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  1. I don't have a whole lot of review to give yet since I've promised to
    ride the bike gentle until the Head Mechanic gets back on Tuesday.

    I trust the bike shop manager, second mechanic, and trainee not to be
    blithering idiots. I've known the three of them for quite some time
    and I also know enough about bikes to see that they didn't make any
    glaring mistakes but a promise is a promise.

    My first attempt at anodizing it failed because the 9-volt batteries
    I'd bought were [censored]. The second attempt at anodizing it failed
    because I wasn't willing to complete rewire my friend Jason's e-bike
    battery pack to get the voltages I did want. The third attempt at
    anodizing it was performed with an audience of literally dozens in a
    motorcycle repair shop in a small town outside the Hainan Provincial
    High Level Sports Training Academy. With clever use of coca cola,
    tide washing powder, and sandpaper as well as two twelve volt
    batteries, and some jumper cables, an irridescent purple mottled with
    blue and bronze was achieved. Unfortunately, despite the cast of
    many, I was the only person with a camera of any kind (my cameraphone)
    and very few photos were taken.

    I then got my old race bike (a second-hand mostly aluminum frame with
    carbon seatstays and chainstays), slung the frame over my shoulder,
    and biked to the bike shop.

    Future plans to eventually get a shiny pretty Chris King headset in a
    complimentary color and maybe hubs to make wheels to go with were
    immediately thrown out when it was discovered that the somewhat
    acceptable Cane Creek headset on the old frame was incompatible with
    the new frame. Now that I have a very nice brand new FSA headset I'm
    not especially likely to go around buying a new headset anytime soon.
    And if I don't have a reason to have a King headset my blingbling
    purty reason for getting matching King hubs goes away.

    The mismatched components from being sold a race bike with a handful
    of old training parts on it were mostly replaced. Per the
    recommendations of rec.bicycles.tech I went with an Ultegra double.
    Per the recommendations of the Merida China mechanic I spent a large
    amount of the Tour of Qinghai Lake geeking with I chose 105 for the
    brakes and front derailleur. The 105 rear derailleur and 105 ten-
    speed cassette were chosen for the purely practical reasons of 'being
    what was in the store at the time'. Although Ultegra brifters were on
    sale the 105 brifters I already had were barely touched when I got the
    bike and I decided to keep them...besides which when it comes to
    brifters I like the handfeel of Dura-Ace better than Ultegra. I also
    kept the original Shimano 550 wheels that came with the old bike.

    I also got mixed carbon-aluminum handlebars that have the comfortable
    flat top found on fancy carbon bars without the fancy price tag, and
    an oversized carbon stem.

    I still need a new saddle (on order), a carbon seat-post (on order), a
    proper seatbolt (on order), and the frame decals.

    I am not a proponent of custom geometry.

    I think the whole idea of custom geometry is silly.

    But Mark at Habanero Cycles was very insistent that I was not a
    perfect fit for their smallest stock frame and equally insistent that
    their very first customer in Mainland China ought to get something
    perfect.

    I thought this was entirely unneccesary overkill that meant the
    purchase of The Bike took an extra six months. I wouldn't have done
    it if he hadn't been so thoroughly insistent. I wouldn't have done it
    if he hadn't given me such a deep special discount for being the first
    customer in Mainland China.

    I would not say that I have an especially short torso but at 5'6" I am
    short enough to want 'small' in most bikes and because I'm female I'm
    carrying weight on my chest that makes me want the bars up a little
    higher.

    I have, so far, ridden the bike somewhat less than 20km. Slowly.
    Because I made a promise to the shop not to stress test it until after
    the head mechanic got back.

    But wow.

    Even though this bike is supposed to be the race bike and even though
    this bike is set-up so that it needs to have the funny shoes and
    padded shorts ... I have a feeling this bike is going to get more use
    than the other two bikes. A lot more use. Enough of a lot more use
    that I may have to follow up on that guy in Shenzhen who does custom
    steel bikes so that the very nice sport touring set up I have on the
    other road bike can be used.

    I won't go so far as to say it is the nicest bicycle I've ever
    ridden. That remains the bicycle that a member of the Japanese
    National Team let me try out at last year's Tour of Hainan.

