Brian Maxwell May Have Been Overweight

And why is running when overweight dangerous? Surely you
mean that overweight people shouldn't run because it puts
too much strain on their unconditioned physiology, which for
most part wouldn't be true anyway. If that is what you mean,
how does that apply to Brian Maxwell, who was pretty
conditioned in my book?

As for every runner you see being overweight, you must be
hanging around the fat camp at Disneyland, because we sound
a whole lot healthier in my neck of the woods.

D

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"David Hallsworth" <[email hidden]> wrote
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And why is running when overweight dangerous? Surely you
mean that overweight people shouldn't run because it puts
too much strain on their unconditioned physiology, which
for most part wouldn't be true anyway. If that is what you
mean, how does that apply to Brian Maxwell, who was

pretty

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conditioned in my book?

As for every runner you see being overweight, you must be
hanging around

the

Quoted message said:

fat camp at Disneyland, because we sound a whole lot
healthier in my neck

of

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the woods.

david, macelroy is a rather malicious troll from years ago,
who has obviously decided to visit again.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

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david, macelroy is a rather malicious troll from years
ago, who has obviously decided to visit again.

I sort of wondered.....

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I have obtained some sources from people who knew Brian
Maxwell that suggest that he was somewhat overweight.

And those "sources" would be.......?

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you think you can still run the same way when you have put
on weight. Well,

you can't. And doing is just plain dangerous.

So you and your "sources" think Maxwell died running......?
Odd that someone would be running while waiting in line at
the Post Office, don't ya think? He had jogged earlier in
the day without ill effect, "Reuters" reports incidentally
-- note the use of a real "source."

My source is a woman who claims she saw him recently and
felt that he was overweight as she remembered him to be
much leaner.

How being overweight applies to Brian Maxwell is this. He
has the mindset of an elite athlete which he was. Such
athletes have a certain pace they like to set or go by.
They think that they can always run that pace. And
througout Maxwell's life, he always preferred to run a
fast pace in his long runs. Problem is that if you gain
weight and still try to set the same pace, the stresses
increase tremendously. I myself have been way overweight
in the past and believe me, my running then was not a
pretty site. It was extremely stressful to run overweight.

Regarding that Brian Maxwell died while waiting in line at
a post office and not while running. That can be explained
if for instance he did a pretty hard run that morning,
perhaps even finishing fast, though that wouldn't make
much difference if his run was truly hard. If the run was
truly hard and he had a major depletion then his body
would be at a very weak level for at least 2 hours after
the run. All of you take a second and think about how you
feel for several hours right after a race. If there was a
moment of weakness those few hours right after a race
would be it. I myself have had dizzy spells after some
races or hard workouts. Once in a workout, I pushed so
hard I fainted. I literally knocked myself out. Your mind
is capable of pushing your body beyond what it can take.

This sounds just like the start of the Atkins posts after
his fat ass died. Yes he was obese, it was verified.

"macelroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

My source is a woman who claims she saw him recently and
felt that he was overweight as she remembered him to be
much leaner.

How being overweight applies to Brian Maxwell is this.
He has the mindset of an elite athlete which he was.
Such athletes have a certain pace they like to set or go
by. They think that they can always run that pace. And
througout Maxwell's life, he always preferred to run a
fast pace in his long runs. Problem is that if you gain
weight and still try to set the same pace, the stresses
increase tremendously. I myself have been way overweight
in the past and believe me, my running then was not a
pretty site. It was extremely stressful to run
overweight.

Regarding that Brian Maxwell died while waiting in line
at a post office and not while running. That can be
explained if for instance he did a pretty hard run that
morning, perhaps even finishing fast, though that
wouldn't make much difference if his run was truly hard.
If the run was truly hard and he had a major depletion
then his body would be at a very weak level for at least
2 hours after the run. All of you take a second and
think about how you feel for several hours right after a
race. If there was a moment of weakness those few hours
right after a race would be it. I myself have had dizzy
spells after some races or hard workouts. Once in a
workout, I pushed so hard I fainted. I literally knocked
myself out. Your mind is capable of pushing your body
beyond what it can take.

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I have said this before on this board and I'll say it
again to drill it all into your heads. Most of you
out there need to diet more than you need to run. And
that running overweight can be very dangerous and can
kill you.

The Cooper Institute scientifically supports the opposite
opinion. Overweight people who engage in sufficient aerobic
exercise have about the same mortality as there active thin
counterparts. Inactive thin people have more metabolitic
disease than active overweight people.

