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  1. http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21349199-23272,00.html

    Burn fat, not oil
    By Phil Hammond
    March 09, 2007 12:00am

    BRISBANE'S horrendous morning traffic jams of recent weeks must surely be
    making people think of better alternatives to travelling 3km in 40 minutes
    in a car.

    Fortunately, Bike Week starts on Saturday (March 10) with a whole lot of
    events arguing the case for more pedal power.

    If you have a bike - any sort of bike - then prepare it for Ride to Work Day
    on Wednesday March 14, when 1000 or more cyclists will be making their way
    to Brisbane Square, at the top end of the Queen Street Mall.

    After 7am, Bicycle Queensland will be giving away a Raleigh flat-bar road
    bike and breakfasts of cereal, pancakes, flavoured milk, yoghurt, coffee and
    juice.

    If you haven't ridden into the city before, Bicycle Queensland has "bike
    buddies" prepared to ride along with you for the trip.

    The Bike Week brochure lists 34 starting points around the city for the ride
    in, with meeting times.

    If you would like a buddy, find out more by emailing [email hidden]

    The other major event is the Great Brisbane Bike Ride on March 18 - a fun
    ride which starts and finishes in Brisbane's South Bank cultural forecourt.

    Riders follow the river loop and have the choice of 35km or 60km rides.
    There's also a 10km family fun ride.

    It's the full thing, with marshalls, police escorts, water stops and two
    "tucker-stops" en route.

    Registration is from 6am, elite riders leave at 7.30am and recreational
    riders a quarter of an hour later.

    The family fun ride departs at 8am. There are discounted fees for early
    entry and it's cheaper if you are a member of Bicycle Queensland. Enter
    online on www.bq.org.au/bikeweek07 or grab an entry form from your local
    bike shop and get it to Bicycle Queensland in West End by tonight.

    Bicycle Queensland manager Ben Wilson says: "If petrol prices continue to
    soar - the real question is: can you afford to not cycle to work?"

    According to the Australian Greenhouse Office, by cycling just 10km each way
    to work instead of driving, you save more than $770 in transport costs and
    1.3 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year.

    "Cycling is the ultimate green transport mode - you burn fat instead of oil,
    reduce your carbon footprint and save money," Wilson says.

    "By riding to work even a few times a week you will start to notice an
    increase in your physical fitness and what you save in parking fees and
    petrol will soon add up.

    "And interestingly, for city trips of less than 15km, it is often faster to
    cycle than it is to drive or catch public transport.

    "You get the added bonus that you have done your exercise for the day so you
    don't need to find that time later to go to the gym."

    Bike Week also has a cycle to the University of Queensland event next
    Wednesday, a ride to school challenge, and tomorrow, a women's ride and
    workshop, a come-and-try mountain biking session and an introduction to your
    bicycle session, highlighting common problems.

    Info: www.bq.org.au

    --
    www.ozcableguy.com
    www.oztechnologies.com

  2. OzCableguy said:

    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21349199-23272,00.html

    Burn fat, not oil
    By Phil Hammond
    March 09, 2007 12:00am

    BRISBANE'S horrendous morning traffic jams of recent weeks must surely be
    making people think of better alternatives to travelling 3km in 40 minutes
    in a car.

    SNIP <

    If you haven't ridden into the city before, Bicycle Queensland has "bike
    buddies" prepared to ride along with you for the trip.

    The Bike Week brochure lists 34 starting points around the city for the ride
    in, with meeting times.

    If you would like a buddy, find out more by emailing [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Yet more snippage <

    On reading this, I was struck by the "bike buddy" idea.

    I wonder if this could become an established program everywhere?

    My experience is that when speaking to people about getting on
    their bikes for commuting or whatever, they're nervous about
    traffic, what route to take etc. I wonder if there was an
    established "buddy system" with experienced volunteer riders
    acting as buddies. I'm sure that there'd be plenty of us who
    would ride a few extra kms to help a newbie into riding.

