Bullit Ride Questions?

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Loomer <[email hidden]> typed:

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I got my Bullit together today (except for the 8" rotors I put 6" on
and am waiting for the adaptors) and rode some urban tonight. I have
a few questions.

Keep in mind that I have never ridden a 7" travel bike and I am new
in town so I don't know anyone around who does. I haven't found a
good lbs yet either.

I have my sag set on the Jt T's and 5th element (350# spring) to 38%.
I weigh 200lbs.

I went off a 4' drop to flat and took a good 5.5" on the fork. Is
this ok? I would like to do 6 to 9' drops before I bottom out.

I put 150lbs. in the air chamber of the 5th and it doesn't bob as
long as I stay seated. Standing and hammering it bobs. Is this
normal? The forks bob like crazy, I assume this is normal... true?

I stayed seated and hammered down the middle of some railroad tracks
and it was very very smooth and I was impressed. Then I hammered
back down on the large gravel rail road track rocks it was like
riding on pavement, very cool.

Ideas, tips... any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for
all the help everyone has given so far I really appreciate it.

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the bike. Keep it up
and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding speed may help by keeping your
forward momentum up to cancel the downward force. I do four footers off a
stage that bottoms the fork very harshly. Do 6 to 9 footers and you'll need
to find a tranny to land in. Unless you like replacing rims, shocks, frames
etc.

You can tune the 5th so it barely bobs when standing and hammering just keep
adusting the blow off settings. But you may not like it for bunny hopping.
The fork will bob anyway, get used to it. It's not a XC rig.

Mike

Michael Dart said:

Do 6 to 9 footers and you'll need to find a tranny to land in.

Cross-dressers always provide a soft landing...

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Michael Dart said:

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the bike.
Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding speed may help
by keeping your forward momentum up to cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you drive two cars off a
cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60, they both hit the ground after the same
amount of time.

Doki said:

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Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the bike.
Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding speed may help
by keeping your forward momentum up to cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you drive two cars off a
cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60, they both hit the ground after the same
amount of time.

Yep, because I often hit terminal velocity on the drop-offs I do.

Muppet...

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"Doki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Michael Dart said:

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the bike.
Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding speed may help
by keeping your forward momentum up to cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you drive two cars off a
cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60, they both hit the ground after the same
amount of time.

Ok, then we'll go to a 15 foot cliff. You can jump straight off. I'll
shoulder roll when I hit the ground. We'll see who hurts more the next day.

Its about impulse more than anything - with the right technique its a lot
easier to get a smooth, soft landing with some momentum than a straight down
drop. Transitions help this even more with vector force angles and shiznit
like that.

Jon Bond

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Michael Dart said:

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the bike.
Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding speed may help
by keeping your forward momentum up to cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you drive two cars
off a cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60, they both hit the ground
after the same amount of time.

Ok, then we'll go to a 15 foot cliff. You can jump straight off.
I'll shoulder roll when I hit the ground. We'll see who hurts more
the next day.

Its about impulse more than anything - with the right technique its a
lot easier to get a smooth, soft landing with some momentum than a
straight down drop. Transitions help this even more with vector
force angles and shiznit like that.

Jon Bond

That's what I was trying to say. I should've said "cancel SOME of the
downward force". It's just that to me hitting a drop to flat with speed
'feels' less harsh on the landing.

Mike

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Michael Dart said:

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the bike.
Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding speed may help
by keeping your forward momentum up to cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you drive two cars off a
cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60, they both hit the ground after the same
amount of time.

Ok, then we'll go to a 15 foot cliff. You can jump straight off. I'll
shoulder roll when I hit the ground. We'll see who hurts more the next day.

Its about impulse more than anything - with the right technique its a lot
easier to get a smooth, soft landing with some momentum than a straight down
drop. Transitions help this even more with vector force angles and shiznit
like that.

Yep, with some speed and dropping rear wheel first you can slow your
momentum a bit as you let the front wheel drop.

Greg

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Michael Dart said:

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the bike.
Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding speed may help
by keeping your forward momentum up to cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you drive two cars off a
cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60, they both hit the ground after the same
amount of time.

But with drops, it's about vectors. 235 lbs with a 90 degree vector is a lot
different than the same mass with a 45 degree vector.

Glenn D.

Glenn Dowdy said:

"Doki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Michael Dart said:

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the bike.
Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding speed may help
by keeping your forward momentum up to cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you drive two cars off a
cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60, they both hit the ground after the same
amount of time.

But with drops, it's about vectors. 235 lbs with a 90 degree vector is a lot
different than the same mass with a 45 degree vector.

The vertical component is still the same whether your dropping at 90
degrees or 45 degrees. It's the way that you land that is important
because it takes some of the impact off of the drop. Trials riders can do
some sick drops to flat on full rigid trials bikes because they know how to
break their fall.

Greg

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Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the bike. Keep it

up

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and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding speed may help by keeping your
forward momentum up to cancel the downward force. I do four footers off a
stage that bottoms the fork very harshly. Do 6 to 9 footers and you'll

need

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to find a tranny to land in. Unless you like replacing rims, shocks,

frames

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etc.

Is this really true? I have been hitting the same drop as a test for any
new bike or spring/fork/shock. I have never had a problem with any fork or
shock (psylos with 3 diff springs kits, marz drop off, 2 different fox coil
overs and the now 5th) with no problems. The drop is from one parking lot
to another and in case I knock any teeth out it is behind my family dentist!

Once in awhile a paitient in the chair gets a surprise by me riding by the
window and dropping off! This happened last week when I was testing the
Bullit.

So anyway c'mon the 5th has got to take more than a fox coil over (2000
i-Drive)??? Right??