Dr. Cooper started the running and gym booms in the
late 1960s by writing a book on the importance of
aerobic exercise.

rick++ said:

Quoted message said:

I have said this before on this board and I'll say it
again to drill it all into your heads. Most of you
out there need to diet more than you need to run. And
that running overweight can be very dangerous and can
kill you.

The Cooper Institute scientifically supports the opposite
opinion. Overweight people who engage in sufficient
aerobic exercise have about the same mortality as there
active thin counterparts. Inactive thin people have more
metabolitic disease than active overweight people.

Dr. Cooper started the running and gym booms in the late
1960s by writing a book on the importance of aerobic
exercise.

Please don't let facts get in the way of a perfectly good
macle-douche myth. Place him ever so gently into your
kill file.

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

rick++ said:

Quoted message said:

I have said this before on this board and I'll say it
again to drill it all into your heads. Most of you
out there need to diet more than you need to run. And
that running overweight can be very dangerous and can
kill you.

The Cooper Institute scientifically supports the opposite
opinion. Overweight people who engage in sufficient
aerobic exercise have about the same mortality as there
active thin counterparts. Inactive thin people have more
metabolitic disease than active overweight people.

Dr. Cooper started the running and gym booms in the late
1960s by writing a book on the importance of aerobic
exercise.

Strawman: the original argument did not contrast obese
active folks vs. thin inactive people. It's about thin
runners vs. obese runners. Though I hate to say it, it's a
common sense observation--seems to me--that thin runners, on
average, should have a lower risk of injury than their obese
counter-parts. Having said that, recommending that obese
folks diet before they commence running (or any other
exercise) is rather begging the question, since running (or
any other exercise) will aid in weight loss and is often
recommended as part of a weight loss program.

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(macelroy) said:

Your mind is capable of pushing your body beyond what it
can take

That is very true.

--
Nova Scotia, Canada

Rick,

Your mortality rate statistics ASSUME that an overweight
person will train lightly or moderately. More likely your
average overweight person will play Simon Says and think
that's exercise.

Do you have any idea how hard Maxwell used to push
himself. Brian Maxwell did not know the MEANING of the
word jogging as most of you don't know the meaning of the
word running like the guy in another post here who was so
proud that he ran 6:10 per mile in a 5K race. Maxwell
would run 15 miles at 5:30 per mile daily. He would only
think of you guys as a complete joke. The word jogging
was an INSULT to him and he wouldn't even like to be
caught doing it.

Now you take Maxwell's obsessive compulsive committed
dedicated hard driving body and all of a sudden add 30,
40 or 50 pounds to it and then have him attempt to do
the same kind of extreme running that your normal Simon
Says playing overweight person couldn't dream of and
what do you get. You get heart damage.

[email hidden] (rick++) wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have said this before on this board and I'll say it
again to drill it all into your heads. Most of you out
there need to diet more than you need to run. And that
running overweight can be very dangerous and can kill
you.

The Cooper Institute scientifically supports the opposite
opinion. Overweight people who engage in sufficient
aerobic exercise have about the same mortality as there
active thin counterparts. Inactive thin people have more
metabolitic disease than active overweight people.

Dr. Cooper started the running and gym booms in the late
1960s by writing a book on the importance of aerobic
exercise.

Family history killed him...

"macelroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

My source is a woman who claims she saw him recently and
felt that he was overweight as she remembered him to be
much leaner.

How being overweight applies to Brian Maxwell is this.
He has the mindset of an elite athlete which he was.
Such athletes have a certain pace they like to set or go
by. They think that they can always run that pace. And
througout Maxwell's life, he always preferred to run a
fast pace in his long runs. Problem is that if you gain
weight and still try to set the same pace, the stresses
increase tremendously. I myself have been way overweight
in the past and believe me, my running then was not a
pretty site. It was extremely stressful to run
overweight.

Regarding that Brian Maxwell died while waiting in line
at a post office and not while running. That can be
explained if for instance he did a pretty hard run that
morning, perhaps even finishing fast, though that
wouldn't make much difference if his run was truly hard.
If the run was truly hard and he had a major depletion
then his body would be at a very weak level for at least
2 hours after the run. All of you take a second and
think about how you feel for several hours right after a
race. If there was a moment of weakness those few hours
right after a race would be it. I myself have had dizzy
spells after some races or hard workouts. Once in a
workout, I pushed so hard I fainted. I literally knocked
myself out. Your mind is capable of pushing your body
beyond what it can take.

In article said:

Rick,

Your mortality rate statistics ASSUME that an
overweight person will train lightly or moderately.
More likely your average overweight person will play
Simon Says and think that's exercise.