    But it fits. It fits so well that I'm actually thinking of turning
    the stem down. My resting position has my hands perfectly on the
    brake-hoods. Down on the drops is a bit strange feeling because my
    hands are naturally right there in that bumpy ergonomic hook space and
    I can't push them forward because they are already where they are
    supposed to be.

    -M

  2. email hidden said:

    I don't have a whole lot of review to give yet since I've promised to
    ride the bike gentle until the Head Mechanic gets back on Tuesday.

    I trust the bike shop manager, second mechanic, and trainee not to be
    blithering idiots. I've known the three of them for quite some time
    and I also know enough about bikes to see that they didn't make any
    glaring mistakes but a promise is a promise.

    My first attempt at anodizing it failed because the 9-volt batteries
    I'd bought were [censored]. The second attempt at anodizing it failed
    because I wasn't willing to complete rewire my friend Jason's e-bike
    battery pack to get the voltages I did want. The third attempt at
    anodizing it was performed with an audience of literally dozens in a
    motorcycle repair shop in a small town outside the Hainan Provincial
    High Level Sports Training Academy. With clever use of coca cola,
    tide washing powder, and sandpaper as well as two twelve volt
    batteries, and some jumper cables, an irridescent purple mottled with
    blue and bronze was achieved. Unfortunately, despite the cast of
    many, I was the only person with a camera of any kind (my cameraphone)
    and very few photos were taken.

    I then got my old race bike (a second-hand mostly aluminum frame with
    carbon seatstays and chainstays), slung the frame over my shoulder,
    and biked to the bike shop.

    Future plans to eventually get a shiny pretty Chris King headset in a
    complimentary color and maybe hubs to make wheels to go with were
    immediately thrown out when it was discovered that the somewhat
    acceptable Cane Creek headset on the old frame was incompatible with
    the new frame. Now that I have a very nice brand new FSA headset I'm
    not especially likely to go around buying a new headset anytime soon.
    And if I don't have a reason to have a King headset my blingbling
    purty reason for getting matching King hubs goes away.

    The mismatched components from being sold a race bike with a handful
    of old training parts on it were mostly replaced. Per the
    recommendations of rec.bicycles.tech I went with an Ultegra double.
    Per the recommendations of the Merida China mechanic I spent a large
    amount of the Tour of Qinghai Lake geeking with I chose 105 for the
    brakes and front derailleur. The 105 rear derailleur and 105 ten-
    speed cassette were chosen for the purely practical reasons of 'being
    what was in the store at the time'. Although Ultegra brifters were on
    sale the 105 brifters I already had were barely touched when I got the
    bike and I decided to keep them...besides which when it comes to
    brifters I like the handfeel of Dura-Ace better than Ultegra. I also
    kept the original Shimano 550 wheels that came with the old bike.

    I also got mixed carbon-aluminum handlebars that have the comfortable
    flat top found on fancy carbon bars without the fancy price tag, and
    an oversized carbon stem.

    I still need a new saddle (on order), a carbon seat-post (on order), a
    proper seatbolt (on order), and the frame decals.

    I am not a proponent of custom geometry.

    I think the whole idea of custom geometry is silly.

    But Mark at Habanero Cycles was very insistent that I was not a
    perfect fit for their smallest stock frame and equally insistent that
    their very first customer in Mainland China ought to get something
    perfect.

    I thought this was entirely unneccesary overkill that meant the
    purchase of The Bike took an extra six months. I wouldn't have done
    it if he hadn't been so thoroughly insistent. I wouldn't have done it
    if he hadn't given me such a deep special discount for being the first
    customer in Mainland China.

    I would not say that I have an especially short torso but at 5'6" I am
    short enough to want 'small' in most bikes and because I'm female I'm
    carrying weight on my chest that makes me want the bars up a little
    higher.

    I have, so far, ridden the bike somewhat less than 20km. Slowly.
    Because I made a promise to the shop not to stress test it until after
    the head mechanic got back.

    But wow.

    Even though this bike is supposed to be the race bike and even though
    this bike is set-up so that it needs to have the funny shoes and
    padded shorts ... I have a feeling this bike is going to get more use
    than the other two bikes. A lot more use. Enough of a lot more use
    that I may have to follow up on that guy in Shenzhen who does custom
    steel bikes so that the very nice sport touring set up I have on the
    other road bike can be used.

