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  1. I just stumbled across a couple of article of the web which say that
    bike lits that do not have to be BS, if they have another equally good
    European marking. [1][2]
    I presume this means that my cateye CE [3][4] marked lits are road legal.

    [1]
    http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/guidanceaboutlightsonpedalbi4556
    point 8
    [2] http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4071
    About a third of the way down.
    [3] http://www.ce-marking.org/what-is-ce-marking.html
    [4] e.g. my LD600s on my bikes.

    Martin.

  2. Martin Dann said:

    I just stumbled across a couple of article of the web which say that
    bike lits that do not have to be BS, if they have another equally good
    European marking. [1][2]
    I presume this means that my cateye CE [3][4] marked lits are road legal.

    In order to comply with the law you have to show during the hours of
    darkenss a working white light forwards and red backwards compliant
    with the appropriate standards (BS6102-3 in UK or an equivalent EU
    standard). You may also show any other lights of the appropriate
    colour and position.

    CE marking basically says that the materials it is made of will not
    kill you. It is no indication of fitness for purpose.
    CE markings are not an equivalent standard so a light marked with them
    is not necessarily legally sufficient (though it is not illegal if it
    is the right colour for the direction it is facing).

    ...d

    Quoted message said:

    [1]http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/guidanceaboutlights...
    point 8
    [2]http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4071
    About a third of the way down.
    [3]http://www.ce-marking.org/what-is-ce-marking.html
    [4] e.g. my LD600s on my bikes.

    Martin.

  3. David Martin wrote on 13/03/2007 00:27 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    CE marking basically says that the materials it is made of will not
    kill you. It is no indication of fitness for purpose.

    Is the wrong answer. CE marking says it meets the legal requirements of
    the European Directive applying to that product.

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    Tony

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  4. Martin Dann said:

    I just stumbled across a couple of article of the web which say that
    bike lits that do not have to be BS, if they have another equally good
    European marking. [1][2]
    I presume this means that my cateye CE [3][4] marked lits are road legal.

    The CTC article points out that it's unclear which standards are "equally
    good" though*.

    Anthony

    * - with exception of the clearly superior German standards

  5. Martin Dann said:

    I just stumbled across a couple of article of the web which say that
    bike lits that do not have to be BS, if they have another equally good
    European marking. [1][2]
    I presume this means that my cateye CE [3][4] marked lits are road legal.

    [1]
    http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/guidanceaboutlightsonpedalbi4556

    point 8
    [2] http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4071
    About a third of the way down.
    [3] http://www.ce-marking.org/what-is-ce-marking.html
    [4] e.g. my LD600s on my bikes.

    Martin.

    It's worth pointing out that BS1602-3 defines a minimum life for a set
    of batteries.
    This is 30 min per day for 5 days per week, for 4 weeks (10hrs total). A
    very bright light might well fail this test, but be better than one
    built to pass, especially if you're using AA size rechargeables (as I
    assume most of us do).

    --
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    My email address is spamtrapped. You can work it out!

  6. Tony Raven said:

    David Martin wrote on 13/03/2007 00:27 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    CE marking basically says that the materials it is made of will not
    kill you. It is no indication of fitness for purpose.

    Is the wrong answer. CE marking says it meets the legal requirements of
    the European Directive applying to that product.

    But those requirements are predominantly that it won't kill you, rip
    your fingers off, make you go blind or whatever. In particular, they
    do not extend to fitness for use as bicycle lights. I think David's
    answer is close enough, and is more informative than the statement
    that the mark means the product meets the requirements of an
    unspecified directive.

    regards, Ian SMith
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  7. Tony Raven said:

    David Martin wrote on 13/03/2007 00:27 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    CE marking basically says that the materials it is made of will not
    kill you. It is no indication of fitness for purpose.

    Is the wrong answer. CE marking says it meets the legal requirements of
    the European Directive applying to that product.

    But IIRC, there is no European Directive applying specifically to bike
    lights, so the CE mark means that they comply with the more generic
    requirements that apply to all (battery powered?) electrical
    equipment, ie it won't kill you.

    TL

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