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  1. I encountered a sign on Werneth Low, near Hyde Cheshire today, which
    read:

    "Bridle path for Riders and Cyclists. No access for walkers".

    This is a new one for me, but by coincidence I met a gent in smart
    waistcoat and walking stick who was a member of the Trust (he said).

    He explained that the sign was for H & S reasons, to prevent walkers
    suffering injury from horses or cyclists rampant. When I mentioned
    Nanny State he bristled, and said that they have to consider the
    possibility of litigation. I pointed out that he was walking on the
    bridle way and he muttered something about 'own risk'.
    --
    Gordon Harris

  2. Quoted message said:

    He explained that the sign was for H & S reasons, to prevent walkers
    suffering injury from horses or cyclists rampant.

    This is illogical. What about protecting cyclists from horses 'rampant'
    (or the other way around), or for that matter, protecting cyclists from
    cyclists and horse riders from horse riders? Sounds like a complete idiot
    over reacting, as seems to be the case in all silly 'Health and Safety'
    rules.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    I encountered a sign on Werneth Low

    I thought of that path on the Low when I read the subject, even before I
    knew it was from you Gordon!

    Quoted message said:

    , near Hyde Cheshire today, which read:

    "Bridle path for Riders and Cyclists. No access for walkers".

    This is a new one for me, but by coincidence I met a gent in smart
    waistcoat and walking stick who was a member of the Trust (he said).

    He explained that the sign was for H & S reasons, to prevent walkers
    suffering injury from horses or cyclists rampant. When I
    mentioned Nanny State he bristled, and said that they have to consider
    the possibility of litigation. I pointed out that he was walking on
    the bridle way and he muttered something about 'own risk'.

    To be fair there is a footpath running parallel to most of the bridle
    path on the other side of the wall / fence - but like you and most other
    folk up there I walk & run on the bridle path cos its a decent path. One
    of the parky folk tried to get me to move off the bridle path last year
    but I declined.

    Daisy Nook Country Park also have a bit with a bridle path parallel to
    the footpath where they discourage walker from the bridle path. The
    Longdendale Trail and other parts of the Trans-Pennine Trail also have
    horsey / footy segregation but in those cases the foot bit is usually
    nicer than the hoof bit.

    --

    Dominic Sexton

  4. Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    I encountered a sign on Werneth Low

    I thought of that path on the Low when I read the subject, even before
    I knew it was from you Gordon!

    Quoted message said:

    , near Hyde Cheshire today, which read:

    "Bridle path for Riders and Cyclists. No access for walkers".

    To be fair there is a footpath running parallel to most of the bridle
    path on the other side of the wall / fence - but like you and most
    other folk up there I walk & run on the bridle path cos its a decent
    path. One of the parky folk tried to get me to move off the bridle path
    last year but I declined.

    Daisy Nook Country Park also have a bit with a bridle path parallel to
    the footpath where they discourage walker from the bridle path. The
    Longdendale Trail and other parts of the Trans-Pennine Trail also have
    horsey / footy segregation but in those cases the foot bit is usually
    nicer than the hoof bit.


    The Middlewood Way, on the other hand, seems to operate on the principle
    that cyclists and horses are more likely to clash than cyclists and
    walkers, so the cyclists are frequently on the footpath.
    --
    Gordon Harris

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:


    He explained that the sign was for H & S reasons, to prevent walkers
    suffering injury from horses or cyclists rampant. When I
    mentioned Nanny State he bristled, and said that they have to consider
    the possibility of litigation. I pointed out that he was walking on
    the bridle way and he muttered something about 'own risk'.

    Keep death off the road - drive on the pavement (springs to mind)
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, Dominic Sexton
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    To be fair there is a footpath running parallel to most of the bridle
    path on the other side of the wall / fence - but like you and most
    other folk up there I walk & run on the bridle path cos its a decent
    path. One of the parky folk tried to get me to move off the bridle path
    last year but I declined.

