
racers, two of whom have never tested positive, and say you can name
others.

Here's a suggestion: Man up and come out of your momma's basement and
name names.

Starting with your own.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Simon,

As you know, lot's of folks post anonymously on this and other
newsgroups for any number of reasons. My reasons for assuming a
pseudonym are not relevant to the issue at hand. BTW, how do we know
your name is really Simon?

The issue I'm addressing is that a cowardly punk (whom I have every
reason to believe is in reality a slightly less than successful pro
racer who hasn't quite made it in the big times, not for lack of
opportunity but rather primarily for lack of sufficient talent, but who
he himself feels it's purely because he won't dope while others do)
hides behind numerous false identities and casts dispersions on other
pro cyclists and the sport in general.

This same person, and others, have said that the honorable thing for
Floyd Landis to do would be to confess and name names. This person has
stated in so many words that he knows of many who dope.

I'm calling him out. If he's a 1/4 of the man he'd like us to believe
he is (or his daddy would like us to believe he is, assuming my guess
about his identity is correct), then he'll come forward publicly and
tell us what HE knows. Otherwise, I'm suggesting that he shut up.

Fred

Why do you have a hard-on for this guy in particular? Maybe he's you.

Michael Press said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

The issue I'm addressing is that a cowardly punk (whom I have every

^^^^

Quoted message said:

reason to believe is in reality a slightly less than successful pro

`Whom is' or `who is'?

Quoted message said:

racer who hasn't quite made it in the big times, not for lack of
opportunity but rather primarily for lack of sufficient talent, but who
he himself feels it's purely because he won't dope while others do)
hides behind numerous false identities and casts dispersions on other

^^^^^^^^^^^
aspersions

Quoted message said:

pro cyclists and the sport in general.

Do you make a characterization or have reliable evidence
for the true identity?

--
Michael Press

Based on certain comments contained in a particular thread, I have
reason to believe I know who "dopedcyclist" is. If it is who I think
it is, then it's a textbook example of the "I could'a been a contendah"
mentality of so many failed pro/cat I cyclists who blame their
relatively meager successes on the belief that others dope.

Follow-up messages from the father of the fellow who I think is
"dopedcyclist" tend to confirm my hunch.

Subsequent messages from "Froid Landis", "Velo Reaper", et al... seem
to follow a very typical pattern which lead me to believe they may be
the same person. It's my gut feeling that "Froid" and "Dopedcyclist"
are the same. Certain comments from "Froid" could easily be from the
person I believe to be "dopedcyclist", as he makes references to events
or circumstances that I know clearly that "dopedcyclist" would know.

So, long story short, no... I don't know for sure. But, I have my
hunches. If it's who I think it is, he REALLY should either put up or
shut up. On second thought, if he "puts up", he'll never get another
chance at the D1 contract he wasted before.

in message <[email hidden]>,

(') said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>,

(') said:

> Froid Landis wrote:

[snip: drivel]

Quoted message said:

You are pathetic. You say you want Floyd to come clean and name
names. And yet, behind your veil of anonymity, you cast dispersions
on three racers, two of whom have never tested positive, and say you
can name others.

Here's a suggestion: Man up and come out of your momma's basement
and name names.

Starting with your own.

Simon,

As you know, lot's of folks post anonymously on this and other
newsgroups for any number of reasons. My reasons for assuming a
pseudonym are not relevant to the issue at hand. BTW, how do we know
your name is really Simon?

My name is really Simon. You'll even find my telephone number on the
front page of my cycling club's website. A quick google will get you
there.

Quoted message said:

I'm calling him out. If he's a 1/4 of the man he'd like us to believe
he is (or his daddy would like us to believe he is, assuming my guess
about his identity is correct), then he'll come forward publicly and
tell us what HE knows. Otherwise, I'm suggesting that he shut up.

Well, I was actually agreeing with you, but if you feel that the cap
fits...

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Do not sail on uphill water.
- Bill Lee

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Quoted message said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

> > Froid Landis wrote:

[snip: drivel]

> You are pathetic. You say you want Floyd to come clean and name names.
> And yet, behind your veil of anonymity, you cast dispersions on three
> racers, two of whom have never tested positive, and say you can name
> others.
>
> Here's a suggestion: Man up and come out of your momma's basement and
> name names.

Starting with your own.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Simon,

As you know, lot's of folks post anonymously on this and other
newsgroups for any number of reasons. My reasons for assuming a
pseudonym are not relevant to the issue at hand. BTW, how do we know
your name is really Simon?

