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  1. i notice during my vigorous weight lifting program, that i always need to
    take extra breaks because my body needs more oxygen..breathing wise and
    all... I mean my muscles are ready and want more...but i cant continue
    because i need more oxygen to breathe... Is there anywhere i could buy those
    oxygen type things that ambulance services have? so i could use it while
    taking breaks...this would possibly speed up my program by an hour every
    night if i had the adequate amount of oxygen..

    any help would be great.

    thanks
    mike


  2. Quoted message said:

    Be a man and suck it up!

    lol..TRUST me my body wants to... its just that when ya cant breathe...ya
    cant breathe.. my brain gets all foggy and dizzy without the extra boost of
    oxygen..

    is anything like this available..does anyone know? i see football players
    using this type of thing sometimes after they run a 100 yards for a
    touchdown and stuff...dont know how easy they are to acquire here in the
    U.S. though.... and if u need a presciption for it or something...these days
    its like ya need a prescription for everything..for cryin out loud.

  3. On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:56:25 -0400, "mike"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

    Quoted message said:

    i notice during my vigorous weight lifting program, that i always need to
    take extra breaks because my body needs more oxygen..breathing wise and
    all... I mean my muscles are ready and want more...but i cant continue
    because i need more oxygen to breathe... Is there anywhere i could buy those
    oxygen type things that ambulance services have? so i could use it while
    taking breaks...this would possibly speed up my program by an hour every
    night if i had the adequate amount of oxygen..

    any help would be great.


    Be a man and suck it up!

  4. On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:11:33 -0400, "mike"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Be a man and suck it up!

    lol..TRUST me my body wants to... its just that when ya cant breathe...ya
    cant breathe.. my brain gets all foggy and dizzy without the extra boost of
    oxygen..

    Perhaps you have a medical condition. I've been doing high rep squats
    lately and I have to stop a few times to complete my last set because
    I need to get my air. So, I stop and take a few breaths and then
    continue.

    Quoted message said:


    is anything like this available..does anyone know? i see football players
    using this type of thing sometimes after they run a 100 yards for a
    touchdown and stuff...dont know how easy they are to acquire here in the
    U.S. though.... and if u need a presciption for it or something...these days
    its like ya need a prescription for everything..for cryin out loud.

  5. "mike" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    i notice during my vigorous weight lifting program, that i always need to
    take extra breaks because my body needs more oxygen..breathing wise and
    all... I mean my muscles are ready and want more...but i cant continue
    because i need more oxygen to breathe... Is there anywhere i could buy
    those oxygen type things that ambulance services have? so i could use it
    while taking breaks...this would possibly speed up my program by an hour
    every night if i had the adequate amount of oxygen..

    I won't work. You see football players doing it because of ignorant trainers
    and gullible oafs who have PLACEBO stamped on their foreheads.

    Your hemoglobin, which carries most of the oxygen in your blood, is already
    nearly 100% saturated with oxygen with room air's 21% oxygen. Breathing 100%
    oxygen will raise you from 99.9% saturated to 100% saturated. NOTHING!

    You WILL increase by many fold the amount of dissolved oxygen in the plasma
    of your blood, but this is such a tiny amount, compared to the hemoglobin
    bound, that it amounts to NOTHING.

    David

  6. "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I won't work. You see football players doing it because of ignorant
    trainers and gullible oafs who have PLACEBO stamped on their foreheads.

    Your hemoglobin, which carries most of the oxygen in your blood, is
    already nearly 100% saturated with oxygen with room air's 21% oxygen.
    Breathing 100% oxygen will raise you from 99.9% saturated to 100%
    saturated. NOTHING!

    You WILL increase by many fold the amount of dissolved oxygen in the
    plasma of your blood, but this is such a tiny amount, compared to the
    hemoglobin bound, that it amounts to NOTHING.