    The promenade which extends from Swansea to Mumbles has a "joint"
    footpath/cyle track on it. The walkers are protected from injury by the
    cyclists by a line painted on the floor !
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  7. "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I encountered a sign on Werneth Low, near Hyde Cheshire today, which read:

    "Bridle path for Riders and Cyclists. No access for walkers".

    This is a new one for me, but by coincidence I met a gent in smart
    waistcoat and walking stick who was a member of the Trust (he said).

    He explained that the sign was for H & S reasons, to prevent walkers
    suffering injury from horses or cyclists rampant. When I mentioned
    Nanny State he bristled, and said that they have to consider the
    possibility of litigation. I pointed out that he was walking on the
    bridle way and he muttered something about 'own risk'.
    --


    Not sure they can do this. There was a local instance here where a bridleway
    had a sign up saying *no cycling*. I contacted the footpaths officer who
    said the landowner had wanted to allow horses but not cycles on a particular
    footpath. I said that cyclists were legally allowed to cycle on bridleways
    and he just shrugged.......

    As far as I am aware walkers are legally allowed to walk on bridleways
    unless there is a D o T sign up prohibiting a particular class, ie on some
    metalled paths there are signs forbidding cycling. Unless the exclusion sign
    is by the D o T then I can't see how it's legal as the H & S reasons given
    above would apply on every bridleway in the country and all landowners would
    follow suit.

    The local *no cycling* sign has since been removed BTW.

    Graham

  8. W. D. Grey said:

    The promenade which extends from Swansea to Mumbles has a "joint"
    footpath/cyle track on it. The walkers are protected from injury by
    the cyclists by a line painted on the floor !

    In theory yes, but once you reach Oystermouth it no longer applies.
    People/tourists in that area seem to be completely oblivious to the white
    line and wander all over the path, without ever looking to check if a
    cyclist is coming (which is odd when you consider how many cyclists pass
    that way). Groups walk the whole width of the path with no consideration
    whatsoever, and seem surprised when a cyclist tries to pass them. It's very
    irritating, especially since the path is so narrow at that point. No
    problems on the rest of the prom though.

    Paul

  9. Graham Seed said:

    "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I encountered a sign on Werneth Low, near Hyde Cheshire today, which read:

    "Bridle path for Riders and Cyclists. No access for walkers".

    This is a new one for me, but by coincidence I met a gent in smart
    waistcoat and walking stick who was a member of the Trust (he said).

    He explained that the sign was for H & S reasons, to prevent walkers
    suffering injury from horses or cyclists rampant. When I mentioned
    Nanny State he bristled, and said that they have to consider the
    possibility of litigation. I pointed out that he was walking on the
    bridle way and he muttered something about 'own risk'.
    --

    Not sure they can do this. There was a local instance here where a bridleway
    had a sign up saying *no cycling*. I contacted the footpaths officer who
    said the landowner had wanted to allow horses but not cycles on a particular
    footpath. I said that cyclists were legally allowed to cycle on bridleways
    and he just shrugged.......

    As far as I am aware walkers are legally allowed to walk on bridleways
    unless there is a D o T sign up prohibiting a particular class, ie on some
    metalled paths there are signs forbidding cycling. Unless the exclusion sign
    is by the D o T then I can't see how it's legal as the H & S reasons given
    above would apply on every bridleway in the country and all landowners would
    follow suit.

    The local *no cycling* sign has since been removed BTW.

    Graham

    Unless it's an official RoW, then if the landowner is happy to provide a
    "route" for horses but not walkers, then presumably he can do so as it's
    his land?

    druidh

  10. "druidh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Graham Seed said:

    "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I encountered a sign on Werneth Low, near Hyde Cheshire today, which
    read:

    "Bridle path for Riders and Cyclists. No access for walkers".

    This is a new one for me, but by coincidence I met a gent in smart
    waistcoat and walking stick who was a member of the Trust (he said).

    He explained that the sign was for H & S reasons, to prevent walkers
    suffering injury from horses or cyclists rampant. When I mentioned
    Nanny State he bristled, and said that they have to consider the
    possibility of litigation. I pointed out that he was walking on the
    bridle way and he muttered something about 'own risk'.
    --

    Not sure they can do this. There was a local instance here where a
    bridleway had a sign up saying *no cycling*. I contacted the footpaths
    officer who said the landowner had wanted to allow horses but not cycles
    on a particular footpath. I said that cyclists were legally allowed to
    cycle on bridleways and he just shrugged.......

    As far as I am aware walkers are legally allowed to walk on bridleways
    unless there is a D o T sign up prohibiting a particular class, ie on
    some metalled paths there are signs forbidding cycling. Unless the
    exclusion sign is by the D o T then I can't see how it's legal as the H &
    S reasons given above would apply on every bridleway in the country and
    all landowners would follow suit.

    The local *no cycling* sign has since been removed BTW.

    Graham

    Unless it's an official RoW, then if the landowner is happy to provide a
    "route" for horses but not walkers, then presumably he can do so as it's
    his land?

    I always thought a Bridleway was a RoW? Not permissive!

    Craven

  11. Graham Seed said:

    "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I encountered a sign on Werneth Low, near Hyde Cheshire today, which read:

    "Bridle path for Riders and Cyclists. No access for walkers".

    This is a new one for me, but by coincidence I met a gent in smart
    waistcoat and walking stick who was a member of the Trust (he said).

    He explained that the sign was for H & S reasons, to prevent walkers
    suffering injury from horses or cyclists rampant. When I mentioned
    Nanny State he bristled, and said that they have to consider the
    possibility of litigation. I pointed out that he was walking on the
    bridle way and he muttered something about 'own risk'.
    --


    Not sure they can do this. There was a local instance here where a bridleway
    had a sign up saying *no cycling*. I contacted the footpaths officer who
    said the landowner had wanted to allow horses but not cycles on a particular
    footpath. I said that cyclists were legally allowed to cycle on bridleways
    and he just shrugged.......

    As far as I am aware walkers are legally allowed to walk on bridleways
    unless there is a D o T sign up prohibiting a particular class, ie on some
    metalled paths there are signs forbidding cycling. Unless the exclusion sign
    is by the D o T then I can't see how it's legal as the H & S reasons given
    above would apply on every bridleway in the country and all landowners would
    follow suit.

    The local *no cycling* sign has since been removed BTW.

    Graham

    I think you will find the NERC bill now will, or soon will, give rights
    to
    National Parks to place a TRO (Traffic Regulation Order ) onto a
    footpath if
    they so wish.

    Ted Ferenc.

  12. Mark Thompson said:
    Quoted message said:

    He explained that the sign was for H & S reasons, to prevent walkers
    suffering injury from horses or cyclists rampant.

    Quoted message said:

    This is illogical. What about protecting cyclists from horses 'rampant'
    (or the other way around), or for that matter, protecting cyclists from
    cyclists and horse riders from horse riders? Sounds like a complete idiot
    over reacting, as seems to be the case in all silly 'Health and Safety'
    rules.

    I was walking in Dalkeith Park the other day, and a kind man employed
    by the Scottish Executive handed me a safety leaflet. It was a map of
    the area identifying hazardous places, and on the other side was a
    list of hazards and to avoid them. Let me quote.

    "ACTIVITY: walking near watercourse or ditches within Dalkeith Park.
    HAZARD: Contamination, slips, trips, and drowing.
    PROPOSED ACTION: Avoid walking near the bank of the river and other
    watercourses."

    I think this may have been a response to some of the locals doing
    really dangerous things in Dalkeith Park, like living in tree houses
    suspended by ropes over the river in order to obstruct the cutting
    down of the trees to make way for the nice new bypass. A real hazard
    for drowning there, if the National Eviction Team were a bit careless
    about how they cut these protestors down. Naturally the public wanted
    to watch the fun, but they could easily have tripped over tree roots,
    slipped in mud, drowned in the river, etc., so the NET kindly erected
    a public viewing platoform in a safe place where trees obscured a lot
    of the action in case you got too excited.