    What appeals to me about this is helps people get over the
    first hurdle of getting on the bike for the first commute.

    Perhaps there is already such a system in place somewhere?

    Could the BTA in WA run it?

    DeF

    --
    e-mail: d.farrow@your finger.murdoch.edu.au
    To reply, you'll have to remove your finger.

  3. On 2007-03-09, OzCableguy (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21349199-23272,00.html


    ....

    Quoted message said:

    According to the Australian Greenhouse Office, by cycling just 10km each way
    to work instead of driving, you save more than $770 in transport costs and
    1.3 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year.

    Up to $770?

    Gosh, I'm saving a bit more than that. How much does it cost per year
    to own and maintain a car again?

    --
    TimC

    Quoted message said:

    aibohphobia, n., The fear of palindromes


    And here I thought it was the fear of robotic Japanese dogs.
    -- Tom "Tom" Harrington

  4. On Mar 9, 1:47 pm, TimC <[email hidden]-

    astro.swin.edu.au said:

    On 2007-03-09, OzCableguy (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21349199-23272,00.html


    ...

    Quoted message said:

    According to the Australian Greenhouse Office, by cycling just 10km each way
    to work instead of driving, you save more than $770 in transport costs and
    1.3 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year.

    Up to $770?

    Gosh, I'm saving a bit more than that. How much does it cost per year
    to own and maintain a car again?

    --
    TimC> aibohphobia, n., The fear of palindromes

    And here I thought it was the fear of robotic Japanese dogs.
    -- Tom "Tom" Harrington

    Yes its [censored] maths, that would be around 4,500kms, tax department
    gives more tha 40 cents a kilometre for tax purpose for car use (to
    include all costs) so a minimum of $1800 a year is more like it.

  5. PiledHigher said:

    On Mar 9, 1:47 pm, TimC <[email hidden]-

    astro.swin.edu.au said:

    On 2007-03-09, OzCableguy (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21349199-23272,00.html


    ...

    Quoted message said:

    According to the Australian Greenhouse Office, by cycling just 10km each way
    to work instead of driving, you save more than $770 in transport costs and
    1.3 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year.

    Quoted message said:

    Up to $770?

    Quoted message said:

    Gosh, I'm saving a bit more than that. How much does it cost per year
    to own and maintain a car again?

    Quoted message said:

    --
    TimC> aibohphobia, n., The fear of palindromes

    Quoted message said:

    And here I thought it was the fear of robotic Japanese dogs.
    -- Tom "Tom" Harrington

    Yes its [censored] maths, that would be around 4,500kms, tax department
    gives more tha 40 cents a kilometre for tax purpose for car use (to
    include all costs) so a minimum of $1800 a year is more like it.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    The ATO rate is 66 c/km for a car 1600-2600 (?) cc. I figure that as
    $3168 per year = 20 km x 5 days x 48 weeks. This would assume not
    owning the car. The saving is rather less if you own it and leave it
    in the garage. But don't tell them that. ;-)

  6. Donga said:
    PiledHigher said:

    On Mar 9, 1:47 pm, TimC <[email hidden]-

    Quoted message said:
    astro.swin.edu.au said:

    On 2007-03-09, OzCableguy (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21349199-23272,00.html
    ...
    > According to the Australian Greenhouse Office, by cycling just 10km each way
    > to work instead of driving, you save more than $770 in transport costs and
    > 1.3 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Up to $770?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Gosh, I'm saving a bit more than that. How much does it cost per year
    to own and maintain a car again?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    --
    TimC> aibohphobia, n., The fear of palindromes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And here I thought it was the fear of robotic Japanese dogs.
    -- Tom "Tom" Harrington

    Quoted message said:

    Yes its [censored] maths, that would be around 4,500kms, tax department
    gives more tha 40 cents a kilometre for tax purpose for car use (to
    include all costs) so a minimum of $1800 a year is more like it.- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    The ATO rate is 66 c/km for a car 1600-2600 (?) cc. I figure that as
    $3168 per year = 20 km x 5 days x 48 weeks. This would assume not
    owning the car. The saving is rather less if you own it and leave it
    in the garage. But don't tell them that. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Must have a [censored] AWA to not get the two weeks (10 days) of public
    holidays and a few sick days (say a week). makes 45 working weeks,
    which is where I started.

