brrrr....

Bear G said:

I know some of you love cold weather, but brrrrr....

Last week wasn't too bad - I got in a couple runs. Each 10 miles. (I
know...)

But a storm moved in on Friday. Days of snow.

Please send some north 🙂

Quoted message said:

The secondary roads are
still icy, the ground still has a thick layer of snow.

Perfect for snowshoe running. If your temperatures are in the 20s with
snow on the ground, geez, we'd think we'd died and gone to heaven - well
maybe as long as temps in 0-24F range.

Quoted message said:

This is what we
see in late December/early January, not late November. The weathermen
are the worst, teasing us with highs in the 40s then delivering highs in
the 20s.

Well, our weather folks are in fear for their lives since they keep
forecasting - and getting - warm temperatures (low 30s to 40s; actually
hit 50 last weekend). HS xc ski season is in danger of being moved back
this year - again. Of course, the xc runners had snow for regionals this
year - again. 🙁 I think a high with colder temperatures is supposed to
come in this weekend, I hope.

Quoted message said:

BTW, my concern isn't the temps - with my new clothes and a sunny day I
should be fine. It's the icy roads - they rarely stay snowpacked for
more than a few days but I'm still having problems in my 4WD jeep.

Snowshoes! I'm serious. Last year this substantially expanded my ability
to do reasonable runs in the winter since there tends to be actual snow
on trails when the roads are icy. The cleats provide great traction.
Once I accepted them as real running and not just a novelty, I realized
you can train just like regular running - hill work, fartleks, etc. I
was definitely spoiled last year compared with the way this year is
starting (last week was hard to find someplace to walk safely - either
trail or road).

Dot

--
The goal is training and adaptation, not destruction and injury.
- John Hardy
http://www.mountainrunning.coolrunning.com.au/misc/training.shtml

Bear G said:

I know some of you love cold weather, but brrrrr....

Last week wasn't too bad - I got in a couple runs. Each 10 miles. (I
know...)

But a storm moved in on Friday. Days of snow.

Please send some north 🙂

Quoted message said:

The secondary roads are
still icy, the ground still has a thick layer of snow.

Perfect for snowshoe running. If your temperatures are in the 20s with
snow on the ground, geez, we'd think we'd died and gone to heaven - well
maybe as long as low 20s.

This is what we

Quoted message said:

see in late December/early January, not late November. The weathermen
are the worst, teasing us with highs in the 40s then delivering highs in
the 20s.

Well, our weather folks are in fear for their lives since they keep
forecasting - and getting - warm temperatures (low 30s to 40s; actually
hit 50 last weekend). HS xc ski season is in danger of being moved back
this year - again. Of course, the xc runners had snow for regionals this
year - again. 🙁

Quoted message said:

BTW, my concern isn't the temps - with my new clothes and a sunny day I
should be fine. It's the icy roads - they rarely stay snowpacked for
more than a few days but I'm still having problems in my 4WD jeep.

Snowshoes! I'm serious. Last year this substantially expanded my ability
to do reasonable runs in the winter since there tends to be snow on
trails when the roads are icy. The cleats provide great traction. It's
helped a little this winter also, but the surface has been too irregular
(like hoof prints in a corrall) to even walk safely some days. I'm
alternating between ss running (races are Jan-early March) and regular
running since there really isn't enough snow to justify snowshoes -
except for the traction provided by cleats.

Dot

--
The goal is training and adaptation, not destruction and injury.
- John Hardy
http://www.mountainrunning.coolrunning.com.au/misc/training.shtml

this "love running in the cold" is an overblown movement of the well
intentioned, good spirited, simply convincing themselves it's a joy. sure,
there are a few wingnuts scattered about and you'll find a disproportionate
higher % on this ng....however in RL? Most runners don't much enjoy running in
the cold. Methinks it's the domain of those missing a few screws. Sure you
can find one or two but for the most part, Marathon events shut down, hibernate
just like bears over the winter (in the cold places in the US)....for a reason
(no interest, no demand, no one wants to run the Frostbite Falls 50K when it's
15 degrees....except a few folks with the furniture rearranged upstairs).

No evidence, just observation. I've been in too many races, each with a couple
of thousand runners, and about 99% of them hating it. I'm serious...hardcore
passionate daily runners and single digits, and 0 degree (F) weather.

Do you know what your face looks like after running hard in cold weather?
Saliva collects around the perimeter of your mouth....frozen...(looking not too
disimilar than I imagine what Rod Stewart looked like just before he collapsed
on stage in the 70's). Nasal fluids freeze under & around your
nostrils...frozen...sweat from your glands freezes and clings on your face.
Moisture from your eyes freezes around their lid. It's perhaps as nasty as you
can physically possible look. Not pretty, not fun.

