Breathing and stitches again

Robert Grumbine said:

Just an addendum as I've been catching up on reading, and notice
that the two came up separately. For me they're related.

For breathing, definitely go for 'belly breathing'. More accurately,
breathe from the diaphragm and fill your lungs fully. Same method
and reasons as for playing wind instruments, public speaking/acting,
singing, swimming, etc. You'll also be doing this if you're asthmatic
and want to not stop breathing entirely.

The relevance to stitches is that it's better, I confirmed some
folklore of the newsgroup, to have an odd total cycle. So many
steps inhaling, so many exhaling, and add to an odd total. If I'm
running hard and breathing deeply, an even total is a near guarantee
for stitches in short order. Now if you're not having stitch problems,
don't worry. You're either already odd, or just don't have the stitch
problem.

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evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

GOOD advice

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Robert Grumbine) said:

The relevance to stitches is that it's better, I confirmed some
folklore of the newsgroup, to have an odd total cycle. So many
steps inhaling, so many exhaling, and add to an odd total. If I'm
running hard and breathing deeply, an even total is a near guarantee
for stitches in short order. Now if you're not having stitch problems,
don't worry. You're either already odd, or just don't have the stitch
problem.

What mechanism do you think odd breathing cycles has on stitches? Seems
like it would be totally unrelated to me - but what do I know, I'm just
a jogger.

--
"Drugs like nicotine and alcohol, which do nothing for you at all,
are legal. Drugs like Mary Jane and mushrooms, two drugs that make
you realize that you're being dry humped every day of your life
by the upper 2%, are illegal. Coincidence?" -- Miss Anne Thrope

Quoted message said:

What mechanism do you think odd breathing cycles has on stitches?
Seems like it would be totally unrelated to me

This is from rec.running FAQ, part 4:

"The cure seems almost too simple. Breathe out when your left foot
strikes the ground instead of when the right foot strikes so that the
organs on the right side of the abdomen are jouncing up when the
diaphragm is going up. The organs attached to the bottom of the
diaphragm on the left aren't as big, so exert less downward pulling
strain. If this is not enough to get rid of it, stop and raise you arms
above your head until the pain goes away and when you resume, be a left
foot breather. (Conversely, if your stitch occurs on the left side,
switch your breathing to exhale on the right foot.)"

--
Phil M.

I haven't ran sine a ultra try in Hell Mi in 2002..
evan if I know only 1 5href 20 minute marathon is all not the 4 hour
Gore gig..... anywhere.hovelled......

i am more sure on me leg.and feels good but breathing heavy big
time.......
a big POP.....and I out of it..I train so dame hard for trails and a
older woman kick it on a dirt road and of corseting near 50 year old the
too i can't let that happen. and the exit past the POP.was terrain
insane...........was doing past the no wimp here time in the 12 minute
macs times....for team relays and the 6 hours for the marathon......I
know.find a nut tree and live there till all the nuts are gone and move
on...
Crop magnums was close..........
butt to pre modern.....cheetahs are so bad...

getting my antlers cut off. doc making me wait till end of month for 1
and other same b.s......got health from government now..and hopefully
for a part time gig in the state parks in future. I won't get paid much
butt can keep food and health.....

I don't carry card......too valuable......

that food gig is so cool.....
I would make a good trail blazer I thing.thanks rec running.....Lowtuc

gee pineapple ad amino acid.god thing I in the country......

I need a double K nine pulled bad too. the I might hit the trails.
antlers and k nine..are not set for trail blazeing I think. I can live
great with every thing else....
weight [censored] and cheeta bound.....

in ancient time it is bucking time you no....hows your head?

lowtuc said:

a big POP.....and I out of it

What was your injury? Ruptured achilles?

