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  1. this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+ months
    now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
    breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than regular
    ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it. I was
    willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of discipline
    overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
    however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a
    recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
    suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after eating
    it and found it elevated.

    anyone else encountered problems with this product?
    Bob
    197+/160/160.5 .

  2. bob said:

    this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+ months
    now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
    breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than regular
    ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it. I was
    willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of discipline
    overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
    however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a
    recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
    suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after eating
    it and found it elevated.

    anyone else encountered problems with this product?
    Bob
    197+/160/160.5 .

    Do you count the sugar alcohols as carbs? or believe the marketing and
    discount them as unconsumable by the human body?

    SA's vary and they can and do get absorbed as carbs by the body, so
    one would think they CAN and DO elevate glucose levels. While I've
    read that they are NOT a sugar NOT an alcohol, I have not found an
    article yet that explains that most do not break down into a sugar.
    There is one with near-zero impact. But I think it is typically used
    just in gum. The idea seems to be, though clouded by constant
    marketing, that they don't digest easily--something that varies from
    person to person. SOme seem to rely on that undigestibility to avoid
    carb-absorption in the body. I personally think how much maltitol gets
    converted is linked to whether you go into gastric distress. IF it
    runs through your body like a marathon you aren't digesting it--yeah
    for your glucose count but ... ick on the other side. If it has no
    gastric effect--as it does with me-- I'm assuming my body is digesting
    it reasonably well. It could be quite the opposite--gastric distress
    reveals a breakdown of maltitol and the side effects of its broken
    down components.

    I just discovered that a product with inulin--not an SA, and the first
    I think I've consumed--give me very bad flatulence. Enough that I
    really can't leave the house without embarassment.

    I count carbs as total carbs minus fiber and that's that. SAs count
    because most of us just can't KNOW that it doesn't. I believe Jenny
    did tests to prove to herself that Maltitol cause a glucose rise equiv
    to 75% of its carb count--which is what other sources estimate gets
    absorbed from maltitol.

    I think the Breyers is merely an example of social engineering
    interfereing with infomation. Amongst low-carb products I consider
    this and Chips Ahoy's Carb Sensible Cookies to be the best tasting
    products on the market. Both of these products would be the most
    appealing and the most likely to overeat and trigger old habits of
    lusting after chocolate or trigger old eating patterns. Breyer's SAs
    are just as guilty as all other SAs of affecting glucose and your carb
    counts.

    That's just my opinion. (the sound of a spooning scrapping the bottom
    of an empty carton of Breyers chocolate in the background)
    DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
    350/275/Jun-275/200
    Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
    Maint.-70 carbs/day (CCLL=50-60)

  3. On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:13:38 GMT, "bob" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On a recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
    suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after eating
    it and found it elevated.

    anyone else encountered problems with this product?

    I haven't tried it (I'm not much of an ice cream eater), but I do thank you
    for the warning about blood sugar spikes. I'll stick with DaVinci flavored
    yogurt. <G>

    Carol
    --
    227/211/150 (Thursdays)
    Fasting BG: 119
    Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
    Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001
    http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie

  4. hmm. i have been eating other sugar alcohol products (in moderation) with no
    trouble to speak of, of course i am in maintenance, so my goals are
    different. (i don't mind a stall)
    the theory about gastro-intestinal distress is interesting, as malitol et ol
    bothers my wife quite a bit, but the worst i can say about them is perhaps
    an increase in gas.

    perhaps it is just the high calorie content compared to other low carb
    products that are throwing us?

    "DigitalVinyl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    bob said:

    this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+
    months
    now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
    breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than
    regular
    ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it. I
    was
    willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of discipline
    overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
    however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a
    recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
    suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after
    eating
    it and found it elevated.

    anyone else encountered problems with this product?
    Bob
    197+/160/160.5 .

    Do you count the sugar alcohols as carbs? or believe the marketing and
    discount them as unconsumable by the human body?