    I won't go so far as to say it is the nicest bicycle I've ever
    ridden. That remains the bicycle that a member of the Japanese
    National Team let me try out at last year's Tour of Hainan.

    But it fits. It fits so well that I'm actually thinking of turning
    the stem down. My resting position has my hands perfectly on the
    brake-hoods. Down on the drops is a bit strange feeling because my
    hands are naturally right there in that bumpy ergonomic hook space and
    I can't push them forward because they are already where they are
    supposed to be.

    -M

    Can you explain the anodizing? Sounds interesting!

  3. On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:57:10 -0700, [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:


    Can you explain the anodizing? Sounds interesting!

    Basically you run a current through the piece submersed in a
    non-conductive tank of electrolyte solution. Different voltages
    produce the different colours.

    http://mrtitanium.com/anodizing.html
    --
    zk

  4. Zoot Katz said:

    On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:57:10 -0700, [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Can you explain the anodizing? Sounds interesting!

    Basically you run a current through the piece submersed in a
    non-conductive tank of electrolyte solution. Different voltages
    produce the different colours.

    http://mrtitanium.com/anodizing.html
    --
    zk

    Mmmm, got any pics of the effects on a bike frame? Would this have any
    detrimental effects on the frame?

    Donga

  5. Quoted message said:
    Zoot Katz said:

    On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:57:10 -0700, [email hidden]
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Can you explain the anodizing? Sounds interesting!

    Quoted message said:

    Basically you run a current through the piece submersed in a
    non-conductive tank of electrolyte solution. Different voltages
    produce the different colours.

    Quoted message said:

    http://mrtitanium.com/anodizing.html

    You don't even need to have a tank. You can clip one electrode to one
    end of the frame and wrap an electrolyte solution (in my case Coca
    Cola mixed with Tide soap powder) soaked cloth around the other
    electrode and 'paint' with it.

    Quoted message said:

    Mmmm, got any pics of the effects on a bike frame?

    Only good pics I have (so far) of the effects on a bike frame are
    professionally done by an artist who specializes in anodizing titanium
    bike frames. My favorites are these two:

    http://www.titaniumarts.com/media/bikeart/ano/planets.jpg
    http://www.titaniumarts.com/media/bikeart/ano/splatter.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    Would this have any detrimental effects on the frame?

    Only if you manage to monumentally screw up. But It would be
    difficult to screw up sufficiently enough to actually damage the
    frame.

    I've got a small raised spot on the downtube near the water bottle
    cage from the drop of molten titanium that came off of the top tube
    when I didn't notice that the cloth wasn't completely wrapped around
    the electrode and I managed to make a spark. This can be sanded off
    and is no problem. It's covered by the water bottle cage and I don't
    care. The corresponding mini-dimple on the top tube, however, is ...
    annoying ... and I am currently in search of a solution for making it
    invisible.

    One thing about anodizing though is that it produces an oil on water
    mottled look. The artist Leni Fried says that "[she] find[s] the
    effect to be too subtle [and] usually recommend[s] doing a series of
    fades, patterns, images and graphics so the frame has more contrast
    and areas of interest." Personally I think her fades, patterns,
    images and graphics are beautiful but too much. I'm a 'less is more'
    kind of person and when I finally set brush to paper (or coca cola to
    bike as it were) I didn't sufficiently trust my skills to try doing
    patterns. As it is my bike is a irridescent 24 volt purple with a
    bunch of places where I then scratched the frame up with sand paper
    and re-anodized it an irridescent 12 volt gold.

    Even if you were to dip-anodize a whole bike frame to get exactly the
    same wavelength all over the bike you'd still end up with a subtle
    mottled look because different parts of the frame are farther or
    closer away and are reflecting different light.

    So far I've only had two people say that they don't like the color of
    my bike. One of them thinks it looks like the color of oil on water.
    The other one says purple is an inherently ugly color.

    -M

  6. aka Marian Rosenberg said:

    ...
    I have, so far, ridden the bike somewhat less than 20km. Slowly.
    Because I made a promise to the shop not to stress test it until after
    the head mechanic got back.

    But wow.