Quoted message said:

..I train so dame hard for trails and a older woman kick it on a dirt
road and of corseting near 50 year old the too i can't let that
happen. and the exit past the POP.was terrain insane...........was
doing past the no wimp here time

Sounds like a case of red-lining too much. There are plenty of
50-year-old women that can "kick it." It's tough to watch them go past,
but let them go. Imagine Dot flying by on a 20% downhill. ;-)

Quoted message said:

find a nut tree and live there till all the nuts are gone and move
on...

Words to live by.

Quoted message said:

got health from government now..and hopefully for a part time gig in
the state parks in future.

I hope it works out for you.

Quoted message said:

I need a double K nine pulled bad too.

Toothache?

Quoted message said:

in ancient time it is bucking time you no....hows your head?

Good, thanks. How's your leg?

--
Phil M.

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Robert Grumbine) said:

The relevance to stitches is that it's better, I confirmed some
folklore of the newsgroup, to have an odd total cycle. So many
steps inhaling, so many exhaling, and add to an odd total. If I'm
running hard and breathing deeply, an even total is a near guarantee
for stitches in short order. Now if you're not having stitch problems,
don't worry. You're either already odd, or just don't have the stitch
problem.

What mechanism do you think odd breathing cycles has on stitches? Seems
like it would be totally unrelated to me - but what do I know, I'm just
a jogger.

A little more time spent exhaling than inhaling. The theory is that
this results in better removal of waste products and/or less abdominal
effort, which both contribute to reducing stitches.

Dave

In article <[email hidden]>,

Phil M. said:

This is from rec.running FAQ, part 4:

"The cure seems almost too simple. Breathe out when your left foot
strikes the ground instead of when the right foot strikes so that the
organs on the right side of the abdomen are jouncing up when the
diaphragm is going up. The organs attached to the bottom of the
diaphragm on the left aren't as big, so exert less downward pulling
strain. If this is not enough to get rid of it, stop and raise you arms
above your head until the pain goes away and when you resume, be a left
foot breather. (Conversely, if your stitch occurs on the left side,
switch your breathing to exhale on the right foot.)"

So this sounds like a 1/1 breathing cycle? Otherwise I don't see what
difference it would make since you'd be both inhaling and exhaling on
both right and left foot falls.

--
"Drugs like nicotine and alcohol, which do nothing for you at all,
are legal. Drugs like Mary Jane and mushrooms, two drugs that make
you realize that you're being dry humped every day of your life
by the upper 2%, are illegal. Coincidence?" -- Miss Anne Thrope

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Geesaman said:

A little more time spent exhaling than inhaling. The theory is that
this results in better removal of waste products and/or less abdominal
effort, which both contribute to reducing stitches.

So an odd cycle would be: 1/2; 2/3; 3/4 and the like?

The other day I was pushing it pretty hard up a hill and tried a 3/3,
3/3, 2/2, 2/2 cycle just for curiosity and to help take my mind off the
hill climb.

I'll keep the odd cycle in mind next time a stitch creeps up on me and
see how it goes.

--
"Drugs like nicotine and alcohol, which do nothing for you at all,
are legal. Drugs like Mary Jane and mushrooms, two drugs that make
you realize that you're being dry humped every day of your life
by the upper 2%, are illegal. Coincidence?" -- Miss Anne Thrope

In article <[email hidden]>,

DadatHome said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Geesaman said:

A little more time spent exhaling than inhaling. The theory is that
this results in better removal of waste products and/or less abdominal
effort, which both contribute to reducing stitches.

So an odd cycle would be: 1/2; 2/3; 3/4 and the like?

The other day I was pushing it pretty hard up a hill and tried a 3/3,
3/3, 2/2, 2/2 cycle just for curiosity and to help take my mind off the
hill climb.

I'll keep the odd cycle in mind next time a stitch creeps up on me and
see how it goes.

My discovery was partly from the FAQ, as posted earlier (thanks) and
discussions in the group.

Yes, you have the odd cycles right. Add in 4/5. Or at least that's
what I do when I'm running pretty easily, but not so easily that I
don't need to think about breathing.

While most people advise and use more time exhaling than inhaling,
I go the other way around.

--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences