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  1. In addition to Barkely's discection of Breggin's books, and Schaler showing
    of how he lies on the witness stand...

    "{Breggin's apparent concern for the welfare of our children is touching,
    but it's very disconcerting.

    In his book The Psychology of Freedom, Breggin wrote, ". permitting children
    to have sex among themselves would go a long way toward liberating them from
    oppressive parental authority. This is the main reason that parents fight so
    hard to prevent sex between children. Sexual freedom would allow their
    children to become truly independent of them."

    Pardon me, but I must question the judgment of a psychiatrist who believes
    children know what's best when it comes to sex, but challenges whether
    parents, teachers and doctors know what's best when it comes to children's
    mental health and prescription medication.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,32794,00.html

    ---------------------------

    It's conceivable that Breggin was just too stupid to note the connection
    linking The Prozac Survivors Support Group, the CCHR, and the Church of
    Scientology. Conceivable, but not very likely. It's also conceivable that
    Breggin didn't know where all that money came from to pay for his "expert
    witness" testimony in the "Prozac-made-me-do-it" lawsuits (he earned $45,000
    in fees in just one lawsuit). Again, conceivable, but not very likely. Diane
    Richardson [email hidden]

    http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/breggen.htm

    ---------------------------------

    Breggin is not certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology,
    which is the recognized agency for certifying psychiatrists.
    Having completed three years of psychiatric training, Breggin is entitled to
    call himself a psychiatrist or a "specialist in psychiatry." Until 1996, the
    Maryland Board of Quality Assurance maintained a list of "identified"
    specialists. Anyone who completed an approved training program was eligible
    for listing. No special examination or additional qualifications were
    required.
    To become licensed in the United States, every physician must pass an
    examination given by the National Board of Medical Examiners or an
    equivalent examination by a state licensing board. Thus being a "diplomate"
    of the National Board of Medical Examiners means nothing more than the fact
    that the doctor has passed a standard licensing exam. Most resumés I have
    seen do not list this credential.
    The American Board of Forensic Examiners is not recognized by the American
    Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS), which is the recognized
    standard-setting organization. ABMS offers subspecialty certification in
    forensic psychiatry and forensic pathology, neither of which Breggin has
    achieved.
    Only one of the six journals with which Breggin has been affiliated is
    significant enough to be listed in MEDLINE, the National Library of
    Medicine's principal online database.
    On September 5, 2002, I found that Breggin had 33 citations listed in
    MEDLINE. None of these publications appears to be a research report. Eight
    were letters to the editor, two were books, and most of the rest were
    expressions of his opinion on various psychiatric topics.

    http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/breggin.html

    ----------------------------

  2. Quoted message said:

    In his book The Psychology of Freedom, Breggin wrote, ". permitting


    children

    Quoted message said:

    to have sex among themselves would go a long way toward liberating them


    from

    Quoted message said:

    oppressive parental authority.

    Goofy opinion, but Alfred Kinsey and others have expressed such opinions.

    Quoted message said:

    It's conceivable that Breggin was just too stupid to note the connection
    linking The Prozac Survivors Support Group, the CCHR, and the Church of
    Scientology. Conceivable, but not very likely.

    What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own
    reasons for disliking the Scientologists.

    Quoted message said:

    Breggin is not certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and


    Neurology,

    Quoted message said:

    which is the recognized agency for certifying psychiatrists.
    Having completed three years of psychiatric training, Breggin is entitled


    to

    Quoted message said:

    call himself a psychiatrist or a "specialist in psychiatry." Until 1996,


    the

    Ok. Even if he were certified, it would necessarily make him right
    about anything.


  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Breggin revealed
    From: "Roger Schlafly" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/26/2003 2:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In his book The Psychology of Freedom, Breggin wrote, ". permitting


    children

    Quoted message said:

    to have sex among themselves would go a long way toward liberating them


    from

    Quoted message said:

    oppressive parental authority.

    Goofy opinion, but Alfred Kinsey and others have expressed such opinions.

    Quoted message said:

    It's conceivable that Breggin was just too stupid to note the connection
    linking The Prozac Survivors Support Group, the CCHR, and the Church of
    Scientology. Conceivable, but not very likely.

    What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own
    reasons for disliking the Scientologists.