    Even though this bike is supposed to be the race bike and even though
    this bike is set-up so that it needs to have the funny shoes and
    padded shorts ... I have a feeling this bike is going to get more use
    than the other two bikes. A lot more use. Enough of a lot more use
    that I may have to follow up on that guy in Shenzhen who does custom
    steel bikes so that the very nice sport touring set up I have on the
    other road bike can be used.

    I won't go so far as to say it is the nicest bicycle I've ever
    ridden. That remains the bicycle that a member of the Japanese
    National Team let me try out at last year's Tour of Hainan.

    But it fits. It fits so well that I'm actually thinking of turning
    the stem down. My resting position has my hands perfectly on the
    brake-hoods. Down on the drops is a bit strange feeling because my
    hands are naturally right there in that bumpy ergonomic hook space and
    I can't push them forward because they are already where they are
    supposed to be.

    I would have expected the bicycle to pull strongly to the right.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  7. [quote="'email hidden'"]

    Quoted message said:

    On Oct 1, 5:46 am, Zoot Katz <[email hidden]> wrote:



    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:57:10 -0700, [email hidden]
    wrote:



    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Can you explain the anodizing? Sounds interesting!



    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Basically you run a current through the piece submersed in a
    non-conductive tank of electrolyte solution. Different voltages
    produce the different colours.



    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://mrtitanium.com/anodizing.html



    You don't even need to have a tank. You can clip one electrode to one
    end of the frame and wrap an electrolyte solution (in my case Coca
    Cola mixed with Tide soap powder) soaked cloth around the other
    electrode and 'paint' with it.

    Quoted message said:

    Mmmm, got any pics of the effects on a bike frame?



    Only good pics I have (so far) of the effects on a bike frame are
    professionally done by an artist who specializes in anodizing titanium
    bike frames. My favorites are these two:

    http://www.titaniumarts.com/media/bikeart/ano/planets.jpghttp://www.titaniumarts.com/media/bikeart/ano/splatter.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    Would this have any detrimental effects on the frame?



    Only if you manage to monumentally screw up. But It would be
    difficult to screw up sufficiently enough to actually damage the
    frame.

    I've got a small raised spot on the downtube near the water bottle
    cage from the drop of molten titanium that came off of the top tube
    when I didn't notice that the cloth wasn't completely wrapped around
    the electrode and I managed to make a spark. This can be sanded off
    and is no problem. It's covered by the water bottle cage and I don't
    care. The corresponding mini-dimple on the top tube, however, is ...
    annoying ... and I am currently in search of a solution for making it
    invisible.

    One thing about anodizing though is that it produces an oil on water
    mottled look. The artist Leni Fried says that "[she] find[s] the
    effect to be too subtle [and] usually recommend[s] doing a series of
    fades, patterns, images and graphics so the frame has more contrast
    and areas of interest." Personally I think her fades, patterns,
    images and graphics are beautiful but too much. I'm a 'less is more'
    kind of person and when I finally set brush to paper (or coca cola to
    bike as it were) I didn't sufficiently trust my skills to try doing
    patterns. As it is my bike is a irridescent 24 volt purple with a
    bunch of places where I then scratched the frame up with sand paper
    and re-anodized it an irridescent 12 volt gold.

    Even if you were to dip-anodize a whole bike frame to get exactly the
    same wavelength all over the bike you'd still end up with a subtle
    mottled look because different parts of the frame are farther or
    closer away and are reflecting different light.

    So far I've only had two people say that they don't like the color of
    my bike. One of them thinks it looks like the color of oil on water.
    The other one says purple is an inherently ugly color.

    -M[/quote]

    Recently I built up an older Litespeed Classic into an SS/fixie and it
    is so much fun, my road and MTB have been sitting in the garage. I had
    been thinking to strip it soon for some new stickers and a new
    headset. I wonder if I'm game to do some anodizing! It's already the
    coolest commuter in town, but anodized (like the pics) it would rule.

    Purple an ugly colour? Obviously this is a person with issues.

