Bullit Ride Questions?

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Loomer <[email hidden]> typed:

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I got my Bullit together today (except for the 8" rotors I
put 6" on and am waiting for the adaptors) and rode some
urban tonight. I have a few questions.

Keep in mind that I have never ridden a 7" travel bike and
I am new in town so I don't know anyone around who does. I
haven't found a good lbs yet either.

I have my sag set on the Jt T's and 5th element (350#
spring) to 38%. I weigh 200lbs.

I went off a 4' drop to flat and took a good 5.5" on the
fork. Is this ok? I would like to do 6 to 9' drops before
I bottom out.

I put 150lbs. in the air chamber of the 5th and it doesn't
bob as long as I stay seated. Standing and hammering it
bobs. Is this normal? The forks bob like crazy, I assume
this is normal... true?

I stayed seated and hammered down the middle of some
railroad tracks and it was very very smooth and I was
impressed. Then I hammered back down on the large gravel
rail road track rocks it was like riding on pavement,
very cool.

Ideas, tips... any advice will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for all the help everyone has given so far I really
appreciate it.

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the
bike. Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding
speed may help by keeping your forward momentum up to cancel
the downward force. I do four footers off a stage that
bottoms the fork very harshly. Do 6 to 9 footers and you'll
need to find a tranny to land in. Unless you like replacing
rims, shocks, frames etc.

You can tune the 5th so it barely bobs when standing and
hammering just keep adusting the blow off settings. But you
may not like it for bunny hopping. The fork will bob anyway,
get used to it. It's not a XC rig.

Mike

Michael Dart said:

Do 6 to 9 footers and you'll need to find a tranny to
land in.

Cross-dressers always provide a soft landing...

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Doki said:

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Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the
bike. Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding
speed may help by keeping your forward momentum up to
cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you drive
two cars off a cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60, they
both hit the ground after the same amount of time.

Yep, because I often hit terminal velocity on the drop-
offs I do.

Muppet...

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Michael Dart said:

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out
the bike. Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element.
Adding speed may help by keeping your forward momentum
up to cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you drive
two cars off a cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60, they
both hit the ground after the same amount of time.

Ok, then we'll go to a 15 foot cliff. You can jump straight
off. I'll shoulder roll when I hit the ground. We'll see who
hurts more the next day.

Its about impulse more than anything - with the right
technique its a lot easier to get a smooth, soft landing
with some momentum than a straight down drop. Transitions
help this even more with vector force angles and shiznit
like that.

Jon Bond

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Michael Dart said:

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out
the bike. Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element.
Adding speed may help by keeping your forward momentum
up to cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you
drive two cars off a cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60,
they both hit the ground after the same amount of time.

Ok, then we'll go to a 15 foot cliff. You can jump
straight off. I'll shoulder roll when I hit the ground.
We'll see who hurts more the next day.

Its about impulse more than anything - with the right
technique its a lot easier to get a smooth, soft landing
with some momentum than a straight down drop. Transitions
help this even more with vector force angles and shiznit
like that.

Jon Bond

That's what I was trying to say. I should've said "cancel
SOME of the downward force". It's just that to me hitting a
drop to flat with speed 'feels' less harsh on the landing.

Mike

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Michael Dart said:

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the
bike. Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding
speed may help by keeping your forward momentum up to
cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you drive
two cars off a cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60, they
both hit the ground after the same amount of time.

Ok, then we'll go to a 15 foot cliff. You can jump
straight off. I'll shoulder roll when I hit the ground.
We'll see who hurts more the next day.

Its about impulse more than anything - with the right
technique its a lot easier to get a smooth, soft landing
with some momentum than a straight down drop. Transitions
help this even more with vector force angles and shiznit
like that.

Yep, with some speed and dropping rear wheel first you can
slow your momentum a bit as you let the front wheel drop.

Greg

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Michael Dart said:

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out
the bike. Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element.
Adding speed may help by keeping your forward momentum
up to cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you drive
two cars off a cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60, they
both hit the ground after the same amount of time.

But with drops, it's about vectors. 235 lbs with a 90 degree
vector is a lot different than the same mass with a 45
degree vector.

Glenn D.

Glenn Dowdy said:

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Michael Dart said:

Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the
bike. Keep it up and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding
speed may help by keeping your forward momentum up to
cancel the downward force

Speed doesn't slow down the rate you fall at. If you drive
two cars off a cliff, one at 30mph and one at 60, they
both hit the ground after the same amount of time.

But with drops, it's about vectors. 235 lbs with a 90
degree vector is a lot different than the same mass with a
45 degree vector.

The vertical component is still the same whether your
dropping at 90 degrees or 45 degrees. It's the way that you
land that is important because it takes some of the impact
off of the drop. Trials riders can do some sick drops to
flat on full rigid trials bikes because they know how to
break their fall.

Greg

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Four footers to flat will come close to bottoming out the
bike. Keep it

up

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and you'll blow the 5th element. Adding speed may help by
keeping your forward momentum up to cancel the downward
force. I do four footers off a stage that bottoms the fork
very harshly. Do 6 to 9 footers and you'll

need

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to find a tranny to land in. Unless you like replacing
rims, shocks,

frames

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etc.

Is this really true? I have been hitting the same drop as a
test for any new bike or spring/fork/shock. I have never had
a problem with any fork or shock (psylos with 3 diff springs
kits, marz drop off, 2 different fox coil overs and the now
5th) with no problems. The drop is from one parking lot to
another and in case I knock any teeth out it is behind my
family dentist!

Once in awhile a paitient in the chair gets a surprise by me
riding by the window and dropping off! This happened last
week when I was testing the Bullit.

So anyway c'mon the 5th has got to take more than a fox coil
over (2000 i-Drive)??? Right??