    SA's vary and they can and do get absorbed as carbs by the body, so
    one would think they CAN and DO elevate glucose levels. While I've
    read that they are NOT a sugar NOT an alcohol, I have not found an
    article yet that explains that most do not break down into a sugar.
    There is one with near-zero impact. But I think it is typically used
    just in gum. The idea seems to be, though clouded by constant
    marketing, that they don't digest easily--something that varies from
    person to person. SOme seem to rely on that undigestibility to avoid
    carb-absorption in the body. I personally think how much maltitol gets
    converted is linked to whether you go into gastric distress. IF it
    runs through your body like a marathon you aren't digesting it--yeah
    for your glucose count but ... ick on the other side. If it has no
    gastric effect--as it does with me-- I'm assuming my body is digesting
    it reasonably well. It could be quite the opposite--gastric distress
    reveals a breakdown of maltitol and the side effects of its broken
    down components.

    I just discovered that a product with inulin--not an SA, and the first
    I think I've consumed--give me very bad flatulence. Enough that I
    really can't leave the house without embarassment.

    I count carbs as total carbs minus fiber and that's that. SAs count
    because most of us just can't KNOW that it doesn't. I believe Jenny
    did tests to prove to herself that Maltitol cause a glucose rise equiv
    to 75% of its carb count--which is what other sources estimate gets
    absorbed from maltitol.

    I think the Breyers is merely an example of social engineering
    interfereing with infomation. Amongst low-carb products I consider
    this and Chips Ahoy's Carb Sensible Cookies to be the best tasting
    products on the market. Both of these products would be the most
    appealing and the most likely to overeat and trigger old habits of
    lusting after chocolate or trigger old eating patterns. Breyer's SAs
    are just as guilty as all other SAs of affecting glucose and your carb
    counts.

    That's just my opinion. (the sound of a spooning scrapping the bottom
    of an empty carton of Breyers chocolate in the background)
    DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
    350/275/Jun-275/200
    Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
    Maint.-70 carbs/day (CCLL=50-60)

  5. bob wrote:
    | this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+
    | months now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my
    | suspicions about breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor,
    | tastes better than regular ice cream, but noticed weight gains
    | usually associated with eating it. I was willing to chalk it up to
    | generous portions, or general lack of discipline overall of which the
    | icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions however with the
    | owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a recent visit
    | he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
    | suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after
    | eating it and found it elevated.
    |
    | anyone else encountered problems with this product?
    | Bob
    | 197+/160/160.5 .

    My experience is exactly the opposite. I see no weight gain after eating
    Carb Smart, and no interference with my wieght loss. I'm T2, and it does
    not affect my blood sugar at all.

    Of course, I only eat two or three tablespoons at a time. Anyone who pigs
    out on high-calorie junk food regardless of the carb content is going to
    sabotage their diet. As JC would say, it's how they got fat in the first
    place -- and the food product can't be blamed.
    --
    Peter
    270/215/180
    Before/Current Pix:
    http://users.thelink.net/marengo/weightlosspix/weightlosspix.html

  6. perhaps the problem is that it is less forgiving of overindulgence than
    other foods. if i have more than one serving of carptopia muffins, or
    peanuts, i suffer little effect (though if i am a pound up, it will
    certainly not go down) however if i have a genuine bowlful of breyers, then
    i gain a half to full pound.

    as noted, i tended to view this as part of eating too much for a day, of
    which the breyers, being the dessert, was the last and most notable.
    however, other customers of this store saw a similar pattern, that suggests
    there is some problem to me....
    bob

    "marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    bob wrote:
    | this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+
    | months now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my
    | suspicions about breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor,
    | tastes better than regular ice cream, but noticed weight gains
    | usually associated with eating it. I was willing to chalk it up to
    | generous portions, or general lack of discipline overall of which the
    | icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions however with the
    | owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a recent visit
    | he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
    | suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after
    | eating it and found it elevated.
    |
    | anyone else encountered problems with this product?
    | Bob
    | 197+/160/160.5 .

    My experience is exactly the opposite. I see no weight gain after eating
    Carb Smart, and no interference with my wieght loss. I'm T2, and it does
    not affect my blood sugar at all.

    Of course, I only eat two or three tablespoons at a time. Anyone who pigs
    out on high-calorie junk food regardless of the carb content is going to
    sabotage their diet. As JC would say, it's how they got fat in the first
    place -- and the food product can't be blamed.
    --
    Peter
    270/215/180
    Before/Current Pix:
    http://users.thelink.net/marengo/weightlosspix/weightlosspix.html

  7. "marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    bob wrote:
    | this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+
    | months now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my
    | suspicions about breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor,
    | tastes better than regular ice cream, but noticed weight gains
    | usually associated with eating it. I was willing to chalk it up to
    | generous portions, or general lack of discipline overall of which the
    | icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions however with the
    | owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a recent visit
    | he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
    | suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after
    | eating it and found it elevated.
    |
    | anyone else encountered problems with this product?
    | Bob
    | 197+/160/160.5 .

