Cycling Equipment · Public discussion

Brooks B17 - pre-aged vs standard

Started by DaveB · · Last activity · 35 posts · 2,228 views

Thread navigation

Jump through the discussion

Go to the original post, the replies on this page, or the latest preserved contribution.

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
Cycling Equipment
Published
16 February 2008
Last activity
18 February 2008
Original author
DaveB
Posts
35
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
2,228
Views / 30 days
0

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–20 of 35
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. I've got two Brooks B17 saddles. One is the pre-aged model and the other
    is the standard B17. I got the pre-aged saddle about a year ago for my
    roadbike and found it had shaped nicely to me within a couple of weeks
    riding. About a month later I got the standard B17 for my commuter. 12
    months later and it is still not to the shape the pre-aged saddle was in
    a couple of weeks.

    For both saddles I gave them a coat of the Brooks Proofide when I first
    got them and again every couple of months. Is there anything else I can
    do with the standard saddle?

    DaveB

  2. DaveB said:

    For both saddles I gave them a coat of the Brooks Proofide when I
    first got them and again every couple of months. Is there anything
    else I can do with the standard saddle?

    Ah, old-school Brooks break-in tips. My preferred version is to turn
    the saddle upside down (close the holes with tape if necessary), pour
    plenty of linseed oil into it and let it soak in in a mildly warm
    (75 °C/170 °F/gas mark whatever) oven for several hours. Let it cool down,
    discard excess oil, apply a new coat of Proofide to the top surface, ride.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    DaveB said:

    I've got two Brooks B17 saddles. One is the pre-aged model and the
    other is the standard B17. I got the pre-aged saddle about a year ago
    for my roadbike and found it had shaped nicely to me within a couple
    of weeks riding. About a month later I got the standard B17 for my
    commuter. 12 months later and it is still not to the shape the
    pre-aged saddle was in a couple of weeks.

    For both saddles I gave them a coat of the Brooks Proofide when I
    first got them and again every couple of months. Is there anything
    else I can do with the standard saddle?

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/leather.html

  4. DaveB said:

    I've got two Brooks B17 saddles. One is the pre-aged model and the other
    is the standard B17. I got the pre-aged saddle about a year ago for my
    roadbike and found it had shaped nicely to me within a couple of weeks
    riding. About a month later I got the standard B17 for my commuter. 12
    months later and it is still not to the shape the pre-aged saddle was in
    a couple of weeks.

    For both saddles I gave them a coat of the Brooks Proofide when I first
    got them and again every couple of months. Is there anything else I can
    do with the standard saddle?

    DaveB

    Sell it and get a saddle that fits you. If a Brooks isn't comfy in
    under a hundred miles, it's not the right saddle for you.

  5. "A R:nen" wrote: (clip) pour plenty of linseed oil into it (clip)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Why not neatsfoot oil?

  6. On Feb 16, 11:10 am, "Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "A R:nen" wrote: (clip) pour plenty of linseed oil into it (clip)

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Why not neatsfoot oil?

    It's cheaper to ruin a saddle with linseed oil.

  7. * * Chas said:

    "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Feb 16, 11:10 am, "Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "A R:nen" wrote: (clip) pour plenty of linseed oil into it (clip)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Why not neatsfoot oil?

    Quoted message said:

    It's cheaper to ruin a saddle with linseed oil.

    Used motor oil is even cheaper.....


    But think of the awesome patina!

  8. "Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "A R:nen" wrote: (clip) pour plenty of linseed oil into it (clip)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Why not neatsfoot oil?

    Most commercial "neatsfoot" oil is a petroleum or petroleum based product
    which will ruin your saddle.

    This link has a good explanation of neatsfoot oil:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neatsfoot_oil

    Chas.

  9. "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Feb 16, 11:10 am, "Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "A R:nen" wrote: (clip) pour plenty of linseed oil into it (clip)

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Why not neatsfoot oil?

    It's cheaper to ruin a saddle with linseed oil.

    Used motor oil is even cheaper.....

    Chas.

  10. Leo Lichtman said:

    "A R:nen" wrote: (clip) pour plenty of linseed oil into it (clip)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Why not neatsfoot oil?

