I've taken to wearing Paramo Viento kit (over a base layer) in any season except summer, and am a convert. "Normal" Paramo kit, as Pete rightly said, is very warm, and the Viento range was designed to be lighter and for higher temperatures. I too "run hot", but find I can control the temperature of the Viento about as well as a layering system, and much more conveniently.
I tried their 3rd Element jacket with all sorts of clever airflow thingies, which they reckoned okay to 25C. I had to take it off going up the wee Buchaille at about 10C 'cause I was about to burst into flame :-(
But different strokes for different folks. I know several folk who use the stuff and are *very* happy with it.
Pete. -- Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden] dundee.ac.uk~pjclinchOpen ↗
True enough. Notice that I said they convert to shorts, not that they converted to fantastically fashionable ones! :-)
With regard to temperatures, I think I could probably wear the Viento stuff up to about 12 Celsius if active. I dread to think what it would be like at 25 Celsius!
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> What are the advantages of Buffalo type tops?
Light weight.
The list of disadvantages is a good deal longer.
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Too warm when you exercise. Too cold when you don't. Gets sweaty very quickly when you exercise - and tends towards smelliness much more than fleece/goretex. No protection against serious rain. Or serious anything else.
Very comprehensive! I've never so much as seen a Buffalo top. Is it like Paramo? --
Very comprehensive! I've never so much as seen a Buffalo top. Is it like Paramo?
You almost certainly have, though not realised it. They've been a fairly staple feature of UK hill clothing since at least back into the mid 80s, possibly longer. Typically sky blue, purple or olive green, a pullover top with side vent zips and a kangaroo pocket. Successful enough to have spawned a host of clones.
It's not meant to be waterproof, which Paramo is. The Paramo Velez top (and the original Nevada top they made) are quite close in overall layout to a Buffalo top.
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> > What are the advantages of Buffalo type tops? > > Light weight. > > The list of disadvantages is a good deal longer.
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Too warm when you exercise. Too cold when you don't. Gets sweaty very quickly when you exercise - and tends towards smelliness much more than fleece/goretex. No protection against serious rain. Or serious anything else.
Very comprehensive! I've never so much as seen a Buffalo top. Is it like Paramo?
Sounds like my Paramo anyway. I use it as a mid layer in winter, and as an outer layer in summer. It's not bad, could do with another pocket and is no good in rain as others have said. It packs down to a very small size.
> No protection against serious rain. Or serious > anything else.
But great in yer average conditions (as long as it is cold enough that you don't overheat)
Aye, that is a point. Why would you wear a buffalo in serious rain anyway. That would be a typical example of ill- equiped outdoor enthusiast. In fact why would you be out at all in serious rain? Huh?
Is this the factory shop at Ashington, Steve? If so are there any bargains. What's the prices like?
Yes it is in Ashuntun
Which county is Ashington in? I can find three on Autoroute (and if it's the one in Somerset then I could pop in on Friday as I'll be within 20 miles).
I've had a Montane jacket for about ten years and, apart from the puller coming off both ends of the zip, it's been brilliant. I might go for an over-the-head one this time....... although I do find I can only wear the jacket in the depths of winter as it's very warm.
My track suit keeps me warm and comfortable when wet. As does fleece. Either of them have additional advantages, like staying dry in anything short of heavy rain (the buffalo gets drenched in sweat regardless) and smelling a lot better during/after use. The buffalo, by contrast, makes it very hard to stay warm if you stop exercising, and even makes a change of clothes problematic due to being drenched in sweat.
Mmm getting cold in a buffalo, jump up and down a bit. When too hot use those zip things that go all the way up both sides. Didn't you get the 30 page instruction book ? -- Muzz reply to muzz and not slash
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Very comprehensive! I've never so much as seen a Buffalo top. Is it like Paramo?
You almost certainly have, though not realised it. They've been a fairly staple feature of UK hill clothing since at least back into the mid 80s, possibly longer.
