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  1. Big Bob Bent Authority

    I think I can wave my usual $50 fee for this one.

    The cobra has a few strikes against it.

    First off, they haven't submitted one to me for testing, and they don't
    advertise in my newsletter. I would have trouble trusting such an
    outfit. Besides, they are not American, and in fact I think they speak
    French in the bike's homeland, so if you want to support terrorism and
    [censored] on American freedoms, that's your choice, hippy.

    The Cobra also suffers from the misguided notion that the bottom bracket
    should be higher than the seat. As you know, any time you life the
    bottom bracket too high, you invariably end up with numb feet.

    The laid-back seat poses problems for visibility, as the shaggy beard
    worn by most regular recumbent riders will flap into your eyes and nose,
    blocking your vision and nausiating you with the smell of two-day-old
    granola flakes. When I tried the seat, parts of me hung over the edges,
    creating a painful grinding sensation during riding. And something
    smelled like cooked bacon.

    As we all know, heel strike and chain/wheel interferance are problems
    that simply can NEVER be overcome. I can't tell you the number of times
    I've seen recumbent riders, even experienced riders, fall over in the
    Dairy Queen parking lot because they clipped their heel on their front
    tire. This doesn't happen with a proper LWB design. Moreover,
    chain-tire problems make it tough to turn a U on the bike path, which
    would put the recumbent rider in the dangerous position of having to
    use the actual roadway.

    Also, I'm not sure the Cobra's unproven carbon frame can support the
    weight of the usual recumbent rider, which I estimate to be about
    280 pounds.

    I've tried to convince Albert to come out with a more consumer-friendly
    LWB or CLWB design, something that would get your feet down below your
    ass, where they belong. I've also sent him one of my old EZ fastback
    seats, so he can learn how to make something that will fit a real man's
    ass, not a little hard shell for those emaciated Eurofag, pixie-butts.

    As for the so-called NoComm. At least Poland is no longer commie. Also,
    the Poles have stepped up to the task in Eyerack, and are shouldering
    their fair share of the burden for making the world free.

    But that is the only advantage of that Kamil bike. I don't know if I'd
    trust my money with a guy named Kamil, though, kind of sounds commie to
    me, or terrorist... But I've seen a picture of him and he has short
    hair, so maybe he's OK. Otherwise, it looks like his bike suffers the
    same flaws as the Cobra bike.

    As the recumbent industry's most respected bike critic, I confidently
    predict that bikes like these will suffer the

    fate of all fads, and soon cease to exist.

    This is the last I shall say, for free. If you would like more of my
    expert opinion, please send me your credit card number.

    ______________________________

    Bryan Ball

    Good response Bob, Just like the Cobra, I also have a few strikes
    against me but that want stop me from giving my 2 cents. After all I've
    got Bigha expertise and I know what I'm talking about here.

    The bike will not succeed. It has no dual big wheels and it is too low.
    The typical recumbent rider at my site is usually a excessively
    overweight baby boomer and they only like to sit straight up in the air
    when riding at 9 mph. The bike was designed for all out speed and who
    the hell in America wants to go fast. We like it slow and easy and most
    of our US bike designs are a great example of that.

    I agree about the seat being way too low. The only bikes that belong
    on the road are the ones that place a rider at a similar seat height
    to a Schwinn Cruiser. This way guys like me can look in the auto
    window of the driver and maybe get some laughs when I see someone
    picking their nose.

    I sort of agree with you about the heel strike problem but I'm not sure.
    That time when we both were at Burger King eating crapy greasy food I'll
    have to admit that I also tipped over in the parking lot after lunch.
    But that might have been from the big fart explosion in my cycling
    shorts instead of heel strike.

    You have a good point about the average weight of most riders in the US
    Bob. Someday soon I'll weigh as much as you because I have to sit at my
    computer all day and monitor what people say. The US recumbent builders
    know that they have to build bikes for big guys so they can be lazy and
    forget about carbon or aerodynamics. We'll leave that to the Euro
    builders instead.