    David

    Interesting David... Is there an explanation then as to why we need to
    inhale more oxygen during strenous workouts/weight lifting? I need to take
    breaks sometimes as long as 30 minutes before continuing... I do have
    allergies and a minor case of asthma...but thats it...as far as i know.
    Heart doctor says my heart is fine... Im a big guy though... 6 foot 2 inches
    and 200 pounds...my heart prolly has to work alot harder because of my
    size...but i still dont think thats the reason why i need to take such long
    breaks to recover.. something i could never figure out...sometimes it has
    been pretty scary..to the point where i feel like i am just about to pass
    out..i get very dizzy and light headed..kinda frustrating too...because my
    muscles can handle alot more...and my lungs/brain (whatever) cannot.

  7. On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:44:44 -0400, "mike"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

    Quoted message said:


    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I won't work. You see football players doing it because of ignorant
    trainers and gullible oafs who have PLACEBO stamped on their foreheads.

    Your hemoglobin, which carries most of the oxygen in your blood, is
    already nearly 100% saturated with oxygen with room air's 21% oxygen.
    Breathing 100% oxygen will raise you from 99.9% saturated to 100%
    saturated. NOTHING!

    You WILL increase by many fold the amount of dissolved oxygen in the
    plasma of your blood, but this is such a tiny amount, compared to the
    hemoglobin bound, that it amounts to NOTHING.

    David

    Interesting David... Is there an explanation then as to why we need to
    inhale more oxygen during strenous workouts/weight lifting? I need to take
    breaks sometimes as long as 30 minutes before continuing... I do have
    allergies and a minor case of asthma...but thats it...as far as i know.
    Heart doctor says my heart is fine... Im a big guy though... 6 foot 2 inches
    and 200 pounds...my heart prolly has to work alot harder because of my
    size...but i still dont think thats the reason why i need to take such long
    breaks to recover.. something i could never figure out...sometimes it has
    been pretty scary..to the point where i feel like i am just about to pass
    out..i get very dizzy and light headed..kinda frustrating too...because my
    muscles can handle alot more...and my lungs/brain (whatever) cannot.


    I'm 5'9" and at the moment, 225.6 pounds. My heart certainly has to
    work harder than yours especially when doing 3 sets of 8 in the squat
    with only a couple of minutes rest between sets. I think you have a
    medical problem that you need to get checked out.

  8. "mike" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I won't work. You see football players doing it because of ignorant
    trainers and gullible oafs who have PLACEBO stamped on their foreheads.

    Your hemoglobin, which carries most of the oxygen in your blood, is
    already nearly 100% saturated with oxygen with room air's 21% oxygen.
    Breathing 100% oxygen will raise you from 99.9% saturated to 100%
    saturated. NOTHING!

    You WILL increase by many fold the amount of dissolved oxygen in the
    plasma of your blood, but this is such a tiny amount, compared to the
    hemoglobin bound, that it amounts to NOTHING.

    Interesting David... Is there an explanation then as to why we need to
    inhale more oxygen during strenous workouts/weight lifting?

    We really don't. Most of the increase in respiratory rate has to do with
    acid/base balance. Put simply: exercise-lactic acid-blood pH drops-breathe
    fast-blow off carbon dioxide-blood pH rises: compensatory hyperventilation.

    Quoted message said:

    I need to take breaks sometimes as long as 30 minutes before continuing...
    I do have allergies and a minor case of asthma...but thats it...as far as
    i know. Heart doctor says my heart is fine... Im a big guy though... 6
    foot 2 inches and 200 pounds...my heart prolly has to work alot harder
    because of my size...but i still dont think thats the reason why i need to
    take such long breaks to recover.. something i could never figure
    out...sometimes it has been pretty scary..to the point where i feel like i
    am just about to pass out..i get very dizzy and light headed..kinda
    frustrating too...because my muscles can handle alot more...and my
    lungs/brain (whatever) cannot.

    As John suggested, a good doctor and a complete workup might be warranted.

    David

  9. "Joe Humble" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "mike" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > I won't work. You see football players doing it because of ignorant
    > trainers and gullible oafs who have PLACEBO stamped on their foreheads.
    >
    > Your hemoglobin, which carries most of the oxygen in your blood, is
    > already nearly 100% saturated with oxygen with room air's 21% oxygen.
    > Breathing 100% oxygen will raise you from 99.9% saturated to 100%
    > saturated. NOTHING!
    >
    > You WILL increase by many fold the amount of dissolved oxygen in the
    > plasma of your blood, but this is such a tiny amount, compared to the
    > hemoglobin bound, that it amounts to NOTHING.