    My experience is exactly the opposite. I see no weight gain after eating
    Carb Smart, and no interference with my wieght loss. I'm T2, and it does
    not affect my blood sugar at all.

    Of course, I only eat two or three tablespoons at a time. Anyone who pigs
    out on high-calorie junk food regardless of the carb content is going to
    sabotage their diet. As JC would say, it's how they got fat in the first
    place -- and the food product can't be blamed.
    --
    Peter
    270/215/180
    Before/Current Pix:
    http://users.thelink.net/marengo/weightlosspix/weightlosspix.html

    I guess we are all learning from JC

    Product X is not low carb and
    That's how we got fat in the first place and
    Say it with me everyone...
    Eat less and exercise more.

    Diane

  8. "Diane Ball" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I guess we are all learning from JC

    Product X is not low carb and
    That's how we got fat in the first place and
    Say it with me everyone...
    Eat less and exercise more.

    Excellent.

  9. Diane Ball said:

    I guess we are all learning from JC

    Product X is not low carb and

    Sometimes it is.

    Quoted message said:

    That's how we got fat in the first place and

    Some of us got fat because of medications or medical problems

    Quoted message said:

    Say it with me everyone...
    Eat less and exercise more.

    Okay, that I can agree with. But his sweeping generalizations are very
    often dead wrong.

    Carol
    --
    227/211/150 (Thursdays)
    Fasting BG: 119
    Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
    Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001
    http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie

  10. "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Diane Ball said:

    I guess we are all learning from JC

    Product X is not low carb and

    Sometimes it is.

    Quoted message said:

    That's how we got fat in the first place and

    Some of us got fat because of medications or medical problems

    Even with medications or medical problems you can't get fatter unless you
    eat above maintenance calories.

    Or maybe next time there's a famine in Ethopia we should just send some
    pills. Yeah. That oughta do it.

    Btw, do some research on cognitive dissonance.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Say it with me everyone...
    Eat less and exercise more.

    Okay, that I can agree with. But his sweeping generalizations are very
    often dead wrong.

    Carol
    --
    227/211/150 (Thursdays)
    Fasting BG: 119
    Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
    Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001
    http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie

  11. 20% of my food by calories comes from low carb ice creams. About half of
    that is Breyers. I have no problems with it.

    Perhaps you have a quantity/portioning problem.

    Cubit
    311/225/165

    "bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+


    months

    Quoted message said:

    now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
    breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than


    regular

    Quoted message said:

    ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it. I


    was

    Quoted message said:

    willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of discipline
    overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
    however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a
    recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
    suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after


    eating

    Quoted message said:

    it and found it elevated.

    anyone else encountered problems with this product?
    Bob
    197+/160/160.5 .

  12. i am not sure i should continue this thread, since obviously i have fallen
    into the same old long running debate that some months ago caused me to stop
    monitoring this group

    i understand portions, i understand exercise. I could not have reached my
    goal of 40 pound weight loss, and held it for the last 7 months without
    understanding both. I weigh every day and modify my diet accordingly. If i
    go 3 pounds up, i go on a mini induction and significant portion reduction.
    This has happened only 3 times. (3 pounds low, which has happened twice
    calls for a big breakfast and lunch). Most of the time I am either not
    worrying (1-2 pounds down) or worrying (1-2 pounds up) During the later, I
    cut back somewhat, eating a very small lunch. I exercise 1.5 hours a day 5-6
    times a week, so there is not much to increase there. over time i have been
    trying to understand what foods did and did not cause fluctuation in weight.
    It is very clear to me that some foods of supposedly equal caloric value
    have different impact on my weight. What is not clear is the causality. I at
    first thought that the breyers was simply the final indulgance, and blaming
    it was like thinking the cherry on the ice cream sundae was the problem,
    however, others in the low carb store also noted problems with this food,
    and that piqued my interest.