    The nearest Hankkija (or Agrimarket or whatever they are called these
    days) is too far away, if indeed that's even a product that's
    available in this part of the world. Feel free to use even udder cream
    for all I care.

    In my experience, canola oil works comfort-wise just as well, but its
    smell is quite persistent.

  11. Per DaveB:

    Quoted message said:

    I've got two Brooks B17 saddles. One is the pre-aged model and the other
    is the standard B17. I got the pre-aged saddle about a year ago for my
    roadbike and found it had shaped nicely to me within a couple of weeks
    riding. About a month later I got the standard B17 for my commuter. 12
    months later and it is still not to the shape the pre-aged saddle was in
    a couple of weeks.

    My (very limited) experience is that Brooks' leather quality is
    inconsistent.

    I bought one Brooks saddle that was like a rock - it was so hard
    I sent it back.

    I've been through three others that were pretty much comfortable
    from day 1 and got totally comfortable within a few hundred
    miles.

    And I have one that's kind of hard (but nothing like "the rock"😉
    despite being ridden several hundred miles.

    AFIK they were all "standard" and not "pre-aged".
    --
    PeteCresswell

  12. (PeteCresswell) said:

    Per DaveB:

    Quoted message said:

    I've got two Brooks B17 saddles. One is the pre-aged model and the other
    is the standard B17. I got the pre-aged saddle about a year ago for my
    roadbike and found it had shaped nicely to me within a couple of weeks
    riding. About a month later I got the standard B17 for my commuter. 12
    months later and it is still not to the shape the pre-aged saddle was in
    a couple of weeks.

    My (very limited) experience is that Brooks' leather quality is
    inconsistent.

    I bought one Brooks saddle that was like a rock - it was so hard
    I sent it back.

    I've been through three others that were pretty much comfortable
    from day 1 and got totally comfortable within a few hundred
    miles.

    And I have one that's kind of hard (but nothing like "the rock"😉
    despite being ridden several hundred miles.

    AFIK they were all "standard" and not "pre-aged".

    Instead of a piece of dead cow, why is a synthetic product, such as the
    "Lorica" used by SiDi for shoes, not used for saddles? The "Lorica"
    material does not appear to suffer from wet/dry cycles and is very durable.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    DaveB said:

    I've got two Brooks B17 saddles. One is the pre-aged model and the other
    is the standard B17. I got the pre-aged saddle about a year ago for my
    roadbike and found it had shaped nicely to me within a couple of weeks
    riding. About a month later I got the standard B17 for my commuter. 12
    months later and it is still not to the shape the pre-aged saddle was in
    a couple of weeks.

    For both saddles I gave them a coat of the Brooks Proofide when I first
    got them and again every couple of months. Is there anything else I can
    do with the standard saddle?

    Put the saddle upside down under a 100 watt incandescent
    light bulb. Slather the underside with Proofide. Leave
    overnight. I use a 2 cm stiff artist's paint brush for
    the slathering. Proofide will migrate to the riding
    surface side of the leather. A second treatment in a
    fortnight maybe called for.

    --
    Michael Press

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    DaveB said:

    I've got two Brooks B17 saddles. One is the pre-aged model and the other
    is the standard B17. I got the pre-aged saddle about a year ago for my
    roadbike and found it had shaped nicely to me within a couple of weeks
    riding. About a month later I got the standard B17 for my commuter. 12
    months later and it is still not to the shape the pre-aged saddle was in
    a couple of weeks.

    For both saddles I gave them a coat of the Brooks Proofide when I first
    got them and again every couple of months. Is there anything else I can
    do with the standard saddle?

    Do _not_ use oil as has been suggested.

    --
    Michael Press

  15. Michael Press said:

    Do _not_ use oil as has been suggested.

    Clear shoe polish is all that's needed with a thin leather like the
    B17.

  16. "Michael Press" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    DaveB said:

    I've got two Brooks B17 saddles. One is the pre-aged model and the


    other

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is the standard B17. I got the pre-aged saddle about a year ago for my
    roadbike and found it had shaped nicely to me within a couple of weeks
    riding. About a month later I got the standard B17 for my commuter. 12
    months later and it is still not to the shape the pre-aged saddle was


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a couple of weeks.

    For both saddles I gave them a coat of the Brooks Proofide when I


    first

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    got them and again every couple of months. Is there anything else I


    can

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    do with the standard saddle?