And then you got your wingnuts, your screwballs, your goobers....who come out
in a singlet and shorts....woohoo! It's 5 degrees and we're running and I'm
dressed like it's 85! OK, they might be the extreme. But...if you "love"
running in the 20's?(F).....you're on the fringe and imo have one foot in the
looney bin.

Even in nature animals only expose themselves to what for them would be cold
conditions out of necessity (i.e, food, or to migrate SOUTH where it's
warmer....hint hint hint). OK....in the past 3 weeks we've seen about 5
different people post the article about "humans evolving from being
runners"...etc. I did not see anything about humans evolving with vaseline
coated lips, gore-tex skin, and feet w/treads-traction. hence it's only
technology that allows us to engage in unnatural endeavors. (hint hint Dot &
Snowshoes). Let's be honest, we simply make the best and most of a bad
situation and turn lemons (cold-ass weather) into lemonade! we're all a bit
crazy to be runners in the first place...and I'll admit...I've got one toe in
the west wing of the winter wingnut world. But I'm not in denial about it.
Doing a 9 miler in 18 degrees is not my idea of a "good time". It's only
gore-tex & vaseline and wool that make it bearable.

happy friday everyone!

"Lanceandrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

this "love running in the cold" is an overblown movement of the well
intentioned, good spirited, simply convincing themselves it's a joy.
sure,
there are a few wingnuts scattered about and you'll find a
disproportionate
higher % on this ng....however in RL? Most runners don't much enjoy
running in
the cold. Methinks it's the domain of those missing a few screws.
Sure you
can find one or two but for the most part, Marathon events shut down,
hibernate
just like bears over the winter (in the cold places in the US)....for
a reason
(no interest, no demand, no one wants to run the Frostbite Falls 50K
when it's
15 degrees....except a few folks with the furniture rearranged
upstairs).

Lance you make me laugh. I host a Saturday winter run which has 25 on
the mailing list. The only thing that prevents everyone from showing
each week is personal obligations. The only condition that stops the
run is unsafe driving conditions to get to the start. Face it dude -
you're a WUSSY although a likeable wuss. 😉

Do you think everyone in the NE that runs Boston drives south to the
warmer climate to train? Ones gets their bubbly ass out the door. Hell
it only takes about 1/4 mile at most to warm up.

BTW, we take the extra lose screws and use them in our shoes.

Quoted message said:

Do you know what your face looks like after running hard in cold
weather?

Handsome as ever!

Quoted message said:

Saliva collects around the perimeter of your
mouth....frozen...(looking not too
dissimilar than I imagine what Rod Stewart looked like just before he
collapsed
on stage in the 70's).

Yup we all have frozen drool on our face.

Quoted message said:

And then you got your wingnuts, your screwballs, your goobers....who
come out
in a singlet and shorts....woohoo! It's 5 degrees and we're running
and I'm
dressed like it's 85! OK, they might be the extreme. But...if you
"love"
running in the 20's?(F).....you're on the fringe and imo have one foot
in the
looney bin.

🙂 🙂

We have a nice 50k up here Jan 8th - come up and freeze your drool with
us.

-Doug

thanks, i'll wear my wussy crown well as little about this resembles running
as it's meant to be in my book....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/siadventure/14/south_pole/marath
on_lg-01.jpg

Lanceandrew said:

this "love running in the cold" is an overblown movement of the well
intentioned, good spirited, simply convincing themselves it's a joy. sure,
there are a few wingnuts scattered about and you'll find a disproportionate
higher % on this ng....however in RL? Most runners don't much enjoy running in
the cold.

I don't enjoy running in summer -- all that sweat
and heatstroke. Cold is relative. I chuckle at the
meteorologist from Florida who thinks 32F is a
"very cold temperature."

Quoted message said:

Methinks it's the domain of those missing a few screws. Sure you
can find one or two but for the most part, Marathon events shut down, hibernate
just like bears over the winter (in the cold places in the US)....for a reason
(no interest, no demand, no one wants to run the Frostbite Falls 50K when it's
15 degrees....except a few folks with the furniture rearranged upstairs).

Now 15F isn't exactly cold 😉 When I ran last night
it was a rather balmy 18F, with a wind chill. "Cold"
sort of tends to happen round here from November through
March. 13F now where I am, but for you morning runners,
Gunnison is -26F...

Quoted message said:

No evidence, just observation. I've been in too many races, each with a couple
of thousand runners, and about 99% of them hating it. I'm serious...hardcore
passionate daily runners and single digits, and 0 degree (F) weather.

Do you know what your face looks like after running hard in cold weather?
Saliva collects around the perimeter of your mouth....frozen...(looking not too
disimilar than I imagine what Rod Stewart looked like just before he collapsed
on stage in the 70's). Nasal fluids freeze under & around your
nostrils...frozen...sweat from your glands freezes and clings on your face.
Moisture from your eyes freezes around their lid. It's perhaps as nasty as you
can physically possible look. Not pretty, not fun.

No way. I always looks great in my stylish face mask and
balaclava 🙂

Quoted message said:

And then you got your wingnuts, your screwballs, your goobers....who come out
in a singlet and shorts....woohoo! It's 5 degrees and we're running and I'm
dressed like it's 85! OK, they might be the extreme. But...if you "love"
running in the 20's?(F).....you're on the fringe and imo have one foot in the
looney bin.

I don't don the shorts until it's over 60F. Has nothing
to do with temperature, but physiology (like to keep my
muscles and ligs warm when I run.) Some may be running on
pure psychology when they wear shorts in the 30's. OTOH I
don't discount _their_ physiology.

Quoted message said:

Even in nature animals only expose themselves to what for them would be cold
conditions out of necessity (i.e, food, or to migrate SOUTH where it's
warmer....hint hint hint).

Calling David Attenborough...

Where I live the only critters that go south in winter
have feathers and wings. Everyone else sticks around.
What would they do with all that fur in Mexico?

Quoted message said:

OK....in the past 3 weeks we've seen about 5
different people post the article about "humans evolving from being
runners"...etc. I did not see anything about humans evolving with vaseline
coated lips, gore-tex skin, and feet w/treads-traction. hence it's only
technology that allows us to engage in unnatural endeavors. (hint hint Dot &
Snowshoes).

I used to run in cotton sweats even in winter. Nowadays
poly just helps me stay a little drier. But Gore Tex?
Overrated and overpriced.

Quoted message said:

Let's be honest, we simply make the best and most of a bad
situation and turn lemons (cold-ass weather) into lemonade!

I really do like it 😉

Quoted message said:

we're all a bit
crazy to be runners in the first place...and I'll admit...I've got one toe in
the west wing of the winter wingnut world. But I'm not in denial about it.
Doing a 9 miler in 18 degrees is not my idea of a "good time". It's only
gore-tex & vaseline and wool that make it bearable.

happy friday everyone!

supposed to be 40 today. By gosh, where's my tank top!

Doug Freese said:

"Lanceandrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Saliva collects around the perimeter of your
mouth....frozen...(looking not too
dissimilar than I imagine what Rod Stewart looked like just before he
collapsed
on stage in the 70's).

Yup we all have frozen drool on our face.

Not me. I don't drool. Ever. What kind of a runner
drools on themself instead of a good oldfashioned
spit?

Sometimes though I get icicles on my mustache, which
I think looks pretty cool 😉

Bear G <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<wDRrd.601361$mD.417774@attbi_s02>...

Quoted message said:

I know some of you love cold weather, but brrrrr....

Last week wasn't too bad - I got in a couple runs. Each 10 miles.
(I know...)

Man fall may never end here in NYC. Next week we are expected to have
a few days in the 60's. That is 9 degrees below the record December
high.

Andy

Quoted message said:

We have a nice 50k up here Jan 8th - come up and freeze your drool with
us.

Doug,
If this is the 50K I'm thinking of, in Staatsburg, isn't on the 9th? Wouldn't
want him to miss the fun by coming up on the wrong day!

Jon Peace

Yeah, it's winter, and it's cold..............NEXT!

(Lanceandrew) said:

this "love running in the cold" is an overblown movement of the well
intentioned, good spirited, simply convincing themselves it's a joy.

<great funny rant snipped>

ROTFL

Tell it like it is, dude!

Mike Tennent
"IronPenguin"

Dot said:

Bear G said:

The secondary roads are still icy, the ground still has a thick layer
of snow.

Perfect for snowshoe running. If your temperatures are in the 20s with
snow on the ground, geez, we'd think we'd died and gone to heaven - well
maybe as long as temps in 0-24F range.

If it were continuous, sure. But it's not - the roads exposed to
sunlight are clear, but if you hit a shaded spot you might hit an
inch of ice. The snow on the ground is now an icy 2-3".

Today it's in the mid-40s so I'm headed out the door.

Quoted message said:

Snowshoes! I'm serious. Last year this substantially expanded my ability
to do reasonable runs in the winter since there tends to be actual snow
on trails when the roads are icy.

The mountain park trails are probably snowy, but I expect my usual
trail to be a muddy mess since the cows are back in town. I'll
know for sure pretty soon - the path I'm planning will just touch
the trailhead so if the trail looks clear I'll head that way.

Quoted message said:

(last week was hard to find someplace to walk safely - either
trail or road).

That's basically our condition since Thanksgiving. Even driving
in my 4WD has been... interesting... at times.

Quoted message said:

Yeah, it's winter, and it's cold..............NEXT!