    If both Kamil and Albert would give me a few bikes for free I might do a
    write-up for them. Those Europeans need to realize to succeed in the US
    market they have to give a lot of bikes to us Americans for free. And
    they also need to kiss our butts with lots of praise for superior bike
    design even though most of us in the US are no where near as fast as
    those Euro boys.

    Bob, did you read my Bigha review? Now that is a real bike. Too bad all
    the US builders don't build them like that.

    Bryan Ball

    _____________________________

    Big Bob Bent Authority

    I thought you fell over in the Burger King lot because you greased your
    rear wheel with that juicy emission of yours. It looked like a textbook
    poo-slide.

    I would like to try a BigHa, but Acres says he won't send one to me
    unless I send some guy in Vegas, where he has a gambling company, some
    'protection' money. Protection from what, I'm not sure. I think it has
    something to do with not revealing patent information.

    As for your stellar review of the bigha, I'm not sure we'd agree, BB.
    That $3000 is a lot of money. Consider that, for the $2000 less , you
    could outfit a Sun EZ with a GPS, computer, a honda tabletop generator,
    a microwave, and a small fridge full of pizza rolls. And it would still
    weigh less than the BigHa. And, it would attract more chicks.

    Nice welds only count for so much, Bryan.

    In fact, I suspect that you said all those nice things because they sent
    you that bike. When have you ever said a bad thing about any bike?
    Never. And jeez, then the advertisements show up on your site. Guess you
    know how not to [censored] where you feed.

    Everyone knows you ripped me off, Ball. I was doing just fine with RCN,
    even thought the website was just a teaser to get people to subscribe to
    my church newsletter. Now you've screwed me! Who's going to pay for my
    cow if they get your milk for free?

    Look at me! I'm wearing a cardboard belt! (Size 58)

    At least I have the integrity to badmouth bikes that don't conform to
    the classic 'bent design. LWB or nothing, baby.

    You can bite me...

  2. Impersonating people on the Internet in order to slander them gets people sued. And yes, I know
    exactly who this is. Cut the [censored].

    "Sam Longer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Big Bob Bent Authority

    I think I can wave my usual $50 fee for this one.

    The cobra has a few strikes against it.

    First off, they haven't submitted one to me for testing, and they
    don't advertise in my newsletter. I would have trouble trusting such
    an outfit. Besides, they are not American, and in fact I think they
    speak French in the bike's homeland, so if you want to support
    terrorism and [censored] on American freedoms, that's your choice, hippy.

    The Cobra also suffers from the misguided notion that the bottom
    bracket should be higher than the seat. As you know, any time you life
    the bottom bracket too high, you invariably end up with numb feet.

    The laid-back seat poses problems for visibility, as the shaggy beard
    worn by most regular recumbent riders will flap into your eyes and
    nose, blocking your vision and nausiating you with the smell of
    two-day-old granola flakes. When I tried the seat, parts of me hung
    over the edges, creating a painful grinding sensation during riding.
    And something smelled like cooked bacon.

    As we all know, heel strike and chain/wheel interferance are problems
    that simply can NEVER be overcome. I can't tell you the number of
    times I've seen recumbent riders, even experienced riders, fall over
    in the Dairy Queen parking lot because they clipped their heel on
    their front tire. This doesn't happen with a proper LWB design.
    Moreover, chain-tire problems make it tough to turn a U on the bike
    path, which would put the recumbent rider in the dangerous position of
    having to use the actual roadway.

    Also, I'm not sure the Cobra's unproven carbon frame can support the
    weight of the usual recumbent rider, which I estimate to be about 280
    pounds.

    I've tried to convince Albert to come out with a more
    consumer-friendly LWB or CLWB design, something that would get your
    feet down below your ass, where they belong. I've also sent him one of
    my old EZ fastback seats, so he can learn how to make something that
    will fit a real man's ass, not a little hard shell for those emaciated
    Eurofag, pixie-butts.

    As for the so-called NoComm. At least Poland is no longer commie.
    Also, the Poles have stepped up to the task in Eyerack, and are
    shouldering their fair share of the burden for making the world free.