    Quoted message said:

    Breggin is not certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and


    Neurology,

    Quoted message said:

    which is the recognized agency for certifying psychiatrists.
    Having completed three years of psychiatric training, Breggin is entitled


    to

    Quoted message said:

    call himself a psychiatrist or a "specialist in psychiatry." Until 1996,


    the

    Ok. Even if he were certified, it would necessarily make him right
    about anything.

    This must be from Mark Probert.

    Quoted message said:

    Breggin is not certified

    Isn't that the strangest thing.

    Mark said:

    However, wrt Barrett..he appears to have been board eligible. Board


    certification when he started practising was not the same as today, and many
    doctors did not go for it. My younger son's ped ortho, licensed in 1951, was
    not board certified for fifteen years. He is still doing surgery, BTW, and
    is better in his 'waning years' than some will ever be (comment by several
    orthopedists who I know, and agreed to by me).

    I guess it all depends who you are.

    What's more, on Barrett's website, he mentions this also.

    Of course he never was, double standards of organized medicine.

    Then, I find the one who is trashing Dr Breggin is Steven Milloy.

    Athiest, lobbyist.

    Member of organized medicine.

    Nuff said.

    Jan

  4. (Jan) said:

    Then, I find the one who is trashing Dr Breggin is Steven Milloy.

    Athiest, lobbyist.

    Member of organized medicine.

    I thought that Milloy was a lawyer. Has Evil Organised Medicine been
    secretly taking over other professions?

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  5. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Breggin revealed
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 9/26/2003 5:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    Then, I find the one who is trashing Dr Breggin is Steven Milloy.

    Athiest, lobbyist.

    Member of organized medicine.

    I thought that Milloy was a lawyer.

    Did you,,,,,,

    You wouldn't know him, you and he are not at all alike and have nothing in
    common.

    NOT!

    Quoted message said:

    Has Evil Organised Medicine been
    secretly taking over other professions?

    Quoted message said:

    Athiest, lobbyist.

    Quoted message said:


    Member of organized medicine.


    Jan

  6. In said:

    Then, I find the one who is trashing Dr Breggin is Steven Milloy.

    Athiest, lobbyist.

    Member of organized medicine.

    Actually, Milloy is an attorney.
    Breggin, on the other hand, /is/ a
    "member of organized medicine."

    However, perhaps Jan would like to certify that Dr. Breggin's
    opinions on child-rearing are to be trusted anyway.

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
    | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
    end

  7. "Roger Schlafly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In his book The Psychology of Freedom, Breggin wrote, ". permitting


    children

    Quoted message said:

    to have sex among themselves would go a long way toward liberating them


    from

    Quoted message said:

    oppressive parental authority.

    Goofy opinion, but Alfred Kinsey and others have expressed such opinions.

    Feeble logical diversion noted. I do not go to Kinsey for advice or opinion
    regarding psychological matters or child raising. People do go to Breggin
    for such information. They should judge his opinions on all of the facts,
    and in the light of his other opinions.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's conceivable that Breggin was just too stupid to note the connection
    linking The Prozac Survivors Support Group, the CCHR, and the Church of
    Scientology. Conceivable, but not very likely.

    What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own
    reasons for disliking the Scientologists.

    Hogwash. He is in lock step and financial step with them. Can you document
    his reason why he would dislike $cientologists?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Breggin is not certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and


    Neurology,

    Quoted message said:

    which is the recognized agency for certifying psychiatrists.
    Having completed three years of psychiatric training, Breggin is


    entitled

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    call himself a psychiatrist or a "specialist in psychiatry." Until 1996,


    the

    Ok. Even if he were certified, it would necessarily make him right
    about anything.

    The fact is, that he made misleading claims as to his certifications. Note
    what you selectively snipped:

    "To become licensed in the United States, every physician must pass an
    examination given by the National Board of Medical Examiners or an
    equivalent examination by a state licensing board. Thus being a "diplomate"
    of the National Board of Medical Examiners means nothing more than the fact
    that the doctor has passed a standard licensing exam. Most resumés I have
    seen do not list this credential."

    IOW, puffery. Note how the anti-Barrett people just love to barf up his lack
    of board certification in psychiatry and the fact that his license is not
    current (as he has retired). IOW, hypocrites.