I'm with you on this! Every fall/winter season it's the SOS over and over,
"it's cold, it's snowing, my widdle feetsies are cold" etc etc etc. It never
ends.

"JonPeace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We have a nice 50k up here Jan 8th - come up and freeze your drool
with
us.

Doug,
If this is the 50K I'm thinking of, in Staatsburg, isn't on the 9th?
Wouldn't
want him to miss the fun by coming up on the wrong day!

Your correct it's Sun the 9th according to Ultra Running . I thought
Sprauer was going to move it to Sat and use Sun a snow date. The senile
old dolt probably forgot.

Not only that I have it wrong in my club newsletter. I swear he changed
the date on me. 😉 I get him for this.

Look for blue Toyota van and say hi!

-doug

"Lanceandrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

And then you got your wingnuts, your screwballs, your
goobers....who come out in a singlet and shorts....woohoo!
It's 5 degrees and we're running and I'm dressed like it's 85!
OK, they might be the extreme.

.... or they might be "fast".

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton ON)
www.absolutelyaccurate.com
www.allfalldown.org

Bear G said:

Dot said:

Bear G said:

The secondary roads are still icy, the ground still has a thick layer
of snow.

Perfect for snowshoe running. If your temperatures are in the 20s with
snow on the ground, geez, we'd think we'd died and gone to heaven - well
maybe as long as temps in 0-24F range.

If it were continuous, sure. But it's not - the roads exposed to
sunlight are clear, but if you hit a shaded spot you might hit an inch
of ice. The snow on the ground is now an icy 2-3".

Today it's in the mid-40s so I'm headed out the door.

Yuck. yea, I know what you mean.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Snowshoes! I'm serious. Last year this substantially expanded my ability
to do reasonable runs in the winter since there tends to be actual
snow on trails when the roads are icy.

The mountain park trails are probably snowy, but I expect my usual trail
to be a muddy mess since the cows are back in town.

got it.

I'll know for sure

Quoted message said:

pretty soon - the path I'm planning will just touch the trailhead so if
the trail looks clear I'll head that way.

Quoted message said:

(last week was hard to find someplace to walk safely - either
trail or road).

That's basically our condition since Thanksgiving. Even driving in my
4WD has been... interesting... at times.

Somebody upstairs heard our whining yesterday. About 4 inches of fresh,
dry snow, temperatures about 20F during day, and dropping to teens this
evening 🙂 Seemingly the first decent weather. Dang, I've got
cross-training class in the morning 🙁 but I'm sure I'll be on the snow
on Sunday 🙂 assuming we don't get another chinook.

Dot

--
The goal is training and adaptation, not destruction and injury.
- John Hardy
http://www.mountainrunning.coolrunning.com.au/misc/training.shtml

Quoted message said:

I swear he changed
the date on me. 😉 I get him for this.

I'll warn him tomorrow to beware! ;-)
I have a green Subaru wagon. See you there.

Jon

Dot said:

Bear G said:

Dot wrote:
If it were continuous, sure. But it's not - the roads exposed to
sunlight are clear, but if you hit a shaded spot you might hit an inch
of ice. The snow on the ground is now an icy 2-3".

Today it's in the mid-40s so I'm headed out the door.

Yuck. yea, I know what you mean.

The roads had snowpacked and icy patches. I discovered that I am
pulling as I step. (I guess I also learned that I'm landing
slightly ahead of my body.)

To my surprise the trail was almost entirely snowpacked. I could
only run about 1.5 miles on it because my feet were rotating on
the slick surface and the little muscles around my knee were
screaming.

Bear G said:

To my surprise the trail was almost entirely snowpacked. I could only
run about 1.5 miles on it because my feet were rotating on the slick
surface and the little muscles around my knee were screaming.

IMHO, that's a reason to not run that area unless there's someway of
dealing with it - it's not worth risking injury. Sometimes traction
devices help (slippery, but even surface), but if the snow is lumpy and
frozen (think lots of hoof prints in a corral so there's no flat
surface) it's pretty hard to deal with - even for walking. When the snow
is softer, I've found snowshoes can flatten some of that stuff or at
least provide a more stable footing. I've used ss to run a number of
times, not because I need the flotation, but because of the stable base
and traction.

Our snowshoe club went ss running today on my normal trails - about 7 or
so people, 0F at my house, probably a little cooler on the trails. Snow
wasn't as fresh as it was Friday morning. Parts had been trampled by
users but not groomed. So we had some just-about-right snow conditions
at the edges. It was kinda funny seeing all the ss tracks all over the
place. Some ran longer duration than others just because it was so nice
out after all the warm weather, mush, ice, and stormy skies we've had
the past couple weeks.

Dot

--
The goal is training and adaptation, not destruction and injury.
- John Hardy
http://www.mountainrunning.coolrunning.com.au/misc/training.shtml