bulging disc:

I had a similar problem two years ago. Severe lower back pain after several weeks of hard climbing.
Pain so severe I could only noodle along after a while. I generally have tight muscles and have to
stretch a lot (warm up, stretch, warm down, stretch) Physician couldn't find anything terribly
wrong, but I suspect a good occasional soak in a hot tub or massage would have held it off. Sounds
like you're past that stage, though. I hung up the bike for 6 weeks to recover. It hasn't come back.
Best of luck.

Steve Leuty said:

I hope this is appropriate for this newsgroup. I'm 41 and have been training on the road as well
as racing since early spring. My form has been very good and have been winning/placing in the
top 3 in most races. Slowly but surely my back bagan giving my problems. I now can't ride/race
as I have been diagnosed with a "bulging disc in my lower back. The bike I've been using is new
to me (since June 2003). Could my positioning on the bike have caused my back problem? Thanks
Steve Leuty

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I've had similar problems with my back. My doctor prescribed vioxx and it has worked wonders.

Tony

Steve Leuty said:

I hope this is appropriate for this newsgroup. I'm 41 and have been training on the road as well
as racing since early spring. My form has been very good and have been winning/placing in the
top 3 in most races. Slowly but surely my back bagan giving my problems. I now can't ride/race
as I have been diagnosed with a "bulging disc in my lower back. The bike I've been using is new
to me (since June 2003). Could my positioning on the bike have caused my back problem? Thanks
Steve Leuty

I get lower back pain on the road bike but it hasn't been severe or chronic enough to take to a
doctor. Lifting seems to be helping (abs & back isolations, but I lift for other muscles as well).

I don't get this pain at all on my mtb, so it sounds like a position tweak is in order.

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I have a bulging disc in my neck and it does cause me problems on long rides with numbness going
down one arm. I have found if I don't hold the same position for long periods this will hold off the
pain and numbness.

I also have a doctor friend who had to start riding a recumbent bike so he could ride his pain
was so bad.

I suggest you talk to your doctor, I wouldn't mess with possible back injury.

Bob

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I hope this is appropriate for this newsgroup. I'm 41 and have been training on the road as well
as racing since early spring. My form has been very good and have been winning/placing in the
top 3 in most races. Slowly but surely my back bagan giving my problems. I now can't ride/race
as I have been diagnosed with a "bulging disc in my lower back. The bike I've been using is new
to me (since June 2003). Could my positioning on the bike have caused my back problem? Thanks
Steve Leuty

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it of course could be bad position. set your pos per recommended methods by top trainers. give your
body time to adjust to it also.

most likely it is due to the abs being weak and the IT bands tightening. then pulling your lower
back slightly out of whack. work weights all winter on abs, lower back, and solar plexus. you will
notice a big improvement by Jan if you start now.

I have 3 bulging discs in upper neck. I keep em in check by light weight lifting and stretching.
bulging disc are minor according to the orthopedist I have seen out here. one clinic being the
Steadman-Hawkins in Vail.

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it of course could be bad position. set your pos per recommended methods

by

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top trainers. give your body time to adjust to it also.

most likely it is due to the abs being weak and the IT bands tightening. then pulling your lower
back slightly out of whack. work weights all

winter

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on abs, lower back, and solar plexus. you will notice a big improvement by Jan if you start now.

How do you work your solar plexus with weights, my abs and lower back are in great shape.

I never knew that you could work the solar plexus by itself.

Dashii

"Steve Leuty" <[email hidden]> asks : "I have been diagnosed with a "bulging disc in my lower
back. The bike I've been using is new to me (since June 2003). Could my positioning on the bike have
caused my back problem?"

Disc herniation is caused by failure of the outer layer of the disc. Failure may happen because of
traumatic loading of the disc in an axial direction, such as a fall or lifting injury. Often there
is no trauma history. Although you position on the bike may worsen symptoms from disc herniation, it
did not cause the problem.

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Mike Murray MD

I had back problems and tried sit-ups to remedy the problem and it worked. Probable cause of my
back strain could have been poor sitting positions in my chair. I used to fold my leg in a half
lotus position while sitting all the time and I had to stop doing that. It was apparently
pinching my spine.

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I have 3 bulging discs in upper neck. I keep em in check by light weight lifting and stretching.

Could you please describe the weight lifting you do? I have a similar problem which is putting a
crimp in my road riding.

Regardless of the cause, you need to do the following:

Increase Hamstring flexibility Increase Back Strength Increase Abdominal strength Lose abdominal
weight if that is a problem for you

Position changes that you might find helpful:

Lower saddle Raise Handlebars Shorter stem

Michael Ross, MD www.bikedoctraining.com

So I've been told. Now I have to work this out since I'm not ready for early retirement from the
bike. steve

Mike Murray said:

"Steve Leuty" <[email hidden]> asks : "I have been diagnosed with a "bulging disc in my
lower back. The bike I've been using is new to me (since June 2003). Could my positioning on the
bike have caused my back problem?"

Disc herniation is caused by failure of the outer layer of the disc. Failure may happen because of
traumatic loading of the disc in an axial direction, such as a fall or lifting injury. Often there
is no trauma history. Although you position on the bike may worsen symptoms from disc herniation,
it did not cause the problem.

