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From what I have seen today, you need a deficit of around 9000 Kcal to
expend a kilogram of fat. Since the winter has been kind (in fêtes and
food), I have a surfeit, and want to achieve a loss by April. Is this
equivalence about right ? No rude questions, now, about the fit of my
clothes - I already got a Fat Guys jersey as a gift from my daughter, in
the US. On the other hand, I expect all sorts of rude and harassing
comments, but "my skin is too thick" to worry.

There's a bit of other stuff that gets bound up with the actual fat, lose
the fat and that goes as well. So it ends up being about 8,000 Kcal deficit
to lose a kilogram of weight, assuming you don't lose muscle. Probably best
not to try to lose weight faster than 1kg/week.

Peter

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From what I have seen today, you need a deficit of around 9000 Kcal to
expend a kilogram of fat. Since the winter has been kind (in fêtes and
food), I have a surfeit, and want to achieve a loss by April. Is this
equivalence about right ? No rude questions, now, about the fit of my
clothes - I already got a Fat Guys jersey as a gift from my daughter, in

the

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US. On the other hand, I expect all sorts of rude and harassing comments,
but "my skin is too thick" to worry.
--
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

*******

La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette,
il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'équilibre.
-- Einstein, A.

The rule of thumb is 3500 Kcal = 1 lb of Fat, or in metric, 1 kg of fat =
7700 Kcal.

As for burning those calories, a brisk ride burns around 40 Kcal / mile, or
about 25 Kcal / kilometer. A little more if you're heavy, or riding in
hills, a little less otherwise.

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....G/ \G
http://www.CycliStats.com
CycliStats - Software for Cyclists

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From what I have seen today, you need a deficit of around 9000 Kcal to
expend a kilogram of fat. Since the winter has been kind (in fêtes and
food), I have a surfeit, and want to achieve a loss by April. Is this
equivalence about right ? No rude questions, now, about the fit of my
clothes - I already got a Fat Guys jersey as a gift from my daughter, in
the US. On the other hand, I expect all sorts of rude and harassing
comments, but "my skin is too thick" to worry.
--
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

*******

La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette,
il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'équilibre.
-- Einstein, A.

A heart rate monitor is a good tool for burning fat. 60-70% of your max is
about the best heart rate to burn fat. This is all part of building your
fitness base. You have an annual training plan right?

TJ
www.fatboy.s5.com

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From what I have seen today, you need a deficit of around 9000 Kcal to
expend a kilogram of fat. Since the winter has been kind (in fêtes and
food), I have a surfeit, and want to achieve a loss by April. Is this
equivalence about right ? No rude questions, now, about the fit of my
clothes - I already got a Fat Guys jersey as a gift from my daughter, in
the US. On the other hand, I expect all sorts of rude and harassing
comments, but "my skin is too thick" to worry.
--
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

*******

La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette,
il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'équilibre.
-- Einstein, A.

Sounds like you have gotten some sound advice from the earlier posts (3500
Kcal = 1 lb.). Check out www.fitday.com if you create an account they have
some pretty good tools. I have bought the software and recommend it.

-p

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From what I have seen today, you need a deficit of around 9000 Kcal to
expend a kilogram of fat. Since the winter has been kind (in fêtes and
food), I have a surfeit, and want to achieve a loss by April. Is this
equivalence about right ? No rude questions, now, about the fit of my
clothes - I already got a Fat Guys jersey as a gift from my daughter, in
the US. On the other hand, I expect all sorts of rude and harassing
comments, but "my skin is too thick" to worry.
--
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

*******

La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette,
il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'équilibre.
-- Einstein, A.

A heart rate monitor is a good tool for burning fat. 60-70% of your
max is
about the best heart rate to burn fat. This is all part of building your
fitness base. You have an annual training plan right?

TJ
www.fatboy.s5.com

Actually, the harder you work out, the more fat you burn (in terms of
calories). You tend to burn a higher percentage of fat at relatively low
HRs, but overall calorie (including fat) burning is higher at the higher
HRs.

--
Bob in CT

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You have an annual training plan right?

Of course not - I just wanted to see if using a knife would be less painful.
I have a lifetime training plan, well smashed by each winter's holiday
season. Sometimes, you just can't say no !
--
Bonne route,

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

(was it not clear that I asked for a computational answer ?)

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:50:13 -0700, TJ <[email hidden]> wrote:

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A heart rate monitor is a good tool for burning fat. 60-70% of your
max is
about the best heart rate to burn fat. This is all part of building your
fitness base. You have an annual training plan right?

TJ

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Actually, the harder you work out, the more fat you burn (in terms of
calories). You tend to burn a higher percentage of fat at relatively low
HRs, but overall calorie (including fat) burning is higher at the higher
HRs.