The issue I'm addressing is that a cowardly punk (whom I have every
reason to believe is in reality a slightly less than successful pro
racer who hasn't quite made it in the big times, not for lack of
opportunity but rather primarily for lack of sufficient talent, but who
he himself feels it's purely because he won't dope while others do)
hides behind numerous false identities and casts dispersions on other
pro cyclists and the sport in general.

This same person, and others, have said that the honorable thing for
Floyd Landis to do would be to confess and name names. This person has
stated in so many words that he knows of many who dope.

I'm calling him out. If he's a 1/4 of the man he'd like us to believe
he is (or his daddy would like us to believe he is, assuming my guess
about his identity is correct), then he'll come forward publicly and
tell us what HE knows. Otherwise, I'm suggesting that he shut up.

Fred

Why do you have a hard-on for this guy in particular? Maybe he's you.

The only guy I know of who's assumed an alter-ego and subsequently had
arguments between himself and his alter-ego on RBR was Mr. Kunich (or
rather, it's been rumored that he did that).

Trust me, I'm not Froid or Dopedcyclist or Velo Reaper or Joe King, or
any of those guys. I've got a hard-on, so to speak, in that the veil
of anonymity is being hidden behind while making all manner of rash
accusations. If he/they know anything, they should speak up. That's
all.

Fred (if that's really my pseudonym)

Quoted message said:

Based on certain comments contained in a particular thread, I have
reason to believe I know who "dopedcyclist" is. If it is who I think
it is, then it's a textbook example of the "I could'a been a contendah"
mentality of so many failed pro/cat I cyclists who blame their
relatively meager successes on the belief that others dope.

Follow-up messages from the father of the fellow who I think is
"dopedcyclist" tend to confirm my hunch.

Subsequent messages from "Froid Landis", "Velo Reaper", et al... seem
to follow a very typical pattern which lead me to believe they may be
the same person. It's my gut feeling that "Froid" and "Dopedcyclist"
are the same. Certain comments from "Froid" could easily be from the
person I believe to be "dopedcyclist", as he makes references to events
or circumstances that I know clearly that "dopedcyclist" would know.

IIRC, most or all of these entities had the same IP
as "Crit Pro" (northern division). He, she or it has been
around for awhile. He, she or it may even have been
more than one person (I mean there might have been
more than one behind the pseudo-real "Crit Pro," apart
from the pseudo-fake "Crit Pro."😉 Speculation about
CP's identity did not point at the rider you are dancing
around naming. But frankly, it really doesn't matter
and I don't really care.

Quoted message said:

So, long story short, no... I don't know for sure. But, I have my
hunches. If it's who I think it is, he REALLY should either put up or
shut up. On second thought, if he "puts up", he'll never get another
chance at the D1 contract he wasted before.

Geez, and here you were talking about people who are
jealous of others' relative success.

Quoted message said:

Michael Press said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

The issue I'm addressing is that a cowardly punk (whom I have every

^^^^

Quoted message said:

reason to believe is in reality a slightly less than successful pro

`Whom is' or `who is'?

Quoted message said:

racer who hasn't quite made it in the big times, not for lack of
opportunity but rather primarily for lack of sufficient talent, but who
he himself feels it's purely because he won't dope while others do)
hides behind numerous false identities and casts dispersions on other

^^^^^^^^^^^
aspersions

Quoted message said:

pro cyclists and the sport in general.

Do you make a characterization or have reliable evidence
for the true identity?

--
Michael Press

Based on certain comments contained in a particular thread, I have
reason to believe I know who "dopedcyclist" is. If it is who I think
it is, then it's a textbook example of the "I could'a been a contendah"
mentality of so many failed pro/cat I cyclists who blame their
relatively meager successes on the belief that others dope.

Follow-up messages from the father of the fellow who I think is
"dopedcyclist" tend to confirm my hunch.

Subsequent messages from "Froid Landis", "Velo Reaper", et al... seem
to follow a very typical pattern which lead me to believe they may be
the same person. It's my gut feeling that "Froid" and "Dopedcyclist"
are the same. Certain comments from "Froid" could easily be from the
person I believe to be "dopedcyclist", as he makes references to events
or circumstances that I know clearly that "dopedcyclist" would know.

So, long story short, no... I don't know for sure. But, I have my
hunches. If it's who I think it is, he REALLY should either put up or
shut up. On second thought, if he "puts up", he'll never get another
chance at the D1 contract he wasted before.

Who cares?

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But frankly, it really doesn't matter and I don't really care.

The chief assistant stalker seems to be getting a bit jaded. Time to ask
the boss for some vacation time (that is if he can tear the boss away from
her other job long enough to ask).