Broadband Linux Bicycle

"Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I've finally got my linux machine working with BTOpenwoe
broadband. Now I've got to swap all my bikes' components
to Campag ;-)

Probably a smidge easier than working with Linux

bob watkinson said:

"Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I've finally got my linux machine working with BTOpenwoe
broadband. Now I've got to swap all my bikes' components
to Campag ;-)

Probably a smidge easier than working with Linux

Yeah, but that's how the world works isn't it...

Windows - Easy but [censored]. Linux - Difficult but good.

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Chris

bob watkinson said:

"Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I've finally got my linux machine working with BTOpenwoe
broadband. Now I've got to swap all my bikes' components
to Campag ;-)

Probably a smidge easier than working with Linux

Nonsense... it just takes a bit of practice! I'm just
about getting the hang of it now, after 20 years using
similar things (:

Steve

Richard Bates said:

I've finally got my linux machine working with BTOpenwoe
broadband. Now I've got to swap all my bikes' components
to Campag ;-)

SRAM, surely? Campag are just Apple.

Succorso said:

Yeah, but that's how the world works isn't it...

Windows - Easy but [censored].

Windows - [censored] - but we've learned all its little
inconsistancies and how to work with it, and don't mind too
much when Microsoft keep changing them. It took so much
investment of time learning how to deal with Windows, most
would be afraid of trying anything different.

I started on BBC Basic, then RISCOS, then tried Windows
3.11, hated it, and moved to HPUX then Linux. Switching to
Windows NT when work required it was as much a paradigm
shift for me as a Windows person switching to Linux. Its not
about user friendlyness - its about what you're used to -
and Windows NT was very inconsistant and not intuitive at
all. Fortunately I was brought up on IBM's Common User
Interface Guidelines, so had a good idea how things worked
in principle, so it wasn't too hard to learn.

Quoted message said:

Linux - Difficult but good.

Linux - I'd learned all its little niggles and how to work
with it and how the model works. The underlying UNIX model
is different to Windows, but internally consistant, and in
some ways works very well. Everything is a file, and there's
no such thing as a sharing violation.

Then some people came along and said "Linux should be made
like Windows", and things got a little mixed up - but
fortunately differences are being resolved, and middle
button paste is working again in most apps (even though
Eclipse needs CTRL-V still, at least it pastes the primary
selection, so it half fits in), and I've not seen a file
dialog try to represent the filesystem as Windows like drive
letters for some time (Word Perfect), or a program try to
save user data into its read only install directory
(Eclipse, many others).

The funny thing is that Microsoft keep "innovating" ideas
from Linux, like auto completing file dialogs and the "Show
Desktop" button, home directories, primary selection in
terminals, and Longhorn screenshots remind me of FVWM2 in
many ways. Meanwhile some factions in Linux are chasing
people brought up on Windows 9 series and it looks like both
camps will go whizzing past eachother in opposite
directions.

- Richard

Succorso said:

Yeah, but that's how the world works isn't it...

Windows - Easy but [censored]. Linux - Difficult but good.

Well, easy but [censored] and completely impossible when it either
doesn't do what it's supposed to, or doesn't do what you
want it to.

cf non-trivial but possible to do whatever.

Linux is not more difficult than windows if you had 6 years
unix experience before you ever laid hands on a MS machine -
at least as far as quite a lot of administration tasks are
concerned.

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Ian Smith said:

Linux is not more difficult than windows if you had 6
years unix experience before you ever laid hands on a MS
machine - at least as

Nor even if you have exactly the same length of experience
on both. I came to both DOS and Unix in 1987 (having
previously been primarily a VMS man) and encountered windows
several years before I first used Linux in '95. From that
starting point, it's abundantly clear that Linux is superior
in every way, *including* ease of use.

It's like comparing a Galaxy to something from ToysRus (on
the premise, probably unfounded, that the latter might sell
toy bikes of the kind that make ten miles seem a b*****
long way).

--
Nick Kew

in message <[email hidden]>, Richard Corfield

(') said:

Then some people came along and said "Linux should be made
like Windows", and things got a little mixed up - but
fortunately differences are being resolved, and middle
button paste is working again in most apps (even though
Eclipse needs CTRL-V still

Isn't that *fscking* annoying? The other thing that really
winds me up with Eclipse is its habit of deciding a file is
read-only when you want to edit it. Not only have I not
discovered its rationale for deciding that files should be
read-only, the only way I've discovered of telling it that
they're not is by finding the file in the package explorer
pane (not easy when you've browsed deep into a Java bug),
right clicking on it, opening the properties dialogue, and
clearing the read-only property there.

I'm sort of in the process of changing over from XEmacs/JDE
to Eclipse having been an [X|Gnu]Emacs user for seventeen
years. Eclipse really does have a lot of useful, worth
having features, but the above little niggles really wind me
up. That, and, of course, the fact that I keep typing ^Y
when I'm in Eclipse and ^V when I'm in XEmacs - or better
still, ^Z, which in Eclipse is 'undo' and in XEmacs is
'close window'.

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Simon Brooke said:

I'm sort of in the process of changing over from
XEmacs/JDE to Eclipse having been an [X|Gnu]Emacs user for
seventeen years. Eclipse really does have a lot of useful,
worth having features, but the above little niggles really
wind me up. That, and, of course, the fact that I keep
typing ^Y when I'm in Eclipse and ^V when I'm in XEmacs -
or better still, ^Z, which in Eclipse is 'undo' and in
XEmacs is 'close window'.

It took a while in Windows to get used to the idea that I
could press ^C in a running program without killing it, and
backspace in the file dialog! Having got so used to that
button deleting things, I used to press it with trepidation.

- Richard

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:03:54 +0100, in <[email hidden]>,

Richard Corfield said:

It took a while in Windows to get used to the idea that I
could press [...] backspace in the file dialog!

Well I never knew you could do that!

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Richard Bates said:

Well I never knew you could do that!

On older Windows, it was the only way of going up a
directory, as there was no up or back button. Before
someone told me that, I had to start navigating from the
top level again.

- Richard

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Succorso said:

Windows - Easy but [censored]. Linux - Difficult but good.

FreeBSD - Harder but better OS X - Easy and Good

:-)

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