Do you have any idea how hard Maxwell used to push
himself. Brian Maxwell did not know the MEANING of the
word jogging as most of you don't know the meaning of
the word running like the guy in another post here who
was so proud that he ran 6:10 per mile in a 5K race.
Maxwell would run 15 miles at 5:30 per mile daily. He
would only think of you guys as a complete joke. The
word jogging was an INSULT to him and he wouldn't even
like to be caught doing it.

Now you take Maxwell's obsessive compulsive committed
dedicated hard driving body and all of a sudden add
30, 40 or 50 pounds to it and then have him attempt to
do the same kind of extreme running that your normal
Simon Says playing overweight person couldn't dream of
and what do you get. You get heart damage.

It would be a simple (if tedious) matter to disect this
illogical, erroneous [censored] -- but in the interests of
brevity, let me just point out that you're a moron.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

macelroy said:

Regarding that Brian Maxwell died while waiting in line at
a post office and not while running. That can be explained
if for instance he did a pretty hard run that morning,
perhaps even finishing fast, though that wouldn't make
much difference if his run was truly hard. If the run was
truly hard and he had a major depletion then his body
would be at a very weak level for at least 2 hours after
the run.

"A very weak level"??? No one dies of whatever non-
scientific non-medical blather you are talking about. He
died of a massive myocardial infarction, a.k.a. heart
attack. That had nothing to do with being the right weight
or the wrong weight. His supposed 30 extra pounds were not
located in his coronary arteries blocking bloodflow to his
heart. Massive, immediately lethal heart attacks are from
plaques in arteries to the heart fissuring at random,
causing platelets to aggregate and clot, which forms a
sudden obstruction in that blood vessel feeding the heart.
The portion of heart muscle fed by that artery choked and
died, and either the pumping effectiveness was fatally
compromised, or more likely the electrical signalling
directing the heart's coordinated rhythmic beating was
disrupted by the dying tissue and causing a lethal
arrhythmia.

Although no one can be sure, it is very likely that had
Maxwell, and Jim Fixx, and others like them (and like
us) not been runners, they would have succumbed to this
fate earlier. Their running, at any weight, minimized
the effects of blood pressure, made their cholesterol
better, conditioned their hearts to withstand any insult
better, etc.

So don't pretend that running was the culprit, nor was
running with any amount of "extra pounds". Yes, running with
extra weight is more demanding, mainly on the orthopedic
structures of the body, and even on the circulatory
physiology. But it doesn't kill people.

Cut the [censored] misleading people to the contrary. -- Josh
Steinberg MD, Syracuse

macelroy said:

Brian Maxwell did not know the MEANING of the word jogging
as most of you don't know the meaning of the word running
like the guy in another post here who was so proud that he
ran 6:10 per mile in a 5K race. Maxwell would run 15 miles
at 5:30 per mile daily. He would only think of you guys as
a complete joke.

Well, that's enough for me. Anyone so disrespectful as to
tell me and others that I'm not "running" if I'm not meeting
your elitist ideas of real performance is going going ...
gone. Kill file.

Go harass another newsgroup. -- Josh

"Josh Steinberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

macelroy said:

Regarding that Brian Maxwell died while waiting in line
at a post office and not while running. That can be
explained if for instance he did a pretty hard run that
morning, perhaps even finishing fast, though that
wouldn't make much difference if his run was truly hard.
If the run was truly hard and he had a major depletion
then his body would be at a very weak level for at least
2 hours after the run.

"A very weak level"??? No one dies of whatever non-
scientific non-medical blather you are talking about. He
died of a massive myocardial infarction, a.k.a. heart
attack. That had nothing to do with being the right weight
or the wrong weight. His supposed 30 extra pounds were not
located in his coronary arteries blocking bloodflow to his
heart. Massive, immediately lethal heart attacks are from
plaques in arteries to the heart fissuring at random,
causing platelets to aggregate and clot, which forms a
sudden obstruction in that blood vessel feeding the heart.
The portion of heart muscle fed by that artery choked and
died, and either the pumping effectiveness was fatally
compromised, or more likely the electrical signalling
directing the heart's coordinated rhythmic beating was
disrupted by the dying tissue and causing a lethal
arrhythmia.

Although no one can be sure, it is very likely that had
Maxwell, and Jim Fixx, and others like them (and like
us) not been runners, they would have succumbed to this
fate earlier. Their running, at any weight, minimized
the effects of blood pressure, made their cholesterol
better, conditioned their hearts to withstand any insult
better, etc.

So don't pretend that running was the culprit, nor was
running with any amount of "extra pounds". Yes, running
with extra weight is more demanding, mainly on the
orthopedic structures of the body, and even on the
circulatory physiology. But it doesn't kill people.

Cut the [censored] misleading people to the contrary. -- Josh
Steinberg MD, Syracuse

It is worth noting that Steven Blair is overweight (from a
real clinical perspective) yet runs regularly and other than
some acute injuries (like stepping off a curb wrong) to my
knowledge has not had any problems even with joints. (Blair
is a doc at the Cooper Institute).

For you to react the way you have it's obvious you are fat.
And you think it's OK to be fat because being fat doesn't
mean you will have a heart attack. Please don't justify
being overweight. You do a disservice to everyone. Lose it.
I could fix that for you which obviously your medical
knowledge hasn't been able to.

And please don't even begin to compare a complete idiot
like Jim Fixx who couldn't run a mile a day in his life
at the speed that Brian Maxwell ran his long runs every
single day. Jim Fixx was a total useless clown wannabe
runner whose book was a disgrace to running and disaster
in giving runners the wrong information on how to run.
When you compare Jim Fixx to Maxwell, it just makes me
want to puke.

As I said before and I'll say it again, the problem with
most runners to begin with and surely you is that you are
overweight and think that if you just run you can continue
to eat and you will drop weight. That won't happen that
easily. Maybe you will drop some weight but at a snails
pace like maybe 1/4 pound per week. If you are 50 pounds
overweight or more as you could be, then it will take you
years to lose that weight and chances are you won't have
the motivation to continue working out consistantly for
that long a period of time. I have been around and seen
examples of this 1,000 times. Read my writing. YOU MUST
DIET. YOU MUST DIET. YOU MUST DIET.

Regarding if Maxwell had plaque buildup in his arteries.
It could be. I don't really know how he has lived his
life for the last 10 years. The last time I saw him was
approximately 5 years ago when he ran a corporate 5K race
completely out of shape and still managed to run 5:15 per
mile. He was heavier then as I remember. It's possible
that he let his running and conditioning slip too much
but I don't think so. He sold his company several years
ago and should have had a lot more time in the last few
years to devote to running.

plaques in arteries to the heart fissuring at random,
causing platelets to aggregate and clot, which forms a
sudden obstruction in that blood vessel feeding the heart.
The portion of heart muscle fed by that artery choked and
died, and either the pumping effectiveness was fatally
compromised, or more likely the electrical signalling
directing the heart's coordinated rhythmic beating was
disrupted by the dying tissue and causing a lethal
arrhythmia.

Regarding

macelroy said:

Regarding that Brian Maxwell died while waiting in line at
a post office and not while running. That can be explained
if for instance he did a pretty hard run that morning,
perhaps even finishing fast, though that wouldn't make
much difference if his run was truly hard. If the run was
truly hard and he had a major depletion then his body
would be at a very weak level for at least 2 hours after
the run.

"A very weak level"??? No one dies of whatever non-
scientific non-medical blather you are talking about. He
died of a massive myocardial infarction, a.k.a. heart
attack. That had nothing to do with being the right weight
or the wrong weight. His supposed 30 extra pounds were not
located in his coronary arteries blocking bloodflow to his
heart. Massive, immediately lethal heart attacks are from
plaques in arteries to the heart fissuring at random,
causing platelets to aggregate and clot, which forms a
sudden obstruction in that blood vessel feeding the heart.
The portion of heart muscle fed by that artery choked and
died, and either the pumping effectiveness was fatally
compromised, or more likely the electrical signalling
directing the heart's coordinated rhythmic beating was
disrupted by the dying tissue and causing a lethal
arrhythmia.

Although no one can be sure, it is very likely that had
Maxwell, and Jim Fixx, and others like them (and like
us) not been runners, they would have succumbed to this
fate earlier. Their running, at any weight, minimized
the effects of blood pressure, made their cholesterol
better, conditioned their hearts to withstand any insult
better, etc.

So don't pretend that running was the culprit, nor was
running with any amount of "extra pounds". Yes, running with
extra weight is more demanding, mainly on the orthopedic
structures of the body, and even on the circulatory
physiology. But it doesn't kill people.

Cut the [censored] misleading people to the contrary. -- Josh
Steinberg MD, Syracuse

Josh Steinberg <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

macelroy said:

Brian Maxwell did not know the MEANING of the word
jogging as most of you don't know the meaning of the
word running like the guy in another post here who was
so proud that he ran 6:10 per mile in a 5K race. Maxwell
would run 15 miles at 5:30 per mile daily. He would only
think of you guys as a complete joke.

Well, that's enough for me. Anyone so disrespectful as to
tell me and others that I'm not "running" if I'm not
meeting your elitist ideas of real performance is going
going ... gone. Kill file.