--
Bob in CT

Thanks Bob - Thanks TJ -
Did anyone ever suggest to you two, that answering the specific question is
useful ?

Sandy said:

Thanks Bob - Thanks TJ -
Did anyone ever suggest to you two, that answering the specific question is
useful ?

Perhaps, but on rbr and 99% of the Usenet, entirely unnecessary. Next
you will be preaching against thread drift and thread hijacking.
Heresy, heresy, heresy. And pointless.

Curtis L. Russell

When an ellipsis dies, its like, well,whatever...
Ava Gardner or someone like that...

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A heart rate monitor is a good tool for burning fat. 60-70% of your
max is
about the best heart rate to burn fat. This is all part of building

your

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fitness base. You have an annual training plan right?

TJ

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Actually, the harder you work out, the more fat you burn (in terms of
calories). You tend to burn a higher percentage of fat at relatively

low

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HRs, but overall calorie (including fat) burning is higher at the higher
HRs.

--
Bob in CT

Thanks Bob - Thanks TJ -
Did anyone ever suggest to you two, that answering the specific question

is

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useful ?

Not to worry, both of their answers were so inaccurate your return is about
the same.

TJ: at those low HR's you will *probably* be burning mostly fat, IF your
slow twitch muscles and some other things are developed sufficiently to burn
mostly fat for fuel. You may want to read around on the 'net about what is
really happening when you are building a "fitness base" properly. Try a
google on stuff like capillary density, mitochondrial density, increasing
these things, what intensities are best for increasing these things, etc.

Bob: the harder you ride the more calories per hour you'll burn. The mixture
of carbs/fat changes as you increase your intensity. By the time you're
riding at say, 85% of your MHR you are likely to be burning far more carb
calories than fat calories. Perhaps in the range of 75-80% of your MHR you
are burning a higher ratio of carbs to fat but you're still burning lots of
fat calories. Raising your resting metabolic rate can be useful too.

The other question is, how many hours per week can you ride before you run
out of time or energy? If you can ride 20 hours per week you may be best
riding near 70-75% of your MHR to maximize your fat burning totals.. If you
can only ride 7 hours a week you may be better off riding closer to 75%-80%
of your MHR.

Understand also that MHR isn't a very good way to measure intensity for a
group of people because the lactate threshold (and some other things that
are important) doesn't occur at the same HR% for everyone. Riding the same
way each day isn't optimal in most cases.

-Warren

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From what I have seen today, you need a deficit of around 9000 Kcal to
expend a kilogram of fat. Since the winter has been kind (in fêtes and
food), I have a surfeit, and want to achieve a loss by April. Is this
equivalence about right ? No rude questions, now, about the fit of my
clothes - I already got a Fat Guys jersey as a gift from my daughter, in
the US. On the other hand, I expect all sorts of rude and harassing
comments, but "my skin is too thick" to worry.

It's pretty hard to ride off excess weight Sandy. You'll probably have to
reduce your normal calorie intake as well.

I'm trying to picture a Frenchman dieting. Nahhh, don't see it.

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:50:13 -0700, TJ <[email hidden]>
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A heart rate monitor is a good tool for burning fat. 60-70% of your
max is
about the best heart rate to burn fat. This is all part of building
your
fitness base. You have an annual training plan right?

TJ

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Actually, the harder you work out, the more fat you burn (in terms of
calories). You tend to burn a higher percentage of fat at relatively low
HRs, but overall calorie (including fat) burning is higher at the higher
HRs.

--
Bob in CT

Thanks Bob - Thanks TJ -
Did anyone ever suggest to you two, that answering the specific question
is useful ?

You answered your own question. I put my usenet sugestion in there. And
unless you use the information that was confirmed by another post, You will
still be fat. Riding or not. Enjoy the climbs.

TJ
www.fatboy.s5.com

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Thanks Bob - Thanks TJ -
Did anyone ever suggest to you two, that answering the specific question
is useful ?

You answered your own question. I put my usenet sugestion in there. And
unless you use the information that was confirmed by another post, You
will still be fat. Riding or not. Enjoy the climbs.

TJ, old sport -

Reading ain't your strength, you know. The Q was about calculating a
deficit?Kcal=1kg fat reduction.
I may be fat and happy, relatively speaking.
On both counts. Or not, or on one and not the other. Or not.

Taking the suggestion from Mr Russell, I think it's about time we banned
hairspray and gel from racing - unless they are approved helmet substitutes.
And piercing is NOT body armor !

Or maybe, did you notice how mobile telephones have ten digits for dialing ?
What!? no binaries ?