    Again, people should judge the validity of his opinions in the light of
    everything. And, let us not forget Schaler's indictment of his honesty.

  8. Marko Proberto said:
    Quoted message said:


    What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own
    reasons for disliking the Scientologists.

    Hogwash. He is in lock step and financial step with them. Can you document
    his reason why he would dislike $cientologists?

    sure...

    My Real Opinion of Scientology

    http://www.breggin.com/Joemccarthylives.html

    I am not merely neutral about Scientology. I am critical of
    Scientology. I became familiar with the group in 1972 when--for a
    short time--I accepted its offer to work together on some reform
    projects. As I got to know more about the group, I found myself
    opposed to Scientology's values, agenda, and tactics. I stopped all
    cooperative efforts in 1974 and publicly declared my criticism of the
    group in a letter published in Reason as long ago as January 1975. For
    two decades I have refused to have anything to do with Scientology and
    have criticized it hundreds of time to the media, on the air, and in
    public speeches and workshops.

    I have a yet more personal reason for refusing to have anything to do
    with Scientology. In 1973 I met and fell in love with an idealistic
    twenty-year-old Ginger Ross; but Scientology officials pressured her
    to stop seeing me because I was not a member of their group. Ginger
    and I did not meet again for twelve years. By then she had broken all
    ties with Scientology and had become a staunch critic of it. We have
    now been married for ten years and are the co-authors of Talking Back
    to Prozac and The War Against Children.

    That Lilly would try to link my views with those of Scientology, when
    Ginger and I are known, long-standing critics of that group, indicates
    the giant corporation's desperation to prevent the American public
    from learning the truth about Prozac and the company's corporate
    practices in researching and promoting it. Eli Lilly's McCarthy-like
    tactic of trying to link me with Scientology--when I am in fact
    opposed to that organization--reflects the extreme lengths to which
    the company will go to protect its profits at the expense of patients

  9. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Breggin revealed
    From: "Roger Schlafly" [email hidden]
    Date: 9/26/2003 2:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In his book The Psychology of Freedom, Breggin wrote, ". permitting


    children

    Quoted message said:

    to have sex among themselves would go a long way toward liberating them


    from

    Quoted message said:

    oppressive parental authority.

    Goofy opinion, but Alfred Kinsey and others have expressed such opinions.

    Quoted message said:

    It's conceivable that Breggin was just too stupid to note the


    connection

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    linking The Prozac Survivors Support Group, the CCHR, and the Church of
    Scientology. Conceivable, but not very likely.

    What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own
    reasons for disliking the Scientologists.

    Quoted message said:

    Breggin is not certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and


    Neurology,

    Quoted message said:

    which is the recognized agency for certifying psychiatrists.
    Having completed three years of psychiatric training, Breggin is


    entitled

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    call himself a psychiatrist or a "specialist in psychiatry." Until


    1996,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Ok. Even if he were certified, it would necessarily make him right
    about anything.

    This must be from Mark Probert.

    Quoted message said:

    Breggin is not certified

    Isn't that the strangest thing.

    Mark said:

    However, wrt Barrett..he appears to have been board eligible. Board


    certification when he started practising was not the same as today, and


    many

    Quoted message said:

    doctors did not go for it. My younger son's ped ortho, licensed in 1951,


    was

    Quoted message said:

    not board certified for fifteen years. He is still doing surgery, BTW, and
    is better in his 'waning years' than some will ever be (comment by several
    orthopedists who I know, and agreed to by me).

    I guess it all depends who you are.

    No, Jan it doesn't. You see, Breggin claims:

    "To become licensed in the United States, every physician must pass an
    examination given by the National Board of Medical Examiners or an
    equivalent examination by a state licensing board. Thus being a "diplomate"
    of the National Board of Medical Examiners means nothing more than the fact
    that the doctor has passed a standard licensing exam. Most resumés I have
    seen do not list this credential."

    Just in case you do not understand it, he is claiming that his medical
    dcotor license somehow makes him a diplomate of something. EVERY medcial
    doctor in the US, if they want to be licensed to practice medicine, must
    pass the test. This does not confer any special consideration or expertise.
    However, phrased as Breggin does, it can lead one to an erroneous conclusion
    that he does have some special recognition.