    Donga

  8. Here's a good link for small anodizing jobs with stencils:
    http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/3f178ca927d05010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

  9. [quote="Quoted message"]On Oct 1, 11:50 pm, "[email hidden]"





    Quoted message said:

    On Oct 1, 11:43 am, [email hidden] wrote:



    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Oct 1, 5:46 am, Zoot Katz <[email hidden]> wrote:



    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:57:10 -0700, [email hidden]
    > wrote:



    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >Can you explain the anodizing? Sounds interesting!



    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Basically you run a current through the piece submersed in a
    > non-conductive tank of electrolyte solution. Different voltages
    > produce the different colours.



    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >http://mrtitanium.com/anodizing.html



    Quoted message said:

    You don't even need to have a tank. You can clip one electrode to one
    end of the frame and wrap an electrolyte solution (in my case Coca
    Cola mixed with Tide soap powder) soaked cloth around the other
    electrode and 'paint' with it.



    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Mmmm, got any pics of the effects on a bike frame?



    Quoted message said:

    Only good pics I have (so far) of the effects on a bike frame are
    professionally done by an artist who specializes in anodizing titanium
    bike frames. My favorites are these two:



    Quoted message said:

    http://www.titaniumarts.com/media/bikeart/ano/planets.jpghttp://www.t...



    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Would this have any detrimental effects on the frame?



    Quoted message said:

    Only if you manage to monumentally screw up. But It would be
    difficult to screw up sufficiently enough to actually damage the
    frame.



    Quoted message said:

    I've got a small raised spot on the downtube near the water bottle
    cage from the drop of molten titanium that came off of the top tube
    when I didn't notice that the cloth wasn't completely wrapped around
    the electrode and I managed to make a spark. This can be sanded off
    and is no problem. It's covered by the water bottle cage and I don't
    care. The corresponding mini-dimple on the top tube, however, is ...
    annoying ... and I am currently in search of a solution for making it
    invisible.



    [quote="Quoted message"]One thing about anodizing though is that it produces an oil on water
    mottled look. The artist Leni Fried says that "[she] find[s] the
    effect to be too subtle [and] usually recommend[s] doing a series of
    fades, patterns, images and graphics so the frame has more contrast
    and areas of interest." Personally I think her fades, patterns,
    images and graphics are beautiful but too much. I'm a 'less is more'
    kind of person and when I finally set brush to paper (or coca cola to
    bike as it were) I didn't sufficiently trust my skills to try doing
    patterns. As it is my bike is a irridescent 24 volt purple with a
    bunch of places where I then scratched the frame up with sand paper
    and re-anodized it an irridescent 12 volt gold.[/quote]

    Quoted message said:

    Even if you were to dip-anodize a whole bike frame to get exactly the
    same wavelength all over the bike you'd still end up with a subtle
    mottled look because different parts of the frame are farther or
    closer away and are reflecting different light.



    Quoted message said:

    So far I've only had two people say that they don't like the color of
    my bike. One of them thinks it looks like the color of oil on water.
    The other one says purple is an inherently ugly color.



    Quoted message said:

    -M



    Recently I built up an older Litespeed Classic into an SS/fixie and it
    is so much fun, my road and MTB have been sitting in the garage. I had
    been thinking to strip it soon for some new stickers and a new
    headset. I wonder if I'm game to do some anodizing! It's already the
    coolest commuter in town, but anodized (like the pics) it would rule.[/quote]

    Leni Fried style anodizing requires a LOT of work.

    But coca cola and tide (borax would be preferrable but I couldn't find
    it) is pretty alright.

    Quoted message said:

    Purple an ugly colour? Obviously this is a person with issues.



    Yep.

    One of my housemates[1] has also pointed out that the color is not
    especially even, found every single place where I made a short circuit
    and sparks (we're talking near invisible damage), and let me know that
    my saddle isn't actually level[2]. He also critiqued the mechanic's
    skill[3] with regards to how my cables are routed on the handlebars.

    -M

    [1] I don't usually have housemates that aren't four footed and furry
    but, my Haikou job with the bike race has me sharing an apartment with
    two others including one of the Chinese commissaires.
    [2] He pointed this out to me on a different bike around this time
    last year. I completely failed to see anything wrong at that time but
    dutifully made the incremental change and the bike got lots more
    comfortable. I can only seen the non-level-ness of this saddle when I
    stare at it for a long time and even then it isn't easy (for me) to
    notice.
    [3] Said mechanic having been employed by Shimano for a whole six days
    at this point I don't really expect perfection and, as previously
    mentioned, am already treating the bike light until the head mechanic
    gets home.

  10. Quoted message said:

    Here's a good link for small anodizing jobs with stencils:http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/3f178ca927d05010vgnvcm1000004eecbc...

    I know about the link. So far I'm not doing a very good job with
    getting stencils I like.

    -M

  11. email hidden said:
    Quoted message said:

    Here's a good link for small anodizing jobs with stencils:http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/3f178ca927d05010vgnvcm1000004eecbc...

    I know about the link. So far I'm not doing a very good job with
    getting stencils I like.

    -M

    I have to leave that sort of stuff to people with right-brains (or is
    that left?). I bet there's a pile of stencils on the net. My wife
    probably has books on them - she has one on macrame, one on tie-
    dyeing, and one on candle-making, so anything is possible. Then you
    could get them cut at a sticker shop?

    Donga

  12. This one looks pretty good:
    http://www.stencil-library.com/

  13. Quoted message said:

    On Oct 2, 6:32 pm, "[email hidden]"

    Quoted message said:

    On Oct 2, 12:16 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Here's a good link for small anodizing jobs with stencils:http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/3f178ca927d05010vgnvcm1000004eecbc...

    Quoted message said:

    I know about the link. So far I'm not doing a very good job with
    getting stencils I like.

    Quoted message said:

    -M

    I have to leave that sort of stuff to people with right-brains (or is
    that left?). I bet there's a pile of stencils on the net. My wife
    probably has books on them - she has one on macrame, one on tie-
    dyeing, and one on candle-making, so anything is possible. Then you
    could get them cut at a sticker shop?

    Printed off Habanero's logos (Mark was nice enough to send me
    pictures), took them to the sticker shop which then re-scanned them
    into their computer, made all the points that the cutting machine
    should follow, and cut me some stickers.

    I then tried to put the stickers around the letters onto the bike so I
    could anodize the logo itself (remember I'm trying to fill in the logo
    place with a different color than the rest of the bike) and failed to
    get a smooth enough match to be confident with putting what amounts to
    permanent color on my bike frame.

    I'm going to try again because I think irridescent shiny blue Habanero
    logos will look better than the official yellow and red stickers that
    Mark will otherwise mail to me but I'm looking for perfection and I
    wasn't able to get that with the most recent attempt.

    (On the other hand my stickers only cost me 5rmb)

    -M

  14. email hidden said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Oct 2, 6:32 pm, "[email hidden]"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Oct 2, 12:16 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Here's a good link for small anodizing jobs with stencils:http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/3f178ca927d05010vgnvcm1000004eecbc...

    Quoted message said:
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    I know about the link. So far I'm not doing a very good job with
    getting stencils I like.

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    -M

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    I have to leave that sort of stuff to people with right-brains (or is
    that left?). I bet there's a pile of stencils on the net. My wife
    probably has books on them - she has one on macrame, one on tie-
    dyeing, and one on candle-making, so anything is possible. Then you
    could get them cut at a sticker shop?

    Printed off Habanero's logos (Mark was nice enough to send me
    pictures), took them to the sticker shop which then re-scanned them
    into their computer, made all the points that the cutting machine
    should follow, and cut me some stickers.

    I then tried to put the stickers around the letters onto the bike so I
    could anodize the logo itself (remember I'm trying to fill in the logo
    place with a different color than the rest of the bike) and failed to
    get a smooth enough match to be confident with putting what amounts to
    permanent color on my bike frame.

    I'm going to try again because I think irridescent shiny blue Habanero
    logos will look better than the official yellow and red stickers that
    Mark will otherwise mail to me but I'm looking for perfection and I
    wasn't able to get that with the most recent attempt.

    (On the other hand my stickers only cost me 5rmb)

    -M

    A nice bike treatment I saw was a Rewel ti frame (http://
    www.rewel.com/) that had 'REWEL' etched in the tube - much classier
    than stickers. I did a little reading and saw that etching Ti is nasty
    - hydrofluoric acid if I recall rightly.

    Please update this thread when you've tried it out - am interested to
    try it myself.