    As such I was simply trying to alert/question whether this product might
    not be what it pretends to be.
    Unlike some people here, i do not believe we have to all eat the exact same
    food and exercise exactly the same way to lose weight. In particular, for
    some of us it is decreasing cravings, which helps us maintain our portions,
    for others it is eating much more strictly and simply. I happen to like some
    low carb products, and find that i can enjoy them without the same
    consequences that occur when I eat a similar treat that is sugar based.
    Yesterday, amongst my meals of flaxseed bagels , whole grain crackers and
    tomato pie, asparagus,i had snacks of a low carb candy bar, and a low carb
    cookie. I lost a pound. Were I to substitute a sugar cookie and a real candy
    bar, I would not have lost weight, for more reasons than the calories
    contained in the treat.

    If this group is to serve as some kind of low carb community, then someone
    should be able to post such a question without getting grief for eating such
    low carb foods. I am delighted that companies are trying to accomodate me.
    If you don't like them, or they don't work for you, don't eat them, but
    don't assume like every busybody since the beginning of time that because
    they aren't right for you they aren't right for anyone. Those that cannot
    eat artificially low carb treats, or who have chosen not to, should ignore
    threads about them, much as mennonites ignore people discussing car safety
    issues.

    Bob
    197+/160/160.5

    "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    20% of my food by calories comes from low carb ice creams. About half of
    that is Breyers. I have no problems with it.

    Perhaps you have a quantity/portioning problem.

    Cubit
    311/225/165

    "bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+


    months

    Quoted message said:

    now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
    breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than


    regular

    Quoted message said:

    ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it. I


    was

    Quoted message said:

    willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of
    discipline
    overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
    however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a
    recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
    suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after


    eating

    Quoted message said:

    it and found it elevated.

    anyone else encountered problems with this product?
    Bob
    197+/160/160.5 .

  13. Your day to day fluctuations are probably a matter of water retention, there
    may well be something in the Breyer's that causes you to retain water. Your
    supposed fine tuning is an illusion, you are only gaining or losing if a
    trend continues over a couple of weeks or more.

    In news:[email hidden],
    bob <[email hidden]> stated
    | i am not sure i should continue this thread, since obviously i have
    | fallen into the same old long running debate that some months ago
    | caused me to stop monitoring this group
    |
    | i understand portions, i understand exercise. I could not have
    | reached my goal of 40 pound weight loss, and held it for the last 7
    | months without understanding both. I weigh every day and modify my
    | diet accordingly. If i go 3 pounds up, i go on a mini induction and
    | significant portion reduction. This has happened only 3 times. (3
    | pounds low, which has happened twice calls for a big breakfast and
    | lunch). Most of the time I am either not worrying (1-2 pounds down)
    | or worrying (1-2 pounds up) During the later, I cut back somewhat,
    | eating a very small lunch. I exercise 1.5 hours a day 5-6 times a
    | week, so there is not much to increase there. over time i have been
    | trying to understand what foods did and did not cause fluctuation in
    | weight. It is very clear to me that some foods of supposedly equal
    | caloric value have different impact on my weight. What is not clear
    | is the causality. I at first thought that the breyers was simply the
    | final indulgance, and blaming it was like thinking the cherry on the
    | ice cream sundae was the problem, however, others in the low carb
    | store also noted problems with this food, and that piqued my
    | interest.
    |
    | As such I was simply trying to alert/question whether this product
    | might not be what it pretends to be.
    | Unlike some people here, i do not believe we have to all eat the
    | exact same food and exercise exactly the same way to lose weight. In
    | particular, for some of us it is decreasing cravings, which helps us
    | maintain our portions, for others it is eating much more strictly and
    | simply. I happen to like some low carb products, and find that i can
    | enjoy them without the same consequences that occur when I eat a
    | similar treat that is sugar based. Yesterday, amongst my meals of
    | flaxseed bagels , whole grain crackers and tomato pie, asparagus,i
    | had snacks of a low carb candy bar, and a low carb cookie. I lost a
    | pound. Were I to substitute a sugar cookie and a real candy bar, I
    | would not have lost weight, for more reasons than the calories
    | contained in the treat.
    |
    | If this group is to serve as some kind of low carb community, then
    | someone should be able to post such a question without getting grief
    | for eating such low carb foods. I am delighted that companies are
    | trying to accomodate me. If you don't like them, or they don't work
    | for you, don't eat them, but don't assume like every busybody since
    | the beginning of time that because they aren't right for you they
    | aren't right for anyone. Those that cannot eat artificially low carb
    | treats, or who have chosen not to, should ignore threads about them,
    | much as mennonites ignore people discussing car safety issues.
    |
    | Bob
    | 197+/160/160.5
    |

  14. I tend to agree with you on the illusion part, but spending a lot of time on
    data, i do look at more than day to day trends. I myself do not have the
    data I need to say I have a problem with breyers (it is on my watch closely
    list) however, as noted, it had independently gotten the attention of
    others, including one with an unspecified jump in blood sugar. That was
    enough for me to raise the question.