    Put the saddle upside down under a 100 watt incandescent
    light bulb. Slather the underside with Proofide. Leave
    overnight. I use a 2 cm stiff artist's paint brush for
    the slathering. Proofide will migrate to the riding
    surface side of the leather. A second treatment in a
    fortnight maybe called for.

    --
    Michael Press

    I put Proofide on with an old tooth brush and use a hair dryer to get it
    to soak in, 15-20 minutes total and I'm done.

    I have one early 80s Pro that has leather that's about 1/2 as thick as on
    my others. It's still pretty hard after all these years.

    My experience with about 3 Ideale pre-softened saddles is that they tended
    to be too soft and started to sag after very little use. I stretched 1 out
    over an inch with the adjuster trying to get some form back.

    I've seen some leather saddles on eBay that had almost 2" of stretch;
    caveat emptor....

    Chas.

  17. landotter said:
    Michael Press said:

    Do _not_ use oil as has been suggested.

    Clear shoe polish is all that's needed with a thin leather like the
    B17.

    Does the B-17 have thin leather? My 196xish B-66 has 15 oz leather.

  18. Don't be shy about abandoning the B17 if it isn't fitting you. Life is
    too short to become fixated on something just because of its obscure
    (and unwarranted) cachet. Unload it on eBay, maybe somebody will fall
    in love with it, a total win-win, right? Maybe try some of the other
    Brooks saddles, the pro is great for me, the B17 not so good.

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tom Sherman said:
    (PeteCresswell) said:

    Per DaveB:

    Quoted message said:

    I've got two Brooks B17 saddles. One is the pre-aged model and the other
    is the standard B17. I got the pre-aged saddle about a year ago for my
    roadbike and found it had shaped nicely to me within a couple of weeks
    riding. About a month later I got the standard B17 for my commuter. 12
    months later and it is still not to the shape the pre-aged saddle was in
    a couple of weeks.

    My (very limited) experience is that Brooks' leather quality is
    inconsistent.

    I bought one Brooks saddle that was like a rock - it was so hard
    I sent it back.

    I've been through three others that were pretty much comfortable
    from day 1 and got totally comfortable within a few hundred
    miles.

    And I have one that's kind of hard (but nothing like "the rock"😉
    despite being ridden several hundred miles.

    AFIK they were all "standard" and not "pre-aged".

    Instead of a piece of dead cow, why is a synthetic product, such as the
    "Lorica" used by SiDi for shoes, not used for saddles? The "Lorica"
    material does not appear to suffer from wet/dry cycles and is very durable.

    Impedance matching.
    Our connective tissue is made out of the same stuff as leather.

    --
    Michael Press

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    * * Chas said:

    "Michael Press" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    DaveB said:

    I've got two Brooks B17 saddles. One is the pre-aged model and the


    other

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is the standard B17. I got the pre-aged saddle about a year ago for my
    roadbike and found it had shaped nicely to me within a couple of weeks
    riding. About a month later I got the standard B17 for my commuter. 12
    months later and it is still not to the shape the pre-aged saddle was


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a couple of weeks.

    For both saddles I gave them a coat of the Brooks Proofide when I


    first

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    got them and again every couple of months. Is there anything else I


    can

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    do with the standard saddle?

    Put the saddle upside down under a 100 watt incandescent
    light bulb. Slather the underside with Proofide. Leave
    overnight. I use a 2 cm stiff artist's paint brush for
    the slathering. Proofide will migrate to the riding
    surface side of the leather. A second treatment in a
    fortnight maybe called for.

    --
    Michael Press

    I put Proofide on with an old tooth brush and use a hair dryer to get it
    to soak in, 15-20 minutes total and I'm done.

    I have one early 80s Pro that has leather that's about 1/2 as thick as on
    my others. It's still pretty hard after all these years.

    My experience with about 3 Ideale pre-softened saddles is that they tended
    to be too soft and started to sag after very little use. I stretched 1 out
    over an inch with the adjuster trying to get some form back.

    I've seen some leather saddles on eBay that had almost 2" of stretch;
    caveat emptor....

    I used a hair drier but prefer the light bulb.
    The hair drier is too labor intensive for me.

    --
    Michael Press

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.