    IOW, this is tantamount to lying.

    Quoted message said:

    What's more, on Barrett's website, he mentions this also.

    Of course he never was, double standards of organized medicine.

    Nope. Clearly the same standard. Barrett does not claim that his medical
    license confers any special credence to him. Breggin does.

    Quoted message said:

    Then, I find the one who is trashing Dr Breggin is Steven Milloy.

    Athiest, lobbyist.

    Member of organized medicine.

    Nuff said.

    Yes, what you just said shoudl be included on John Scudamore's page under
    'ad hominem'. I am mentioned there, twice. And, I made no bones about it.
    Both are excellent examples of this form of dabate.

  10. Splorf warning...

    "D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In said:

    Then, I find the one who is trashing Dr Breggin is Steven Milloy.

    Athiest, lobbyist.

    Member of organized medicine.

    Actually, Milloy is an attorney.
    Breggin, on the other hand, /is/ a
    "member of organized medicine."

    However, perhaps Jan would like to certify that Dr. Breggin's
    opinions on child-rearing are to be trusted anyway.

    I wonder what jan would have done if Breggin popped into her sandbox one
    day, while Forward Freddie was exploring Naive Nellie, and told her to butt
    out.

    Hilarious....

  11. "jake" <nospamhere@all> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Marko Proberto said:
    Quoted message said:


    What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own
    reasons for disliking the Scientologists.

    Hogwash. He is in lock step and financial step with them. Can you


    document

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    his reason why he would dislike $cientologists?

    sure...

    My Real Opinion of Scientology

    http://www.breggin.com/Joemccarthylives.html

    I am not merely neutral about Scientology. I am critical of
    Scientology. I became familiar with the group in 1972 when--for a
    short time--I accepted its offer to work together on some reform
    projects. As I got to know more about the group, I found myself
    opposed to Scientology's values, agenda, and tactics. I stopped all
    cooperative efforts in 1974 and publicly declared my criticism of the
    group in a letter published in Reason as long ago as January 1975. For
    two decades I have refused to have anything to do with Scientology and
    have criticized it hundreds of time to the media, on the air, and in
    public speeches and workshops.

    I have a yet more personal reason for refusing to have anything to do
    with Scientology. In 1973 I met and fell in love with an idealistic
    twenty-year-old Ginger Ross; but Scientology officials pressured her
    to stop seeing me because I was not a member of their group. Ginger
    and I did not meet again for twelve years. By then she had broken all
    ties with Scientology and had become a staunch critic of it. We have
    now been married for ten years and are the co-authors of Talking Back
    to Prozac and The War Against Children.

    That Lilly would try to link my views with those of Scientology, when
    Ginger and I are known, long-standing critics of that group, indicates
    the giant corporation's desperation to prevent the American public
    from learning the truth about Prozac and the company's corporate
    practices in researching and promoting it. Eli Lilly's McCarthy-like
    tactic of trying to link me with Scientology--when I am in fact
    opposed to that organization--reflects the extreme lengths to which
    the company will go to protect its profits at the expense of patients

    Funny, he takes money and ideas from them:

    http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/breggen.htm

    "All you need do to verify his dependence on information supplied to him by
    the Church of Scientology is pick up a copy of "Talking Back to Prozac."
    You'll see how dependent he was upon the Prozac Survivors Support Group,
    Inc., for the "horror stories" he relates in that book. The Prozac Survivors
    Support Group, Inc. website used to be at http://www.pssg.org. In trying to
    get there today, I receive a "404 Not found" error. It's conceivable that
    Breggin was just too stupid to note the connection linking The Prozac
    Survivors Support Group, the CCHR, and the Church of Scientology.
    Conceivable, but not very likely. It's also conceivable that Breggin didn't
    know where all that money came from to pay for his "expert witness"
    testimony in the "Prozac-made-me-do-it" lawsuits (he earned $45,000 in fees
    in just one lawsuit). Again, conceivable, but not very likely. "

    What is the word...hippo....nope..hypocrite! That is IT!

  12. Roger Schlafly said:

    What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own
    reasons for disliking the Scientologists.

    Yes, they were mean to his wife once.

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