    "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Your day to day fluctuations are probably a matter of water retention,
    there
    may well be something in the Breyer's that causes you to retain water.
    Your
    supposed fine tuning is an illusion, you are only gaining or losing if a
    trend continues over a couple of weeks or more.

    In news:[email hidden],
    bob <[email hidden]> stated
    | i am not sure i should continue this thread, since obviously i have
    | fallen into the same old long running debate that some months ago
    | caused me to stop monitoring this group
    |
    | i understand portions, i understand exercise. I could not have
    | reached my goal of 40 pound weight loss, and held it for the last 7
    | months without understanding both. I weigh every day and modify my
    | diet accordingly. If i go 3 pounds up, i go on a mini induction and
    | significant portion reduction. This has happened only 3 times. (3
    | pounds low, which has happened twice calls for a big breakfast and
    | lunch). Most of the time I am either not worrying (1-2 pounds down)
    | or worrying (1-2 pounds up) During the later, I cut back somewhat,
    | eating a very small lunch. I exercise 1.5 hours a day 5-6 times a
    | week, so there is not much to increase there. over time i have been
    | trying to understand what foods did and did not cause fluctuation in
    | weight. It is very clear to me that some foods of supposedly equal
    | caloric value have different impact on my weight. What is not clear
    | is the causality. I at first thought that the breyers was simply the
    | final indulgance, and blaming it was like thinking the cherry on the
    | ice cream sundae was the problem, however, others in the low carb
    | store also noted problems with this food, and that piqued my
    | interest.
    |
    | As such I was simply trying to alert/question whether this product
    | might not be what it pretends to be.
    | Unlike some people here, i do not believe we have to all eat the
    | exact same food and exercise exactly the same way to lose weight. In
    | particular, for some of us it is decreasing cravings, which helps us
    | maintain our portions, for others it is eating much more strictly and
    | simply. I happen to like some low carb products, and find that i can
    | enjoy them without the same consequences that occur when I eat a
    | similar treat that is sugar based. Yesterday, amongst my meals of
    | flaxseed bagels , whole grain crackers and tomato pie, asparagus,i
    | had snacks of a low carb candy bar, and a low carb cookie. I lost a
    | pound. Were I to substitute a sugar cookie and a real candy bar, I
    | would not have lost weight, for more reasons than the calories
    | contained in the treat.
    |
    | If this group is to serve as some kind of low carb community, then
    | someone should be able to post such a question without getting grief
    | for eating such low carb foods. I am delighted that companies are
    | trying to accomodate me. If you don't like them, or they don't work
    | for you, don't eat them, but don't assume like every busybody since
    | the beginning of time that because they aren't right for you they
    | aren't right for anyone. Those that cannot eat artificially low carb
    | treats, or who have chosen not to, should ignore threads about them,
    | much as mennonites ignore people discussing car safety issues.
    |
    | Bob
    | 197+/160/160.5
    |

  15. Make your own ice cream at home with Splenda and eat only a small portion.

    "bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+ months
    now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
    breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than regular
    ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it. I was
    willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of discipline
    overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
    however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a
    recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
    suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after eating
    it and found it elevated.

    anyone else encountered problems with this product?
    Bob
    197+/160/160.5 .

  16. The Breyhers people keep changing the CarbSmart ice cream formation. This
    makes it very difficult to tell what effect it will have.

    Their first product had a very fatty mouth-feel and worked very well for
    me, though I had to be careful with portion size because of the extra
    calories.

    They changed the formulation so the ice cream tasted more watery and added
    more mysterious frankenfood ingredients. This formulation gave me gas that
    was so miserable, I could not finish the container. Two servings and two
    nights of misery were the end of it.