    Interesting David... Is there an explanation then as to why we need to
    inhale more oxygen during strenous workouts/weight lifting?

    We really don't. Most of the increase in respiratory rate has to do with
    acid/base balance. Put simply: exercise-lactic acid-blood pH drops-breathe
    fast-blow off carbon dioxide-blood pH rises: compensatory
    hyperventilation.

    Quoted message said:

    I need to take breaks sometimes as long as 30 minutes before
    continuing...
    I do have allergies and a minor case of asthma...but thats it...as far
    as
    i know. Heart doctor says my heart is fine... Im a big guy though... 6
    foot 2 inches and 200 pounds...my heart prolly has to work alot harder
    because of my size...but i still dont think thats the reason why i need
    to
    take such long breaks to recover.. something i could never figure
    out...sometimes it has been pretty scary..to the point where i feel like
    i
    am just about to pass out..i get very dizzy and light headed..kinda
    frustrating too...because my muscles can handle alot more...and my
    lungs/brain (whatever) cannot.

    As John suggested, a good doctor and a complete workup might be warranted.

    He did mention clearance from a cardiologist.

    Yes, but he also mentioned allergies and asthma. Additionally, causes of his
    symptoms could be due to various systems: neurological, endocrinological (is
    that a word?), respiratory, dermotolog...uh, no, scratch that last one.

    Quoted message said:

    I remember when I
    first started training that I'd get dizzy and nearly pass out almost
    every workout. The workouts I do now would surely have killed me,
    literally, back then.

    I had an interesting discussion with a guy at the gym about this. I
    was doing deadlifts without much weight and when I put it down I
    mentioned how my lungs gave out before my muscles did. He said that
    his muscles would give out before his lungs did. These are obviously
    subjective statements but were interesting to me because of the
    perceived difference in source of exhaustion.

    Makes the concept of training to failure rather problematical.

    David

  10. "Joe Humble" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "mike" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > I won't work. You see football players doing it because of ignorant
    > trainers and gullible oafs who have PLACEBO stamped on their foreheads.
    >
    > Your hemoglobin, which carries most of the oxygen in your blood, is
    > already nearly 100% saturated with oxygen with room air's 21% oxygen.
    > Breathing 100% oxygen will raise you from 99.9% saturated to 100%
    > saturated. NOTHING!
    >
    > You WILL increase by many fold the amount of dissolved oxygen in the
    > plasma of your blood, but this is such a tiny amount, compared to the
    > hemoglobin bound, that it amounts to NOTHING.

    Interesting David... Is there an explanation then as to why we need to
    inhale more oxygen during strenous workouts/weight lifting?

    We really don't. Most of the increase in respiratory rate has to do with
    acid/base balance. Put simply: exercise-lactic acid-blood pH drops-breathe
    fast-blow off carbon dioxide-blood pH rises: compensatory
    hyperventilation.

    Quoted message said:

    I need to take breaks sometimes as long as 30 minutes before
    continuing...
    I do have allergies and a minor case of asthma...but thats it...as far
    as
    i know. Heart doctor says my heart is fine... Im a big guy though... 6
    foot 2 inches and 200 pounds...my heart prolly has to work alot harder
    because of my size...but i still dont think thats the reason why i need
    to
    take such long breaks to recover.. something i could never figure
    out...sometimes it has been pretty scary..to the point where i feel like
    i
    am just about to pass out..i get very dizzy and light headed..kinda
    frustrating too...because my muscles can handle alot more...and my
    lungs/brain (whatever) cannot.

    As John suggested, a good doctor and a complete workup might be warranted.

    He did mention clearance from a cardiologist.

    Yes, but he also mentioned allergies and asthma. Additionally, causes of his
    symptoms could be due to various systems: neurological, endocrinological (is
    that a word?), respiratory, dermotolog...uh, no, scratch that last one.

    Quoted message said:

    I remember when I
    first started training that I'd get dizzy and nearly pass out almost
    every workout. The workouts I do now would surely have killed me,
    literally, back then.