    But that is the only advantage of that Kamil bike. I don't know if I'd
    trust my money with a guy named Kamil, though, kind of sounds commie
    to me, or terrorist... But I've seen a picture of him and he has short
    hair, so maybe he's OK. Otherwise, it looks like his bike suffers the
    same flaws as the Cobra bike.

    As the recumbent industry's most respected bike critic, I confidently
    predict that bikes like these will suffer the

    fate of all fads, and soon cease to exist.

    This is the last I shall say, for free. If you would like more of my
    expert opinion, please send me your credit card number.

    ______________________________

    Bryan Ball

    Good response Bob, Just like the Cobra, I also have a few strikes
    against me but that want stop me from giving my 2 cents. After all
    I've got Bigha expertise and I know what I'm talking about here.

    The bike will not succeed. It has no dual big wheels and it is too
    low. The typical recumbent rider at my site is usually a excessively
    overweight baby boomer and they only like to sit straight up in the
    air when riding at 9 mph. The bike was designed for all out speed and
    who the hell in America wants to go fast. We like it slow and easy and
    most of our US bike designs are a great example of that.

    I agree about the seat being way too low. The only bikes that belong
    on the road are the ones that place a rider at a similar seat height
    to a Schwinn Cruiser. This way guys like me can look in the auto
    window of the driver and maybe get some laughs when I see someone
    picking their nose.

    I sort of agree with you about the heel strike problem but I'm not
    sure. That time when we both were at Burger King eating crapy greasy
    food I'll have to admit that I also tipped over in the parking lot
    after lunch. But that might have been from the big fart explosion in
    my cycling shorts instead of heel strike.

    You have a good point about the average weight of most riders in the
    US Bob. Someday soon I'll weigh as much as you because I have to sit
    at my computer all day and monitor what people say. The US recumbent
    builders know that they have to build bikes for big guys so they can
    be lazy and forget about carbon or aerodynamics. We'll leave that to
    the Euro builders instead.

    If both Kamil and Albert would give me a few bikes for free I might do
    a write-up for them. Those Europeans need to realize to succeed in the
    US market they have to give a lot of bikes to us Americans for free.
    And they also need to kiss our butts with lots of praise for superior
    bike design even though most of us in the US are no where near as fast
    as those Euro boys.

    Bob, did you read my Bigha review? Now that is a real bike. Too bad
    all the US builders don't build them like that.

    Bryan Ball

    _____________________________

    Big Bob Bent Authority

    I thought you fell over in the Burger King lot because you greased
    your rear wheel with that juicy emission of yours. It looked like a
    textbook poo-slide.

    I would like to try a BigHa, but Acres says he won't send one to me
    unless I send some guy in Vegas, where he has a gambling company, some
    'protection' money. Protection from what, I'm not sure. I think it has
    something to do with not revealing patent information.

    As for your stellar review of the bigha, I'm not sure we'd agree, BB.
    That $3000 is a lot of money. Consider that, for the $2000 less , you
    could outfit a Sun EZ with a GPS, computer, a honda tabletop
    generator, a microwave, and a small fridge full of pizza rolls. And it
    would still weigh less than the BigHa. And, it would attract more
    chicks.

    Nice welds only count for so much, Bryan.

    In fact, I suspect that you said all those nice things because they
    sent you that bike. When have you ever said a bad thing about any
    bike? Never. And jeez, then the advertisements show up on your site.
    Guess you know how not to [censored] where you feed.

    Everyone knows you ripped me off, Ball. I was doing just fine with
    RCN, even thought the website was just a teaser to get people to
    subscribe to my church newsletter. Now you've screwed me! Who's going
    to pay for my cow if they get your milk for free?

    Look at me! I'm wearing a cardboard belt! (Size 58)

    At least I have the integrity to badmouth bikes that don't conform to
    the classic 'bent design. LWB or nothing, baby.

    You can bite me...

  3. This agitating bull [censored] on this newsgroups is getting OLD. I'm not feeding the trolls, but if the
    goal of these morons are to get recumbent enthusiasts to only post on a moderated forum like BROL,
    they are getting close to reaching their goal Both Bryan Ball and Bob Bryant are furthering the
    recumbent industry. I've noticed a phenomenon the last several years, that many people spout out
    [censored] because in this legal drowning society we live in the chance of getting a "smack in the soup
    coolers" is greatly reduced, because the wise asses will "call my lawyer" sorry, but this is really
    chapping my ass.

    Sam Longer said:

    Big Bob Bent Authority

    I think I can wave my usual $50 fee for this one.

    The cobra has a few strikes against it.

    First off, they haven't submitted one to me for testing, and they
    don't advertise in my newsletter. I would have trouble trusting such
    an outfit. Besides, they are not American, and in fact I think they
    speak French in the bike's homeland, so if you want to support
    terrorism and [censored] on American freedoms, that's your choice, hippy.

    The Cobra also suffers from the misguided notion that the bottom
    bracket should be higher than the seat. As you know, any time you life
    the bottom bracket too high, you invariably end up with numb feet.

    The laid-back seat poses problems for visibility, as the shaggy beard
    worn by most regular recumbent riders will flap into your eyes and
    nose, blocking your vision and nausiating you with the smell of
    two-day-old granola flakes. When I tried the seat, parts of me hung
    over the edges, creating a painful grinding sensation during riding.
    And something smelled like cooked bacon.

    As we all know, heel strike and chain/wheel interferance are problems
    that simply can NEVER be overcome. I can't tell you the number of
    times I've seen recumbent riders, even experienced riders, fall over
    in the Dairy Queen parking lot because they clipped their heel on
    their front tire. This doesn't happen with a proper LWB design.
    Moreover, chain-tire problems make it tough to turn a U on the bike
    path, which would put the recumbent rider in the dangerous position of
    having to use the actual roadway.

    Also, I'm not sure the Cobra's unproven carbon frame can support the
    weight of the usual recumbent rider, which I estimate to be about 280
    pounds.

    I've tried to convince Albert to come out with a more
    consumer-friendly LWB or CLWB design, something that would get your
    feet down below your ass, where they belong. I've also sent him one of
    my old EZ fastback seats, so he can learn how to make something that
    will fit a real man's ass, not a little hard shell for those emaciated
    Eurofag, pixie-butts.

    As for the so-called NoComm. At least Poland is no longer commie.
    Also, the Poles have stepped up to the task in Eyerack, and are
    shouldering their fair share of the burden for making the world free.

    But that is the only advantage of that Kamil bike. I don't know if I'd
    trust my money with a guy named Kamil, though, kind of sounds commie
    to me, or terrorist... But I've seen a picture of him and he has short
    hair, so maybe he's OK. Otherwise, it looks like his bike suffers the
    same flaws as the Cobra bike.

    As the recumbent industry's most respected bike critic, I confidently
    predict that bikes like these will suffer the

    fate of all fads, and soon cease to exist.

    This is the last I shall say, for free. If you would like more of my
    expert opinion, please send me your credit card number.

    ______________________________

    Bryan Ball

    Good response Bob, Just like the Cobra, I also have a few strikes
    against me but that want stop me from giving my 2 cents. After all
    I've got Bigha expertise and I know what I'm talking about here.

    The bike will not succeed. It has no dual big wheels and it is too
    low. The typical recumbent rider at my site is usually a excessively
    overweight baby boomer and they only like to sit straight up in the
    air when riding at 9 mph. The bike was designed for all out speed and
    who the hell in America wants to go fast. We like it slow and easy and
    most of our US bike designs are a great example of that.

    I agree about the seat being way too low. The only bikes that belong
    on the road are the ones that place a rider at a similar seat height
    to a Schwinn Cruiser. This way guys like me can look in the auto
    window of the driver and maybe get some laughs when I see someone
    picking their nose.

    I sort of agree with you about the heel strike problem but I'm not
    sure. That time when we both were at Burger King eating crapy greasy
    food I'll have to admit that I also tipped over in the parking lot
    after lunch. But that might have been from the big fart explosion in
    my cycling shorts instead of heel strike.