You're probably right. But although I walk frequently, I go solo, & very rarely stray into Munro territory, so I have surprisingly little opportunity to gauge what the well- dressed walker is wearing these days. Perhaps I should have said that I don't recall ever seeing anything labelled as Buffalo in Tiso or Blacks, which is where I normally buy stuff. I recently bought a pair of Paramo trousers online, mainly because I couldn't find them in any shops. When I asked an acquaintance who works for Tiso why they didn't stock Paramo he said it was for 'historical reasons'. Maybe the same applies to Buffalo. --
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Too warm when you exercise. Too cold when you don't. Gets sweaty very quickly when you exercise - and tends towards smelliness much more than fleece/goretex. No protection against serious rain. Or serious anything else.
Very comprehensive! I've never so much as seen a Buffalo top. Is it like Paramo?
Sounds like my Paramo anyway. I use it as a mid layer in winter, and as an outer layer in summer. It's not bad, could do with another pocket and is no good in rain as others have said.
I take it you mean it leaks more than would be comfortable? I've recently invested in a pair of Paramo trousers, which have impressed me greatly. I have a pathological dislike of walking in overtrousers, with the inevitable result that I frequently fall into the trap of not putting them on till I'm soaked already. I also grudge lugging half-a-kilo of plastic around on dry days. So I'm very please with my new Cascada; but admittedly I've not had the chance to try them out in a really good downpour.
I'll pop in sometime in the near future. I live just south of the Tyne, so I'll have to spend a pound getting through the tunnel, drat!
Jhimmy.
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Is this the factory shop at Ashington, Steve? If so are there any
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What's the prices like?
Yes it is in Ashuntun, the prices are pretty good overall tho' there's no guarantee what stock they'll have; stock at the mo' is pretty good but I've been in when its been the opposite. Picked up one of those soopa-doopa almost-weighs- nothing Pertex jackets on my visit @ 30UKP instead of 50 (I went for the Lite-Speed the one with the hood... visions of freezin' me **nads off on a spring-time belay, getting caught short without a jacket by balmy spring sunshine was the motivation ;-) The other jacket, no hood, is 25ukp
Am just back from a day's walking (7 hrs) in the Wicklow mountains in Ireland - boy was I delighted to have my Buffalo. Only one layer for the full day and the wind gusted up to 50 mph - according to weather reports. However, a particularly heavy and prolonged shower had me putting on a goretex top layer for a short while - resulting in the inside being soaked by the wicking from the Buffalo. I went back to the buffalo only and prayed for dryness. An excellent piece of kit and probably the best buy I've made in 5 years. "Nick Kew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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> What are the advantages of Buffalo type tops?
Light weight.
The list of disadvantages is a good deal longer.
Intriguing. Go on then...
Too warm when you exercise. Too cold when you don't. Gets sweaty very quickly when you exercise - and tends towards smelliness much more than fleece/goretex. No protection against serious rain. Or serious anything else.
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I'll pop in sometime in the near future. I live just south of the Tyne, so I'll have to spend a pound getting through the tunnel, drat!
Ah well, y'see... depending upon exactly you are sooth of the watta you could easily come around the western bypass and come off at Seaton Burn, wazz your way around Cram, by hook or by crook, and you're on the Spine Road... or you could come through the tunnel to avoid the hassle ;-)
should have said that I don't recall ever seeing anything labelled as Buffalo in Tiso or Blacks, which is where I normally buy stuff. I recently bought a pair of Paramo trousers online, mainly because I couldn't find them in any shops. When I asked an acquaintance who works for Tiso why they didn't stock Paramo he said it was for 'historical reasons'. Maybe the same applies to Buffalo.
Tiso's do sell Buffalo, so I don't think so! If you like Paramo stuff note that Mountain Supplies (Braemar, Aviemore, Perth and Ullapool), among others, stock it.
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should have said that I don't recall ever seeing anything labelled as Buffalo in Tiso or Blacks, which is where I normally buy stuff. I
recently
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bought a pair of Paramo trousers online, mainly because I couldn't find
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in any shops. When I asked an acquaintance who works for Tiso why they didn't stock Paramo he said it was for 'historical reasons'. Maybe the
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applies to Buffalo.
Tiso's do sell Buffalo, so I don't think so! If you like Paramo stuff note that Mountain Supplies (Braemar, Aviemore, Perth and Ullapool), among others, stock it.