    I had an interesting discussion with a guy at the gym about this. I
    was doing deadlifts without much weight and when I put it down I
    mentioned how my lungs gave out before my muscles did. He said that
    his muscles would give out before his lungs did. These are obviously
    subjective statements but were interesting to me because of the
    perceived difference in source of exhaustion.

    Makes the concept of training to failure rather problematical.

    David

  11. David Cohen said:

    "Joe Humble" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "mike" <[email hidden]> wrote

    >"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    >>I won't work. You see football players doing it because of ignorant
    >>trainers and gullible oafs who have PLACEBO stamped on their foreheads.
    >>
    >>Your hemoglobin, which carries most of the oxygen in your blood, is
    >>already nearly 100% saturated with oxygen with room air's 21% oxygen.
    >>Breathing 100% oxygen will raise you from 99.9% saturated to 100%
    >>saturated. NOTHING!
    >>
    >>You WILL increase by many fold the amount of dissolved oxygen in the
    >>plasma of your blood, but this is such a tiny amount, compared to the
    >>hemoglobin bound, that it amounts to NOTHING.
    >
    >Interesting David... Is there an explanation then as to why we need to
    >inhale more oxygen during strenous workouts/weight lifting?

    We really don't. Most of the increase in respiratory rate has to do with
    acid/base balance. Put simply: exercise-lactic acid-blood pH drops-breathe
    fast-blow off carbon dioxide-blood pH rises: compensatory
    hyperventilation.

    >I need to take breaks sometimes as long as 30 minutes before
    >continuing...
    >I do have allergies and a minor case of asthma...but thats it...as far
    >as
    >i know. Heart doctor says my heart is fine... Im a big guy though... 6
    >foot 2 inches and 200 pounds...my heart prolly has to work alot harder
    >because of my size...but i still dont think thats the reason why i need
    >to
    >take such long breaks to recover.. something i could never figure
    >out...sometimes it has been pretty scary..to the point where i feel like
    >i
    >am just about to pass out..i get very dizzy and light headed..kinda
    >frustrating too...because my muscles can handle alot more...and my
    >lungs/brain (whatever) cannot.

    As John suggested, a good doctor and a complete workup might be warranted.

    He did mention clearance from a cardiologist.

    Yes, but he also mentioned allergies and asthma. Additionally, causes of his
    symptoms could be due to various systems: neurological, endocrinological (is
    that a word?), respiratory, dermotolog...uh, no, scratch that last one.

    Quoted message said:

    I remember when I
    first started training that I'd get dizzy and nearly pass out almost
    every workout. The workouts I do now would surely have killed me,
    literally, back then.

    I had an interesting discussion with a guy at the gym about this. I
    was doing deadlifts without much weight and when I put it down I
    mentioned how my lungs gave out before my muscles did. He said that
    his muscles would give out before his lungs did. These are obviously
    subjective statements but were interesting to me because of the
    perceived difference in source of exhaustion.

    Makes the concept of training to failure rather problematical.

    David

    In the end, he might just be in poorer shape than he thinks he is. I'm
    only taking 90seconds rest between sets (alternating exercises, 5-8
    reps, sometimes to failure: this week is my final week at 8-8-8 for my
    work sets before upping the weight and dropping back to 5-5-5 for each
    exercise) and my Hb today is 7.9 (the weights even come after 20 minutes
    on the bike with my heart rate between 152 and 161 bpm). During heavy
    squats I certainly had to take longer rest periods, but I can't do those
    anymore. Taking half an hour before being able to continue does sound a
    bit suspect, though, in terms of some underlying medical condition.