  7. On Mar 9, 1:47 pm, TimC <[email hidden]-

    astro.swin.edu.au said:

    On 2007-03-09, OzCableguy (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21349199-23272,00.html


    ...

    Quoted message said:

    According to the Australian Greenhouse Office, by cycling just 10km each way
    to work instead of driving, you save more than $770 in transport costs and
    1.3 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year.

    Up to $770?

    Gosh, I'm saving a bit more than that. How much does it cost per year
    to own and maintain a car again?

    --
    TimC> aibohphobia, n., The fear of palindromes

    And here I thought it was the fear of robotic Japanese dogs.
    -- Tom "Tom" Harrington

    To answer this question, the cheapest visible costs are rego and
    insurance usually $500 each (YMMV a lot).

    Serviceing usually a minimum of $150/yr
    Depreciation all over the scale, very little on my $1000 car...

  8. On Mar 9, 1:47 pm, TimC <[email hidden]-

    astro.swin.edu.au said:

    On 2007-03-09, OzCableguy (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21349199-23272,00.html


    ...

    Quoted message said:

    According to the Australian Greenhouse Office, by cycling just 10km each way
    to work instead of driving, you save more than $770 in transport costs and
    1.3 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year.

    Up to $770?

    Gosh, I'm saving a bit more than that. How much does it cost per year
    to own and maintain a car again?

    As others have said.. [censored] maths.

    at 10l/100km (not unrealistic in the usual stop-start [censored] traffic),
    $1.20/l, you save over $500/yr.
    Add the costs of rego, and its more like $900.. and we still haven't
    gotten to the cost of insurance, or depreciation.

  9. Duncan said:


    As others have said.. [censored] maths.

    at 10l/100km (not unrealistic in the usual stop-start [censored] traffic),
    $1.20/l, you save over $500/yr.
    Add the costs of rego, and its more like $900.. and we still haven't
    gotten to the cost of insurance, or depreciation.

    You guys are fooling yourselves. Let's say you save $900 on the costs of
    a car.

    Year 1 - fairly crappy bike = $350, 2 x nix and jersey (Uno or equiv) =
    $170, Lights = $50, Cheapo Panniers (do not start a panniers vs backpack
    war) = $80, Servicing = $100 Total = $750

    Year 2 Realise bike is crappy and too slow to beat any other commuters
    and that I'm saving $900 per year and have probbaly reduced doctors
    bills etc so can justify a new bike = $1200, Panniers are leaking so
    good panneirs are a jsutified long term investment = $200, needed
    stronger lighting, attempted home made lights but gave up so need
    something decent = $120, Sick of repeatedly washing nix and jersey so
    need two more = $170 Total = $1690

    Year 3 Discover two things: a) the TdF, b) Probikekit. Go carbon bling
    crazy = $1000. Decide home servicing is the go and buy a lot of tools =
    $300, then a bike stand as well = $200. Learn about n+1 and buy an
    additional road bike for the weekends = $1500, Realise all the cool
    riders are driving to Beach Rd for their Sunday ride = bike rack = $150,
    plus now need a car = $900 per year. UH OHHHHHHH! Total cost =
    irrelevant and best not known especially if significant other finds out.

    DaveB

  10. "OzCableguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21349199-23272,00.html

    Burn fat, not oil
    By Phil Hammond
    March 09, 2007 12:00am

    BRISBANE'S horrendous morning traffic jams of recent weeks must surely be
    making people think of better alternatives to travelling 3km in 40 minutes
    in a car.