    You have a good point about the average weight of most riders in the
    US Bob. Someday soon I'll weigh as much as you because I have to sit
    at my computer all day and monitor what people say. The US recumbent
    builders know that they have to build bikes for big guys so they can
    be lazy and forget about carbon or aerodynamics. We'll leave that to
    the Euro builders instead.

    If both Kamil and Albert would give me a few bikes for free I might do
    a write-up for them. Those Europeans need to realize to succeed in the
    US market they have to give a lot of bikes to us Americans for free.
    And they also need to kiss our butts with lots of praise for superior
    bike design even though most of us in the US are no where near as fast
    as those Euro boys.

    Bob, did you read my Bigha review? Now that is a real bike. Too bad
    all the US builders don't build them like that.

    Bryan Ball

    _____________________________

    Big Bob Bent Authority

    I thought you fell over in the Burger King lot because you greased
    your rear wheel with that juicy emission of yours. It looked like a
    textbook poo-slide.

    I would like to try a BigHa, but Acres says he won't send one to me
    unless I send some guy in Vegas, where he has a gambling company, some
    'protection' money. Protection from what, I'm not sure. I think it has
    something to do with not revealing patent information.

    As for your stellar review of the bigha, I'm not sure we'd agree, BB.
    That $3000 is a lot of money. Consider that, for the $2000 less , you
    could outfit a Sun EZ with a GPS, computer, a honda tabletop
    generator, a microwave, and a small fridge full of pizza rolls. And it
    would still weigh less than the BigHa. And, it would attract more
    chicks.

    Nice welds only count for so much, Bryan.

    In fact, I suspect that you said all those nice things because they
    sent you that bike. When have you ever said a bad thing about any
    bike? Never. And jeez, then the advertisements show up on your site.
    Guess you know how not to [censored] where you feed.

    Everyone knows you ripped me off, Ball. I was doing just fine with
    RCN, even thought the website was just a teaser to get people to
    subscribe to my church newsletter. Now you've screwed me! Who's going
    to pay for my cow if they get your milk for free?

    Look at me! I'm wearing a cardboard belt! (Size 58)

    At least I have the integrity to badmouth bikes that don't conform to
    the classic 'bent design. LWB or nothing, baby.

    You can bite me...

  4. It's amazing to me, but its true - No matter how hard you try, you just can't keep some people from
    being idiots. More pitiful is the fact that some seem compelled to display their idiocy publicly.
    Man, I'll bet their parents are sooooo proud of them....

    And don't invite people to "bite you" - they just might have bigger teeth than you do...

    "Sam Longer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

  5. "Bryan Ball" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Impersonating people on the Internet in order to slander them gets people sued. And yes, I know
    exactly who this is. Cut the [censored].

    Sounds like you've been channeling the spirit of the last century's most infamous dictator while
    you've been living in his homeland

    Why dont you cut the [censored] and stop telling people what to do or say

    <====]==+ Ninja +==[====

  6. Bryan Ball said:

    Impersonating people on the Internet in order to slander them gets people sued. And yes, I know
    exactly who this is. Cut the [censored].

    Seems to me the post was more satire than slander, so well protected under the Court's
    interpretation of the First Amendment. You'd lose the suit.

  7. I would personally never sue anybody over this childish [censored]. Just pointing out that it's dangerous
    game to play.

    "Ron Levine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bryan Ball said:

    Impersonating people on the Internet in order to slander them gets people sued. And yes, I know
    exactly who this is. Cut the [censored].

    Seems to me the post was more satire than slander, so well protected under the Court's
    interpretation of the First Amendment. You'd lose the suit.

  8. Is threatening a lawsuit as a bluff any less dangerous? And I must say that the original post had
    far more cleverness and humor than your ham-handed, inarticulate response.

    Bryan Ball said:

    I would personally never sue anybody over this childish [censored]. Just pointing out that it's dangerous
    game to play.

    "Ron Levine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bryan Ball said:

    Impersonating people on the Internet in order to slander them gets people sued. And yes, I know
    exactly who this is. Cut the [censored].