    They seem to have changed it again. I tried some of the Butter Pecan two
    weeks ago and did not have any problem with it. It raises my blood sugar
    about 10-15 mg/dl at one hour which is acceptable for my current targets.
    However, if I were trying to lose weight, I'd avoid it because it makes it
    very easy to add a lot more calories and I have personally found that sugar
    alcohols, even in very small doses, make me hungrier after eating them.
    (That's why I don't eat those mints with sorbitol. The resulting hunger is
    way out of proportion to the nutritional content of the mint).

    --
    Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
    hba1c 5.7 .
    Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

    Jenny's new site: What they Don't Tell You About Blood Sugar
    http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/

    Jenny's Low Carb Diet Facts & Figures
    http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

    Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
    Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

    "Dave Dumanis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Make your own ice cream at home with Splenda and eat only a small portion.

    "bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+


    months

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
    breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than


    regular

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it. I


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of


    discipline

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
    however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a
    recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
    suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after


    eating

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it and found it elevated.

    anyone else encountered problems with this product?
    Bob
    197+/160/160.5 .

  17. Jenny said:

    The Breyhers people keep changing the CarbSmart ice cream formation. This
    makes it very difficult to tell what effect it will have.

    Their first product had a very fatty mouth-feel and worked very well for
    me, though I had to be careful with portion size because of the extra
    calories.

    They changed the formulation so the ice cream tasted more watery and added
    more mysterious frankenfood ingredients. This formulation gave me gas that
    was so miserable, I could not finish the container. Two servings and two
    nights of misery were the end of it.

    I thought I just got a container that had melted some and re-frozen. I
    also have a new fridge now--so I chalked it up to that too. The last
    one I bought had that cheap icey feel, frozen grainy on the tongue. It
    was better if I let it melt for a few minutes. It didn't occur to me
    that they might be changing the product. No reaction otherwsie--so far
    only the MINI_CARb brownie mix with Inulin triggered gas for me. Which
    from my reading may dissipate as I get used to that particular
    bacteria striking a balance in the colon.

    Quoted message said:

    They seem to have changed it again. I tried some of the Butter Pecan two
    weeks ago and did not have any problem with it. It raises my blood sugar
    about 10-15 mg/dl at one hour which is acceptable for my current targets.
    However, if I were trying to lose weight, I'd avoid it because it makes it
    very easy to add a lot more calories and I have personally found that sugar
    alcohols, even in very small doses, make me hungrier after eating them.
    (That's why I don't eat those mints with sorbitol. The resulting hunger is
    way out of proportion to the nutritional content of the mint).

    DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
    350/276/Jul-269/200
    Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
    Maint.-70 carbs/day (CCLL=50-60)

  18. AMEN.

    "bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    i am not sure i should continue this thread, since obviously i have fallen
    into the same old long running debate that some months ago caused me to


    stop

    Quoted message said:

    monitoring this group

    i understand portions, i understand exercise. I could not have reached my
    goal of 40 pound weight loss, and held it for the last 7 months without
    understanding both. I weigh every day and modify my diet accordingly. If i
    go 3 pounds up, i go on a mini induction and significant portion


    reduction.

    Quoted message said:

    This has happened only 3 times. (3 pounds low, which has happened twice
    calls for a big breakfast and lunch). Most of the time I am either not
    worrying (1-2 pounds down) or worrying (1-2 pounds up) During the later, I
    cut back somewhat, eating a very small lunch. I exercise 1.5 hours a day


    5-6

    Quoted message said:

    times a week, so there is not much to increase there. over time i have


    been

    Quoted message said:

    trying to understand what foods did and did not cause fluctuation in


    weight.

    Quoted message said:

    It is very clear to me that some foods of supposedly equal caloric value
    have different impact on my weight. What is not clear is the causality. I


    at

    Quoted message said:

    first thought that the breyers was simply the final indulgance, and


    blaming

    Quoted message said:

    it was like thinking the cherry on the ice cream sundae was the problem,
    however, others in the low carb store also noted problems with this food,
    and that piqued my interest.

    As such I was simply trying to alert/question whether this product might
    not be what it pretends to be.
    Unlike some people here, i do not believe we have to all eat the exact


    same

    Quoted message said:

    food and exercise exactly the same way to lose weight. In particular, for
    some of us it is decreasing cravings, which helps us maintain our


    portions,

    Quoted message said:

    for others it is eating much more strictly and simply. I happen to like


    some

    Quoted message said:

    low carb products, and find that i can enjoy them without the same
    consequences that occur when I eat a similar treat that is sugar based.
    Yesterday, amongst my meals of flaxseed bagels , whole grain crackers and
    tomato pie, asparagus,i had snacks of a low carb candy bar, and a low carb
    cookie. I lost a pound. Were I to substitute a sugar cookie and a real


    candy

    Quoted message said:

    bar, I would not have lost weight, for more reasons than the calories
    contained in the treat.