    Fortunately, Bike Week starts on Saturday (March 10) with a whole lot of
    events arguing the case for more pedal power.

    If you have a bike - any sort of bike - then prepare it for Ride to Work
    Day on Wednesday March 14, when 1000 or more cyclists will be making their
    way to Brisbane Square, at the top end of the Queen Street Mall.

    After 7am, Bicycle Queensland will be giving away a Raleigh flat-bar road
    bike and breakfasts of cereal, pancakes, flavoured milk, yoghurt, coffee
    and juice.

    If you haven't ridden into the city before, Bicycle Queensland has "bike
    buddies" prepared to ride along with you for the trip.


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Info: www.bq.org.au

    --
    www.ozcableguy.com
    www.oztechnologies.com

    Bicycle NSW doesn't seem to be doing anything for Ride to Work day - at
    least I can't see it mentioned on their web page.

    Liz

  11. DaveB said:
    Duncan said:

    As others have said.. [censored] maths.

    Quoted message said:

    at 10l/100km (not unrealistic in the usual stop-start [censored] traffic),
    $1.20/l, you save over $500/yr.
    Add the costs of rego, and its more like $900.. and we still haven't
    gotten to the cost of insurance, or depreciation.

    You guys are fooling yourselves. Let's say you save $900 on the costs of
    a car.

    Year 1 - fairly crappy bike = $350, 2 x nix and jersey (Uno or equiv) =
    $170, Lights = $50, Cheapo Panniers (do not start a panniers vs backpack
    war) = $80, Servicing = $100 Total = $750

    Year 2 Realise bike is crappy and too slow to beat any other commuters
    and that I'm saving $900 per year and have probbaly reduced doctors
    bills etc so can justify a new bike = $1200, Panniers are leaking so
    good panneirs are a jsutified long term investment = $200, needed
    stronger lighting, attempted home made lights but gave up so need
    something decent = $120, Sick of repeatedly washing nix and jersey so
    need two more = $170 Total = $1690

    Year 3 Discover two things: a) the TdF, b) Probikekit. Go carbon bling
    crazy = $1000. Decide home servicing is the go and buy a lot of tools =
    $300, then a bike stand as well = $200. Learn about n+1 and buy an
    additional road bike for the weekends = $1500, Realise all the cool
    riders are driving to Beach Rd for their Sunday ride = bike rack = $150,
    plus now need a car = $900 per year. UH OHHHHHHH! Total cost =
    irrelevant and best not known especially if significant other finds out.

    DaveB

    So true!! Mmmmmm carbon bling...

  12. PiledHigher said:
    Donga said:

    On Mar 9, 1:05 pm, "PiledHigher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Mar 9, 1:47 pm, TimC <[email hidden]-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
    > On 2007-03-09, OzCableguy (aka Bruce)
    > was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21349199-23272,00.html
    > ...
    > > According to the Australian Greenhouse Office, by cycling just 10km each way
    > > to work instead of driving, you save more than $770 in transport costs and
    > > 1.3 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Up to $770?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Gosh, I'm saving a bit more than that. How much does it cost per year
    > to own and maintain a car again?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > --
    > TimC> aibohphobia, n., The fear of palindromes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > And here I thought it was the fear of robotic Japanese dogs.
    > -- Tom "Tom" Harrington

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yes its [censored] maths, that would be around 4,500kms, tax department
    gives more tha 40 cents a kilometre for tax purpose for car use (to
    include all costs) so a minimum of $1800 a year is more like it.- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    The ATO rate is 66 c/km for a car 1600-2600 (?) cc. I figure that as
    $3168 per year = 20 km x 5 days x 48 weeks. This would assume not
    owning the car. The saving is rather less if you own it and leave it
    in the garage. But don't tell them that. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Must have a [censored] AWA to not get the two weeks (10 days) of public
    holidays and a few sick days (say a week). makes 45 working weeks,
    which is where I started.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Obviously you are not a scientist - we work because we love it -
    surely not for the pay. I lowballed it by not counting weekends
    worked. Sick days ... what?