PS - how do you top-post an SMS ?
--
Bonne route,

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

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From what I have seen today, you need a deficit of around 9000 Kcal
to expend a kilogram of fat. Since the winter has been kind (in
fêtes and food), I have a surfeit, and want to achieve a loss by
April. Is this equivalence about right ? No rude questions, now,
about the fit of my clothes - I already got a Fat Guys jersey as a
gift from my daughter, in the US. On the other hand, I expect all
sorts of rude and harassing comments, but "my skin is too thick" to
worry.

It's pretty hard to ride off excess weight Sandy. You'll probably have
to reduce your normal calorie intake as well.

First law of thermodynamics dU = Q-W
Change in internal energy (fat store) = Energy input (food) - Work
(exercise)
To loose weight, either decrease Q or increase W or both.

Phil H

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From what I have seen today, you need a deficit of around 9000 Kcal to
expend a kilogram of fat. Since the winter has been kind (in fêtes and
food), I have a surfeit, and want to achieve a loss by April. Is this
equivalence about right ? No rude questions, now, about the fit of my
clothes - I already got a Fat Guys jersey as a gift from my daughter, in
the US. On the other hand, I expect all sorts of rude and harassing
comments, but "my skin is too thick" to worry.

It's pretty hard to ride off excess weight Sandy. You'll probably have to
reduce your normal calorie intake as well.

First law of thermodynamics dU = Q-W
Change in internal energy (fat store) = Energy input (food) - Work
(exercise)
To loose weight, either decrease Q or increase W or both.

You forget that when you exercise you increase your appetite. Usually your
increased appetite is greater than the calories you've burned off.

Tom Kunich said:

You forget that when you exercise you increase your appetite. Usually your
increased appetite is greater than the calories you've burned off.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That is pretty much the opposite of my experience and everyone I know that
rides.

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> From what I have seen today, you need a deficit of around 9000 Kcal
> to expend a kilogram of fat. Since the winter has been kind (in
> fêtes and food), I have a surfeit, and want to achieve a loss by
> April. Is this equivalence about right ? No rude questions, now,
> about the fit of my clothes - I already got a Fat Guys jersey as a
> gift from my daughter, in the US. On the other hand, I expect all
> sorts of rude and harassing comments, but "my skin is too thick" to
> worry.

It's pretty hard to ride off excess weight Sandy. You'll probably
have to reduce your normal calorie intake as well.

First law of thermodynamics dU = Q-W
Change in internal energy (fat store) = Energy input (food) - Work
(exercise)
To loose weight, either decrease Q or increase W or both.

You forget that when you exercise you increase your appetite. Usually
your increased appetite is greater than the calories you've burned
off.

The laws of physics doesn't care about appetite, low metabolism, a
feeble mind, personal choice, this diet, that diet etc. The formula
works to spec every time.

Phil H

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> From what I have seen today, you need a deficit of around 9000 Kcal to
> expend a kilogram of fat. Since the winter has been kind (in fêtes

and

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> food), I have a surfeit, and want to achieve a loss by April. Is this
> equivalence about right ? No rude questions, now, about the fit of my
> clothes - I already got a Fat Guys jersey as a gift from my daughter,

in

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> the US. On the other hand, I expect all sorts of rude and harassing
> comments, but "my skin is too thick" to worry.

It's pretty hard to ride off excess weight Sandy. You'll probably have

to

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reduce your normal calorie intake as well.

First law of thermodynamics dU = Q-W
Change in internal energy (fat store) = Energy input (food) - Work
(exercise)
To loose weight, either decrease Q or increase W or both.

You forget that when you exercise you increase your appetite. Usually your
increased appetite is greater than the calories you've burned off.

Sounds like a personal problem, Tom. When I ride more, I tend to lose
weight, whether or not I eat more. Cycling is a pretty effective way to burn
calories, and and in my experience folks who ride a lot (say, 150+ miles per
week), tend to be thinner than average, without having to worry much about
diet.

GG

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My own experience matches yours, Gary, but I also know people that ride
a lot (150+ miles a week) and are pretty chunky. Of course, they're
not getting fatter either. I think its fair to say that with regular
riding you can maintain your weight without dieting, but I don't think
a lot of people can _lose_ weight without making a conscious effort to
watch what they eat.

Works fine for me. I'm thinking though that I ride harder than the
typical large but devoted rider. I have two speeds, the easier one being
almost as fast as I can go at the time (and still have enough to finish
the ride).

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"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

My own experience matches yours, Gary, but I also know people that ride
a lot (150+ miles a week) and are pretty chunky. Of course, they're
not getting fatter either. I think its fair to say that with regular
riding you can maintain your weight without dieting, but I don't think
a lot of people can _lose_ weight without making a conscious effort to
watch what they eat.