    If this group is to serve as some kind of low carb community, then someone
    should be able to post such a question without getting grief for eating


    such

    Quoted message said:

    low carb foods. I am delighted that companies are trying to accomodate me.
    If you don't like them, or they don't work for you, don't eat them, but
    don't assume like every busybody since the beginning of time that because
    they aren't right for you they aren't right for anyone. Those that cannot
    eat artificially low carb treats, or who have chosen not to, should ignore
    threads about them, much as mennonites ignore people discussing car safety
    issues.

    Bob
    197+/160/160.5

    "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    20% of my food by calories comes from low carb ice creams. About half


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that is Breyers. I have no problems with it.

    Perhaps you have a quantity/portioning problem.

    Cubit
    311/225/165

    "bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+


    months

    Quoted message said:

    now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
    breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than


    regular

    Quoted message said:

    ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it.


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was

    Quoted message said:

    willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of
    discipline
    overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
    however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after


    eating

    Quoted message said:

    it and found it elevated.

    anyone else encountered problems with this product?
    Bob
    197+/160/160.5 .

  19. The Low-Carb Bartender said:

    AMEN.

    "bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    i am not sure i should continue this thread, since obviously i have
    fallen
    into the same old long running debate that some months ago caused me to


    stop

    Quoted message said:

    monitoring this group

    i understand portions, i understand exercise. I could not have reached
    my
    goal of 40 pound weight loss, and held it for the last 7 months without
    understanding both. I weigh every day and modify my diet accordingly.
    If i
    go 3 pounds up, i go on a mini induction and significant portion


    reduction.

    Quoted message said:

    This has happened only 3 times. (3 pounds low, which has happened twice
    calls for a big breakfast and lunch). Most of the time I am either not
    worrying (1-2 pounds down) or worrying (1-2 pounds up) During the
    later, I
    cut back somewhat, eating a very small lunch. I exercise 1.5 hours a day


    5-6

    Quoted message said:

    times a week, so there is not much to increase there. over time i have


    been

    Quoted message said:

    trying to understand what foods did and did not cause fluctuation in


    weight.

    Quoted message said:

    It is very clear to me that some foods of supposedly equal caloric value
    have different impact on my weight. What is not clear is the causality.
    I


    at

    Quoted message said:

    first thought that the breyers was simply the final indulgance, and


    blaming

    Quoted message said:

    it was like thinking the cherry on the ice cream sundae was the problem,
    however, others in the low carb store also noted problems with this
    food,
    and that piqued my interest.

    As such I was simply trying to alert/question whether this product
    might
    not be what it pretends to be.
    Unlike some people here, i do not believe we have to all eat the exact


    same

    Quoted message said:

    food and exercise exactly the same way to lose weight. In particular,
    for
    some of us it is decreasing cravings, which helps us maintain our


    portions,

    Quoted message said:

    for others it is eating much more strictly and simply. I happen to like


    some

    Quoted message said:

    low carb products, and find that i can enjoy them without the same
    consequences that occur when I eat a similar treat that is sugar based.
    Yesterday, amongst my meals of flaxseed bagels , whole grain crackers
    and
    tomato pie, asparagus,i had snacks of a low carb candy bar, and a low
    carb
    cookie. I lost a pound. Were I to substitute a sugar cookie and a real


    candy

    Quoted message said:

    bar, I would not have lost weight, for more reasons than the calories
    contained in the treat.

    If this group is to serve as some kind of low carb community, then
    someone
    should be able to post such a question without getting grief for eating


    such

    Quoted message said:

    low carb foods. I am delighted that companies are trying to accomodate
    me.
    If you don't like them, or they don't work for you, don't eat them, but
    don't assume like every busybody since the beginning of time that
    because
    they aren't right for you they aren't right for anyone. Those that
    cannot
    eat artificially low carb treats, or who have chosen not to, should
    ignore
    threads about them, much as mennonites ignore people discussing car
    safety
    issues.