    Donga

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    On Oct 3, 10:40 pm, "[email hidden]"

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    On Oct 2, 5:33 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

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    On Oct 2, 6:32 pm, "[email hidden]"

    Quoted message said:
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    <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > On Oct 2, 12:16 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
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    > > Here's a good link for small anodizing jobs with stencils:http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/3f178ca927d05010vgnvcm1000004eecbc...

    Quoted message said:
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    > I know about the link. So far I'm not doing a very good job with
    > getting stencils I like.

    Quoted message said:
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    > -M

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have to leave that sort of stuff to people with right-brains (or is
    that left?). I bet there's a pile of stencils on the net. My wife
    probably has books on them - she has one on macrame, one on tie-
    dyeing, and one on candle-making, so anything is possible. Then you
    could get them cut at a sticker shop?

    Quoted message said:

    Printed off Habanero's logos (Mark was nice enough to send me
    pictures), took them to the sticker shop which then re-scanned them
    into their computer, made all the points that the cutting machine
    should follow, and cut me some stickers.

    Quoted message said:

    I then tried to put the stickers around the letters onto the bike so I
    could anodize the logo itself (remember I'm trying to fill in the logo
    place with a different color than the rest of the bike) and failed to
    get a smooth enough match to be confident with putting what amounts to
    permanent color on my bike frame.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm going to try again because I think irridescent shiny blue Habanero
    logos will look better than the official yellow and red stickers that
    Mark will otherwise mail to me but I'm looking for perfection and I
    wasn't able to get that with the most recent attempt.

    Quoted message said:

    (On the other hand my stickers only cost me 5rmb)

    Quoted message said:

    -M

    A nice bike treatment I saw was a Rewel ti frame (http://www.rewel.com/) that had 'REWEL' etched in the tube - much classier
    than stickers. I did a little reading and saw that etching Ti is nasty
    - hydrofluoric acid if I recall rightly.

    Please update this thread when you've tried it out - am interested to
    try it myself.

    Considering that I did my anodizing with a mix of coca cola and tide
    do you _really_ think I'm likely to want to mess around with
    hydrofluoric acid??

    -M

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    Quoted message said:

    On Oct 3, 10:40 pm, "[email hidden]"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Oct 2, 5:33 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > On Oct 2, 6:32 pm, "[email hidden]"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > On Oct 2, 12:16 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
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    > > > Here's a good link for small anodizing jobs with stencils:http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/3f178ca927d05010vgnvcm1000004eecbc...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > I know about the link. So far I'm not doing a very good job with
    > > getting stencils I like.

    Quoted message said:
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    > > -M

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I have to leave that sort of stuff to people with right-brains (or is
    > that left?). I bet there's a pile of stencils on the net. My wife
    > probably has books on them - she has one on macrame, one on tie-
    > dyeing, and one on candle-making, so anything is possible. Then you
    > could get them cut at a sticker shop?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Printed off Habanero's logos (Mark was nice enough to send me
    pictures), took them to the sticker shop which then re-scanned them
    into their computer, made all the points that the cutting machine
    should follow, and cut me some stickers.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I then tried to put the stickers around the letters onto the bike so I
    could anodize the logo itself (remember I'm trying to fill in the logo
    place with a different color than the rest of the bike) and failed to
    get a smooth enough match to be confident with putting what amounts to
    permanent color on my bike frame.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm going to try again because I think irridescent shiny blue Habanero
    logos will look better than the official yellow and red stickers that
    Mark will otherwise mail to me but I'm looking for perfection and I
    wasn't able to get that with the most recent attempt.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (On the other hand my stickers only cost me 5rmb)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    -M

    Quoted message said:

    A nice bike treatment I saw was a Rewel ti frame (http://www.rewel.com/) that had 'REWEL' etched in the tube - much classier
    than stickers. I did a little reading and saw that etching Ti is nasty
    - hydrofluoric acid if I recall rightly.

    Quoted message said:

    Please update this thread when you've tried it out - am interested to
    try it myself.

    Considering that I did my anodizing with a mix of coca cola and tide
    do you _really_ think I'm likely to want to mess around with
    hydrofluoric acid??

    -M

    As you say, wouldn't touch it! Looking further at the Rewel site, I
    think they sandblast the lettering, not etch.

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