    Donga

  13. DaveB said:
    Duncan said:

    As others have said.. [censored] maths.

    Quoted message said:

    at 10l/100km (not unrealistic in the usual stop-start [censored] traffic),
    $1.20/l, you save over $500/yr.
    Add the costs of rego, and its more like $900.. and we still haven't
    gotten to the cost of insurance, or depreciation.

    You guys are fooling yourselves. Let's say you save $900 on the costs of
    a car.

    Year 1 - fairly crappy bike = $350, 2 x nix and jersey (Uno or equiv) =
    $170, Lights = $50, Cheapo Panniers (do not start a panniers vs backpack
    war) = $80, Servicing = $100 Total = $750

    Year 2 Realise bike is crappy and too slow to beat any other commuters
    and that I'm saving $900 per year and have probbaly reduced doctors
    bills etc so can justify a new bike = $1200, Panniers are leaking so
    good panneirs are a jsutified long term investment = $200, needed
    stronger lighting, attempted home made lights but gave up so need
    something decent = $120, Sick of repeatedly washing nix and jersey so
    need two more = $170 Total = $1690

    Year 3 Discover two things: a) the TdF, b) Probikekit. Go carbon bling
    crazy = $1000. Decide home servicing is the go and buy a lot of tools =
    $300, then a bike stand as well = $200. Learn about n+1 and buy an
    additional road bike for the weekends = $1500, Realise all the cool
    riders are driving to Beach Rd for their Sunday ride = bike rack = $150,
    plus now need a car = $900 per year. UH OHHHHHHH! Total cost =
    irrelevant and best not known especially if significant other finds out.

    DaveB

    SHUT IT RIGHT NOW (they might find out).

    Donga

  14. OzCableguy said:

    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21349199-23272,00.html

    Sheesh, have a look at the [censored] contribution below the article, by one
    Brian Cusack of Jindalee. Have some sport with him.

    Donga

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Liz said:

    Bicycle NSW doesn't seem to be doing anything for Ride to Work day - at
    least I can't see it mentioned on their web page.

    The national day isn't until October, the 14th I think.

    --
    Shane Stanley

  16. Donga said:

    Obviously you are not a scientist - we work because we love it -
    surely not for the pay. I lowballed it by not counting weekends
    worked. Sick days ... what?

    Back when I was in high school doing work experience, I worked at a
    CSIRO lab.

    At that time there was some kind of industrial dispute going on.

    The scientists were threatening to bring the govt to its knees with...
    a work in!

    Yep, for a while they manned their labs 24/7, working extra extra
    hard.

    Eventually the govt caved in to their demands. I can't remember what,
    less paid leave or something I suppose.

    Travis
    www.travismorien.com

  17. Travis said:
    Donga said:

    Obviously you are not a scientist - we work because we love it -
    surely not for the pay. I lowballed it by not counting weekends
    worked. Sick days ... what?

    Back when I was in high school doing work experience, I worked at a
    CSIRO lab.

    At that time there was some kind of industrial dispute going on.

    The scientists were threatening to bring the govt to its knees with...
    a work in!

    Yep, for a while they manned their labs 24/7, working extra extra
    hard.

    Eventually the govt caved in to their demands. I can't remember what,
    less paid leave or something I suppose.

    Traviswww.travismorien.com

    And the CSIRO bods are amongst the better paid!

  18. Donga said:

    And the CSIRO bods are amongst the better paid!

    With such a militant and ruthless union, that's not surprising!

    Management knows that if the staff aren't kept happy, pretty soon
    they'll have to cope with mass walk-ins and impromptu overtime!

    Travis
    www.travismorien.com

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