Go harass another newsgroup. -- Josh

"macelroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

For you to react the way you have it's obvious you are
fat. And you think it's OK to be fat because being fat
doesn't mean you will have a heart attack. Please don't
justify being overweight. You do a disservice to everyone.
Lose it. I could fix that for you which obviously your
medical knowledge hasn't been able to.

And please don't even begin to compare a complete idiot
like Jim Fixx who couldn't run a mile a day in his life
at the speed that Brian Maxwell ran his long runs every
single day. Jim Fixx was a total useless clown wannabe
runner whose book was a disgrace to running and
disaster in giving runners the wrong information on how
to run. When you compare Jim Fixx to Maxwell, it just
makes me want to puke.

As I said before and I'll say it again, the problem with
most runners to begin with and surely you is that you
are overweight and think that if you just run you can
continue to eat and you will drop weight. That won't
happen that easily. Maybe you will drop some weight but
at a snails pace like maybe 1/4 pound per week. If you
are 50 pounds overweight or more as you could be, then
it will take you years to lose that weight and chances
are you won't have the motivation to continue working
out consistantly for that long a period of time. I have
been around and seen examples of this 1,000 times. Read
my writing. YOU MUST DIET. YOU MUST DIET. YOU MUST DIET.

Regarding if Maxwell had plaque buildup in his
arteries. It could be. I don't really know how he has
lived his life for the last 10 years. The last time I
saw him was approximately 5 years ago when he ran a
corporate 5K race completely out of shape and still
managed to run 5:15 per mile. He was heavier then as I
remember. It's possible that he let his running and
conditioning slip too much but I don't think so. He
sold his company several years ago and should have had
a lot more time in the last few years to devote to
running.

Chances are he had plaque. Autopsies of 17 and 18 year
olds killed in Vietnam had blockages. A man of Brian's
age would have some plaque.

Funny how your come back to everything is "You are fat."

Are you 12 or 13 years old? You act about that age.

Quoted message said:

plaques in arteries to the heart fissuring at random,
causing platelets to aggregate and clot, which forms a
sudden obstruction in that blood vessel feeding the heart.
The portion of heart muscle fed by that artery choked and
died, and either the pumping effectiveness was fatally
compromised, or more likely the electrical signalling
directing the heart's coordinated rhythmic beating was
disrupted by the dying tissue and causing a lethal
arrhythmia.

Regarding

macelroy said:

Regarding that Brian Maxwell died while waiting in line
at a post office and not while running. That can be
explained if for instance he did a pretty hard run that
morning, perhaps even finishing fast, though that
wouldn't make much difference if his run was truly hard.
If the run was truly hard and he had a major depletion
then his body would be at a very weak level for at least
2 hours after the run.

"A very weak level"??? No one dies of whatever non-
scientific non-medical blather you are talking about. He
died of a massive myocardial infarction, a.k.a. heart
attack. That had nothing to do with being the right weight
or the wrong weight. His supposed 30 extra pounds were not
located in his coronary arteries blocking bloodflow to his
heart. Massive, immediately lethal heart attacks are from
plaques in arteries to the heart fissuring at random,
causing platelets to aggregate and clot, which forms a
sudden obstruction in that blood vessel feeding the heart.
The portion of heart muscle fed by that artery choked and
died, and either the pumping effectiveness was fatally
compromised, or more likely the electrical signalling
directing the heart's coordinated rhythmic beating was
disrupted by the dying tissue and causing a lethal
arrhythmia.

Although no one can be sure, it is very likely that had
Maxwell, and Jim Fixx, and others like them (and like
us) not been runners, they would have succumbed to this
fate earlier. Their running, at any weight, minimized
the effects of blood pressure, made their cholesterol
better, conditioned their hearts to withstand any insult
better, etc.

So don't pretend that running was the culprit, nor was
running with any amount of "extra pounds". Yes, running
with extra weight is more demanding, mainly on the
orthopedic structures of the body, and even on the
circulatory physiology. But it doesn't kill people.

Cut the [censored] misleading people to the contrary. -- Josh
Steinberg MD, Syracuse

Josh Steinberg <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

macelroy said:

Brian Maxwell did not know the MEANING of the word
jogging as most of you don't know the meaning of the
word running like the guy in another post here who was
so proud that he ran 6:10 per mile in a 5K race.
Maxwell would run 15 miles at 5:30 per mile daily. He
would only think of you guys as a complete joke.

Well, that's enough for me. Anyone so disrespectful as
to tell me and

others that I'm not "running" if

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not meeting your elitist ideas of real performance
is going going

... gone. Kill file.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Go harass another newsgroup. -- Josh