    The river was clearly marked on the map the kind man gave me, so that
    I could avoid going near it. But if I'd done that I wouldn't have been
    able to meet the protestors who were camped dangerously close to the
    river :-)

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

  13. Quoted message said:

    He explained that the sign was for H & S reasons, to prevent walkers
    suffering injury from horses or cyclists rampant. When I mentioned
    Nanny State he bristled, and said that they have to consider the
    possibility of litigation. I pointed out that he was walking on the
    bridle way and he muttered something about 'own risk'.

    What a load of piffle. No matter who uses a bridleway/footpath, there is
    always potential for accidents.

    Was out on the South Downs Way near East Meon a couple of weeks ago in
    horrid rain. No walkers other than me, but I heard scramble bikes in the
    distance. Nearing the bottom of a hill near Combe House, I noticed a biker
    had got it wrong and was wrapped up in the wire fence with his mate trying
    to extricate him. No other walker/horse/cyclist around, so would the rider
    sue the landowner for damage from the wire fence!

    All in the name of PC ............

    --
    Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

    'Mountains or Mole Hills .....
    summiting still brings the
    same excitement'

  14. Countryside Agency doesn't agree. Lets face it, what about a horse rider/cyclist collision - doesn't make sense... I would def clarify as it seems totally wrong (certainly here in Scotland you wouldn't get away with it.

    CA recognises 28 day restrictions:

    Using discretionary restrictions (the '28-day allowance'😉

    You can use the 28-day allowance to restrict access for any reason and on any area of CROW access land, but you cannot use them on:

    a.. bank holidays, Christmas Day or Good Friday;
    b.. Saturdays between 1st June and 11th August;
    c.. Sundays between 1st June and 30th September;
    d.. more than 4 weekend days (Saturdays or Sundays or both) in any calendar year.
    You can use the 28-day allowance for a whole day, consecutive days, or just part of a day. If you are using 28-day allowance for just part of a day, that part still counts as a whole day in calculating your remaining allowance. If the restriction runs across midnight, it counts as two days from your allowance.

    "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I encountered a sign on Werneth Low, near Hyde Cheshire today, which
    read:

    "Bridle path for Riders and Cyclists. No access for walkers".

    This is a new one for me, but by coincidence I met a gent in smart
    waistcoat and walking stick who was a member of the Trust (he said).

    He explained that the sign was for H & S reasons, to prevent walkers
    suffering injury from horses or cyclists rampant. When I mentioned
    Nanny State he bristled, and said that they have to consider the
    possibility of litigation. I pointed out that he was walking on the
    bridle way and he muttered something about 'own risk'.
    --
    Gordon Harris

  15. On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:09:48 +0000, Gordon <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    |I encountered a sign on Werneth Low, near Hyde Cheshire today, which
    |read:
    |
    |"Bridle path for Riders and Cyclists. No access for walkers".
    |
    |This is a new one for me, but by coincidence I met a gent in smart
    |waistcoat and walking stick who was a member of the Trust (he said).

    So what! being a member, as I am, of the National Trust is just a matter of
    paying £28.50 per year. It gives one absolutely no right to speak on
    behalf of the trust
    http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-trust/w-support/w-jointoday/w-jointoday-annual_membership.htm
    You can easily save £28.50 every year in car park fees alone, without ever
    visiting a property.
    --
    Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk>
    17,000 free e-books at Project Gutenberg! http://www.gutenberg.net
    For Yorkshire Dialect go to www.hyphenologist.co.uk/songs/

  16. "W. D. Grey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Dominic Sexton
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    To be fair there is a footpath running parallel to most of the bridle path
    on the other side of the wall / fence - but like you and most other folk
    up there I walk & run on the bridle path cos its a decent path. One of the
    parky folk tried to get me to move off the bridle path last year but I
    declined.

    The promenade which extends from Swansea to Mumbles has a "joint"
    footpath/cyle track on it. The walkers are protected from injury by the
    cyclists by a line painted on the floor !
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

    This is what makes riding the NCN such a nightmare if you actually want to
    get anywhere.