    --
    spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

    I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
    neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
    hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
    marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
    transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
    http://www.abmdr.org.au/
    http://www.marrow.org/

  12. David Cohen said:

    "Joe Humble" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "mike" <[email hidden]> wrote

    >"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    >>I won't work. You see football players doing it because of ignorant
    >>trainers and gullible oafs who have PLACEBO stamped on their foreheads.
    >>
    >>Your hemoglobin, which carries most of the oxygen in your blood, is
    >>already nearly 100% saturated with oxygen with room air's 21% oxygen.
    >>Breathing 100% oxygen will raise you from 99.9% saturated to 100%
    >>saturated. NOTHING!
    >>
    >>You WILL increase by many fold the amount of dissolved oxygen in the
    >>plasma of your blood, but this is such a tiny amount, compared to the
    >>hemoglobin bound, that it amounts to NOTHING.
    >
    >Interesting David... Is there an explanation then as to why we need to
    >inhale more oxygen during strenous workouts/weight lifting?

    We really don't. Most of the increase in respiratory rate has to do with
    acid/base balance. Put simply: exercise-lactic acid-blood pH drops-breathe
    fast-blow off carbon dioxide-blood pH rises: compensatory
    hyperventilation.

    >I need to take breaks sometimes as long as 30 minutes before
    >continuing...
    >I do have allergies and a minor case of asthma...but thats it...as far
    >as
    >i know. Heart doctor says my heart is fine... Im a big guy though... 6
    >foot 2 inches and 200 pounds...my heart prolly has to work alot harder
    >because of my size...but i still dont think thats the reason why i need
    >to
    >take such long breaks to recover.. something i could never figure
    >out...sometimes it has been pretty scary..to the point where i feel like
    >i
    >am just about to pass out..i get very dizzy and light headed..kinda
    >frustrating too...because my muscles can handle alot more...and my
    >lungs/brain (whatever) cannot.

    As John suggested, a good doctor and a complete workup might be warranted.

    He did mention clearance from a cardiologist.

    Yes, but he also mentioned allergies and asthma. Additionally, causes of his
    symptoms could be due to various systems: neurological, endocrinological (is
    that a word?), respiratory, dermotolog...uh, no, scratch that last one.

    Quoted message said:

    I remember when I
    first started training that I'd get dizzy and nearly pass out almost
    every workout. The workouts I do now would surely have killed me,
    literally, back then.

    I had an interesting discussion with a guy at the gym about this. I
    was doing deadlifts without much weight and when I put it down I
    mentioned how my lungs gave out before my muscles did. He said that
    his muscles would give out before his lungs did. These are obviously
    subjective statements but were interesting to me because of the
    perceived difference in source of exhaustion.

    Makes the concept of training to failure rather problematical.

    David

    In the end, he might just be in poorer shape than he thinks he is. I'm
    only taking 90seconds rest between sets (alternating exercises, 5-8
    reps, sometimes to failure: this week is my final week at 8-8-8 for my
    work sets before upping the weight and dropping back to 5-5-5 for each
    exercise) and my Hb today is 7.9 (the weights even come after 20 minutes
    on the bike with my heart rate between 152 and 161 bpm). During heavy
    squats I certainly had to take longer rest periods, but I can't do those
    anymore. Taking half an hour before being able to continue does sound a
    bit suspect, though, in terms of some underlying medical condition.

    --
    spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

    I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
    neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
    hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
    marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
    transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
    http://www.abmdr.org.au/
    http://www.marrow.org/


  13. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I had an interesting discussion with a guy at the gym about this. I
    was doing deadlifts without much weight and when I put it down I
    mentioned how my lungs gave out before my muscles did. He said that
    his muscles would give out before his lungs did. These are obviously
    subjective statements but were interesting to me because of the
    perceived difference in source of exhaustion.

    What's your rep range like? When I do triples (I usually do triples) my muscles
    quit before my breathing gets labored. 20-rep squats, on the other hand, um,
    challenge my heart and lungs, let us say; keeping things abstract in the
    interest of decorum.

  14. "Joe Humble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:04:53 GMT, T <[email hidden]> wrote:

    I guess the way I'd describe it is that I can keep lifting right up
    till the point I pass out. My muscles don't seem to fail but the pain
    in my chest and dizzyness will stop me.

    Joe, thats exactly how i feel... maybe we need to cut down on our daily
    workouts, ey..

    Maybe your like me... I get alot of anger and frustration that builds up
    over the course of the day..and lifting weights to the point of feeling like
    im "beat up" kinda fixes me..like its my daily medicine or something.

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