    Seems to me the post was more satire than slander, so well protected under the Court's
    interpretation of the First Amendment. You'd lose the suit.


  9. You're 100% right. This [censored] is just really getting to me. I apologize. I don't like being
    impersonated whether it's satirical or not.

    "Ron Levine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Is threatening a lawsuit as a bluff any less dangerous? And I must say that the original post had
    far more cleverness and humor than your ham-handed, inarticulate response.

    Bryan Ball said:

    I would personally never sue anybody over this childish [censored]. Just


    pointing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    out that it's dangerous game to play.

    "Ron Levine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:21:51 +0100, "Bryan Ball" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Impersonating people on the Internet in order to slander them gets


    people

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >sued. And yes, I know exactly who this is. Cut the [censored].
    >

    Seems to me the post was more satire than slander, so well protected under the Court's
    interpretation of the First Amendment. You'd lose the suit.

  10. What a waste of time... No wonder I mostly read BROL. Sam, Ninja - please [censored] somewhere else.

  11. Bryan, Sam, and Ron,

    I enjoyed the satirical commentaries. It was refreshing to say the least and humorous in several aspects. Readers of RCN and BROL would recognize and dismiss the possibility of Bob and Bryan as the true authors.

    Just don't take it too seriously Bryan, OK? Sometimes it's good to laugh at oneself?

    Compared to other personal attacks as of recent memory, this thread is far lamer in comparison and is quite creative and displayed some thought and inginuity.

    Raffi

    Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Ron Levine

    BOn Tue said:

    Impersonating people on the Internet in order to slander them gets people sued. And yes, I know
    exactly who this is. Cut the [censored].

    Seems to me the post was more satire than slander, so well protected under the Court's
    interpretation of the First Amendment. You'd lose the suit. [/B]

  12. So Ron, I suppose we should also put up with the likes of this?:

    "dumbo" who? spewed..... "BRYAN,then just shut the f--- up. if you cannot take the HEAT MR. BALLS,if
    you have any,then get out of the kitchen and get back in your bedroom with BOB BRYANT and company."

    We've passed satire by a mile here. Now it's just invective and personal attacks. This Chicagoland
    monkey needs to go back into his cage with the rest of the sock puppets. The humor was sophomoric to
    begin with and has no where near the class of good satire.

    Tom Thompson

    "Bryan Ball" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You're 100% right. This [censored] is just really getting to me. I apologize.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    don't like being impersonated whether it's satirical or not.

    "Ron Levine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Is threatening a lawsuit as a bluff any less dangerous? And I must say that the original post
    had far more cleverness and humor than your ham-handed, inarticulate response.

    Bryan Ball said:

    I would personally never sue anybody over this childish [censored]. Just


    pointing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    out that it's dangerous game to play.

    "Ron Levine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:21:51 +0100, "Bryan Ball" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >Impersonating people on the Internet in order to slander them gets


    people

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >sued. And yes, I know exactly who this is. Cut the [censored].
    > >
    >
    > Seems to me the post was more satire than slander, so well protected under the Court's
    > interpretation of the First Amendment. You'd lose the suit.
    >
    >


  13. This is a forum for recumbent bikes guys. This is a place where it is possible to exchange ideas, share experiences, learn some things and yes, even disagree on all of the above. But uncivil discourse does not produce anything of worth.
    Unfortunately there is no stopping someone from flaming someone else, and sadly it seems some even enjoy this behavior.
    All I can do is ask you guys to not to do it. Peace

  14. Sounds like some of these guys have a career waiting for them over at ClearChannel Communications.

    ;-)

  15. well said Bob, better than I could ever do, hope everyone heeds your advice.

    Wolverine said:

    This is a forum for recumbent bikes guys. This is a place where it is possible to exchange ideas,
    share experiences, learn some things and yes, even disagree on all of the above. But uncivil
    discourse does not produce anything of worth. Unfortunately there is no stopping someone from
    flaming someone else, and sadly it seems some even enjoy this behavior. All I can do is ask you
    guys to not to do it. Peace

    --

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