  17. druidh <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Graham Seed said:

    "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I encountered a sign on Werneth Low, near Hyde Cheshire today, which
    read:

    "Bridle path for Riders and Cyclists. No access for walkers".


    [....]

    Quoted message said:


    Unless it's an official RoW, then if the landowner is happy to provide
    a "route" for horses but not walkers, then presumably he can do so as
    it's his land?


    This area I was referring to was gifted to "The people of Hyde and
    district for leisure" (or words to that effect, and I believe it is
    owned by a Trust.

    Dominic may know . . .
    --
    Gordon Harris

  18. In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    druidh <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Graham Seed said:

    "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    >I encountered a sign on Werneth Low, near Hyde Cheshire today, which
    >read:
    >
    >"Bridle path for Riders and Cyclists. No access for walkers".
    >


    [....]

    Quoted message said:


    Unless it's an official RoW, then if the landowner is happy to provide
    a "route" for horses but not walkers, then presumably he can do so as
    it's his land?


    This area I was referring to was gifted to "The people of Hyde and
    district for leisure" (or words to that effect, and I believe it is
    owned by a Trust.

    Dominic may know . . .

    Tameside's website does:

    "In 1920, following a public appeal, which raised exactly £14,013, 14
    shilling and 8 pennies, the War Memorial Committee of the Hyde Borough
    Council made a momentous decision by purchasing Lower Higham Farm and
    all its land. Following the purchase a scheme was put forward to
    protect the land forever for the health and well being of the community,
    a lasting tribute to the 710 men from this area who perished in The
    Great War of 1914 to 1918. On the site known as Hackingknife, at a cost
    of £2,000, Hyde's main war memorial was officially unveiled on the 25th
    of June 1921. The land and farm are now held in trust by the Hyde War
    Memorial Trust.

    During the late 1970s the former Greater Manchester Council, Tameside
    Metropolitan Borough Council and the Hyde War Memorial Trust agreed to
    establish Werneth Low Country Park. On the 9th of June 1980, His Royal
    Highness the Duke of Gloucester officially declared the park open.

    A joint management committee was created, which continues to this day to
    govern country park matters."

    http://www.tameside.gov.uk/tmbc2/werneth.htm

    And possibly of relevance is the fact that the Explorer map shows the
    bridleways as permitted. I believe landowners can grant or deny pretty
    much whatever they like when they allow a permitted ROW over their land.

    --

    Dominic Sexton

  19. Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:


    Dominic may know . . .

    Tameside's website does:

    "In 1920, following a public appeal, which raised exactly £14,013, 14
    shilling and 8 pennies, the War Memorial Committee of the Hyde Borough
    Council made a momentous decision by purchasing Lower Higham Farm and
    all its land. Following the purchase a scheme was put forward to
    protect the land forever for the health and well being of the
    community, a lasting tribute to the 710 men from this area who perished
    in The Great War of 1914 to 1918. On the site known as Hackingknife,
    at a cost of £2,000, Hyde's main war memorial was officially unveiled
    on the 25th of June 1921. The land and farm are now held in trust by
    the Hyde War Memorial Trust.

    During the late 1970s the former Greater Manchester Council, Tameside
    Metropolitan Borough Council and the Hyde War Memorial Trust agreed to
    establish Werneth Low Country Park. On the 9th of June 1980, His Royal
    Highness the Duke of Gloucester officially declared the park open.

    A joint management committee was created, which continues to this day
    to govern country park matters."

    http://www.tameside.gov.uk/tmbc2/werneth.htm

    And possibly of relevance is the fact that the Explorer map shows the
    bridleways as permitted. I believe landowners can grant or deny pretty
    much whatever they like when they allow a permitted ROW over their land.


    D'oh! Why didn't I think of that? I'm sure I've seen it
    before.

    The website is a mine of local information, I find, and members of the
    library can get free access to Encyclopaedia Brittanica (sp?) and OED
    etc for free, plus various newspapers of course.
    --
    Gordon Harris

  20. Worse than that, I remember somewhere in a remote part of Wales there
    was a bridleway which had a "Private Keep Out" sign on it!

    Nick

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