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I've been tweeking the adjustments of my bike. Thanks for the advise. steve

Michael said:

Regardless of the cause, you need to do the following:

Increase Hamstring flexibility Increase Back Strength Increase Abdominal strength Lose abdominal
weight if that is a problem for you

Position changes that you might find helpful:

Lower saddle Raise Handlebars Shorter stem

Michael Ross, MD www.bikedoctraining.com

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Michael said:

Regardless of the cause, you need to do the following:

Increase Hamstring flexibility Increase Back Strength Increase Abdominal strength Lose abdominal
weight if that is a problem for you

Position changes that you might find helpful:

Lower saddle Raise Handlebars Shorter stem

Michael Ross, MD www.bikedoctraining.com

At this point in time, I'm seeing a physical therapist and she is working to ease my pain and
suffering. I'm also doing some stretching (yes, hamstrings and the works). My back pain is
decreasing but the bulge is still there. I can feel it constantly. Is is a good idea to do back
strengthening with a bulging disc? I've not touched my bike in almost three weeks and have become
stagnant (lying on my couch with a heat pad on my lower back). I'm getting depressed and want to go
out and ride some but I'm affraid that might agrivate the injury even more. Steve Leuty

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Michael said:

Regardless of the cause, you need to do the following:

Increase Hamstring flexibility Increase Back Strength Increase Abdominal strength Lose abdominal
weight if that is a problem for you

Position changes that you might find helpful:

Lower saddle Raise Handlebars Shorter stem

Michael Ross, MD www.bikedoctraining.com

At this point in time, I'm seeing a physical therapist and she is working to ease my pain and
suffering. I'm also doing some stretching (yes, hamstrings and the works). My back pain is
decreasing but the bulge is still there. I can feel it constantly. Is is a good idea to do back
strengthening with a bulging disc? I've not touched my bike in almost three weeks and have become
stagnant (lying on my couch with a heat pad on my lower back). I'm getting depressed and want to
go out and ride some but I'm affraid that might agrivate the injury even more.

Michael's advice seems pretty sound, I would ride and if it gets worse with riding, take a couple of
days off and try again.

Dashii

Steve Leuty said:

heat pad on my lower back). I'm getting depressed and want to go out and ride some but I'm affraid
that might agrivate the injury even more. Steve Leuty

Then ride. Get an avenue cruiser if you need to, bar extenders on a mountain bike, whatever. I find
that if I *need* to ride, even [censored] pedaling like that feels great.

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It would be highly unlikely you could "feel" a budging disc with your hands, more likely tight
muscles around the spin due to guarding for weakness and/or disc pain.

Is it painful to touch, if so, then likely you need surgery. If not, you may be able to treat it
through agressive PT. Ask your PT about traction. If your disc doesn't have an external tear,
that can help.

Good luck.

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Michael said:

Regardless of the cause, you need to do the following:

Increase Hamstring flexibility Increase Back Strength Increase Abdominal strength Lose abdominal
weight if that is a problem for you

Position changes that you might find helpful:

Lower saddle Raise Handlebars Shorter stem

Michael Ross, MD www.bikedoctraining.com

At this point in time, I'm seeing a physical therapist and she is working to ease my pain and
suffering. I'm also doing some stretching (yes, hamstrings and the works). My back pain is
decreasing but the bulge is still there. I can feel it constantly. Is is a good idea to do back
strengthening with a bulging disc? I've not touched my bike in almost three weeks and have become
stagnant (lying on my couch with a heat pad on my lower back). I'm getting depressed and want to
go out and ride some but I'm affraid that might agrivate the injury even more. Steve Leuty

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Michael said:

Regardless of the cause, you need to do the following:

Increase Hamstring flexibility Increase Back Strength Increase Abdominal strength Lose abdominal
weight if that is a problem for you

Position changes that you might find helpful:

Lower saddle Raise Handlebars Shorter stem

Michael Ross, MD www.bikedoctraining.com

At this point in time, I'm seeing a physical therapist and she is working to ease my pain and
suffering. I'm also doing some stretching (yes, hamstrings and the works). My back pain is
decreasing but the bulge is still there. I can feel it constantly. Is is a good idea to do back
strengthening with a bulging disc? I've not touched my bike in almost three weeks and have become
stagnant (lying on my couch with a heat pad on my lower back).

I have been going through this for over a year now (from a car wreck).

I'm getting depressed and want to go out and

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ride some but I'm affraid that might agrivate the injury even more. Steve Leuty

My advice (on top of endorsing what Dr. Ross and your MDs have told you) is to stay in touch with
the bike using a stationary trainer to keep your fitness up beyond nil. Nothing feels worse than
having days and weeks pass where you have not turned a pedal. If you want to be safe, do stationary
rides and during those sessions you will sense how much your back can take. An addition, it will
make a tremendous difference in your fitness when you do hit the road. What you want to avoid at all
costs is losing all of your fitness and then trying to go out on the road without having even sat on
the bike for weeks or longer. Trust me, the stationary trainer is your bridge back to a normal life
with your bike when you are ready.

One more thing below...

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Michael said:

Regardless of the cause, you need to do the following:

Increase Hamstring flexibility Increase Back Strength Increase Abdominal strength Lose abdominal
weight if that is a problem for you

Position changes that you might find helpful:

Lower saddle Raise Handlebars Shorter stem

When looking at reach (to accomadate injuries), people usually go to the stem first. In this case,
your back may respond better of you look at saddle position first (before stem length) to adjust
reach. Sometimes the seat angle is what is putting pressure on your back and it feels like the stem
length would solve it.

Try pushing the saddle forward a bit first and then adjust the stem if necessary.

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