    Bob
    197+/160/160.5

    I don't see what's wrong with low carb products, but we have to foster an
    atmosphere here that's open about these products. I had never heard of
    "maltitol," and I made the mistake of eating two small chocolate bars and
    ended up with terrible consequences, the likes of which have made me
    forego maltitol. If someone posts about a great new low carb product that
    contains maltitol, I'm going to relate my problem with maltitol. I do eat
    some of the low carb products, but most of them I find actually to have
    too many calories in them or are snacks (the last thing I need to eat is a
    snack) or are filled with suspect chemicals (including partially
    hydrogenated oils). I think one problem is that people come here and on
    induction and eating a ton of low carb products. I feel it's best to eat
    limit the amount of trigger foods, including sweets, during induction.

    --
    Bob in CT
    Remove ".x" to reply

  20. My reply was a very polite way to suggest that your hypothesis was
    unfounded. I was concerned that you might be misleading others.

    Have you tried http://www.fitday.com ? Some of your assertions about
    relative calorie values make me think you are not measuring with enough
    accuracy.

    "bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    i am not sure i should continue this thread, since obviously i have fallen
    into the same old long running debate that some months ago caused me to


    stop

    Quoted message said:

    monitoring this group

    i understand portions, i understand exercise. I could not have reached my
    goal of 40 pound weight loss, and held it for the last 7 months without
    understanding both. I weigh every day and modify my diet accordingly. If i
    go 3 pounds up, i go on a mini induction and significant portion


    reduction.

    Quoted message said:

    This has happened only 3 times. (3 pounds low, which has happened twice
    calls for a big breakfast and lunch). Most of the time I am either not
    worrying (1-2 pounds down) or worrying (1-2 pounds up) During the later, I
    cut back somewhat, eating a very small lunch. I exercise 1.5 hours a day


    5-6

    Quoted message said:

    times a week, so there is not much to increase there. over time i have


    been

    Quoted message said:

    trying to understand what foods did and did not cause fluctuation in


    weight.

    Quoted message said:

    It is very clear to me that some foods of supposedly equal caloric value
    have different impact on my weight. What is not clear is the causality. I


    at

    Quoted message said:

    first thought that the breyers was simply the final indulgance, and


    blaming

    Quoted message said:

    it was like thinking the cherry on the ice cream sundae was the problem,
    however, others in the low carb store also noted problems with this food,
    and that piqued my interest.

    As such I was simply trying to alert/question whether this product might
    not be what it pretends to be.
    Unlike some people here, i do not believe we have to all eat the exact


    same

    Quoted message said:

    food and exercise exactly the same way to lose weight. In particular, for
    some of us it is decreasing cravings, which helps us maintain our


    portions,

    Quoted message said:

    for others it is eating much more strictly and simply. I happen to like


    some

    Quoted message said:

    low carb products, and find that i can enjoy them without the same
    consequences that occur when I eat a similar treat that is sugar based.
    Yesterday, amongst my meals of flaxseed bagels , whole grain crackers and
    tomato pie, asparagus,i had snacks of a low carb candy bar, and a low carb
    cookie. I lost a pound. Were I to substitute a sugar cookie and a real


    candy

    Quoted message said:

    bar, I would not have lost weight, for more reasons than the calories
    contained in the treat.

    If this group is to serve as some kind of low carb community, then someone
    should be able to post such a question without getting grief for eating


    such

    Quoted message said:

    low carb foods. I am delighted that companies are trying to accomodate me.
    If you don't like them, or they don't work for you, don't eat them, but
    don't assume like every busybody since the beginning of time that because
    they aren't right for you they aren't right for anyone. Those that cannot
    eat artificially low carb treats, or who have chosen not to, should ignore
    threads about them, much as mennonites ignore people discussing car safety
    issues.

    Bob
    197+/160/160.5

    "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    20% of my food by calories comes from low carb ice creams. About half


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that is Breyers. I have no problems with it.

    Perhaps you have a quantity/portioning problem.

    Cubit
    311/225/165

    "bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+


    months

    Quoted message said:

    now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
    breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than


    regular

    Quoted message said:

    ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it.


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was

    Quoted message said:

    willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of
    discipline
    overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
    however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after


    eating

    Quoted message said:

    it and found it elevated.

    anyone else encountered problems with this product?
    Bob
    197+/160/160.5 .

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