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  1. Any good recipes? Right now I eat a bowl of cheerios + 1/2 cup of skim
    milk for breakfast every day. I would like something low fat and sugar
    that is going to give me a good protein and fibre boost. I don't work
    out until the evenings, I'm just looking for something else to help me
    lose weight and maintain good nutrition I suppose!

    Is soy milk sufficiently high enough in protein for me to avoid using
    whey protein? I haven't used the protein powders before, but if that's
    the best thing to put in a shake then I could try it.

    Thanks in advance...

    KR

  2. "KR" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Any good recipes? Right now I eat a bowl of cheerios + 1/2 cup of skim
    milk for breakfast every day. I would like something low fat

    OK, but you should not exclude essential fatty acids...flaxseed oil, fish
    oil, borage oil, etcetera...from your breakfast shake.

    Quoted message said:

    and sugar
    that is going to give me a good protein and fibre boost.

    It's best to supplement fiber seperately, by a few hours, from nutrient
    intakes, especially fat soluble nutrients, to avoid the binding of the
    nutrients by the fiber.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't work
    out until the evenings, I'm just looking for something else to help me
    lose weight and maintain good nutrition I suppose!

    Is soy milk sufficiently high enough in protein for me to avoid using
    whey protein? I haven't used the protein powders before, but if that's
    the best thing to put in a shake then I could try it.

    Whey should be consumed, not only as a protein source, but for other
    health-promoting reasons.

    My breakfast shake:
    20 ounces water
    scoop or two of chocolate whey protein
    tablespoon chocolate drink powder (shut up! I like chocolate)
    tablespoon greens powder
    tablespoon flaxseed oil
    teaspoon fish oil
    a few grams creatine
    handful frozen mixed berries

    David

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks in advance...

    KR

  3. David Cohen said:

    "KR" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Any good recipes? Right now I eat a bowl of cheerios + 1/2 cup of
    skim milk for breakfast every day. I would like something low fat

    OK, but you should not exclude essential fatty acids...flaxseed oil,
    fish oil, borage oil, etcetera...from your breakfast shake.

    Quoted message said:

    and sugar
    that is going to give me a good protein and fibre boost.

    It's best to supplement fiber seperately, by a few hours, from
    nutrient intakes, especially fat soluble nutrients, to avoid the
    binding of the nutrients by the fiber.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't work
    out until the evenings, I'm just looking for something else to help
    me lose weight and maintain good nutrition I suppose!

    Is soy milk sufficiently high enough in protein for me to avoid using
    whey protein? I haven't used the protein powders before, but if
    that's the best thing to put in a shake then I could try it.

    Whey should be consumed, not only as a protein source, but for other
    health-promoting reasons.

    My breakfast shake:
    20 ounces water
    scoop or two of chocolate whey protein
    tablespoon chocolate drink powder (shut up! I like chocolate)
    tablespoon greens powder
    tablespoon flaxseed oil
    teaspoon fish oil
    a few grams creatine
    handful frozen mixed berries

    David

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks in advance...

    KR

    You need all the chocolate to cover up the [censored] taste of the fish oil!

    Why don't you use skim milk rather than water?
    --
    -Larry

  4. Quoted message said:

    Any good recipes?>

    [censored] in a cup of ice, stir it up, enjoy!


  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a few grams creatine

    ? in order to improve performance?

  6. "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:


    My breakfast shake:
    20 ounces water
    scoop or two of chocolate whey protein
    tablespoon chocolate drink powder (shut up! I like chocolate)
    tablespoon greens powder
    tablespoon flaxseed oil
    teaspoon fish oil
    a few grams creatine
    handful frozen mixed berries

    David

    Please say what type of fish oil and brand/source you use. This is a
    confusing issue (among many) for me.
    Thanks
    bob

  7. "DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "KR" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Any good recipes? Right now I eat a bowl of cheerios + 1/2 cup of skim
    milk for breakfast every day. I would like something low fat

    OK, but you should not exclude essential fatty acids...flaxseed oil, fish
    oil, borage oil, etcetera...from your breakfast shake.

    Quoted message said:

    and sugar
    that is going to give me a good protein and fibre boost.

    It's best to supplement fiber seperately, by a few hours, from nutrient
    intakes, especially fat soluble nutrients, to avoid the binding of the
    nutrients by the fiber.

    Do you mean binding (as in chemical inactivation) or soaking by the
    fiber?

    I think I mean physical binding and excretion in the feces. But I could be
    wrong.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is soy milk sufficiently high enough in protein for me to avoid using
    whey protein? I haven't used the protein powders before, but if that's
    the best thing to put in a shake then I could try it.

    Whey should be consumed, not only as a protein source, but for other
    health-promoting reasons.

    There might be the issue of flavonoids inactivation (ones from green
    tea and other such VEGEBLES) by proteins present in milk. So it seems
    the best to take them separately.

    Although there was a study claiming there is no problem (PMID:
    11264903; http://tinyurl.com/br8pd), some papers citing this study
    found otherwise.

    E.g. the article PMID: 11853501; http://tinyurl.com/c7yxw says in the
    context of milk proteins:

    "In conclusion, the interaction of flavonoids with proteins affects
    the antioxidant efficacy of the flavonoids. Although the effect on the
    bioavailability is not equivocal, the interaction will reduce the
    antioxidant capacity of the flavonoids both in products and in vivo."

    That's interesting. Makes supplementation more difficult. Thanks a lot 🙁

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My breakfast shake:
    20 ounces water
    scoop or two of chocolate whey protein
    tablespoon chocolate drink powder (shut up! I like chocolate)
    tablespoon greens powder
    tablespoon flaxseed oil
    teaspoon fish oil
    a few grams creatine
    handful frozen mixed berries

    My breakfast:

    Black tea withoout sugar, 200mg R-ALA + 500mg ALCAR.

    Hmmm...stick-to-the-ribs goodness.

    Especially when properly consumed with a steak and eggs omelette.

    David

  8. "fj" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a few grams creatine

    ? in order to improve performance?

    No. General health promotion.

    http://www.brinkzone.com/creatine-supplement.html

    David

  9. "Your name" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote>

    Quoted message said:

    My breakfast shake:
    20 ounces water
    scoop or two of chocolate whey protein
    tablespoon chocolate drink powder (shut up! I like chocolate)
    tablespoon greens powder
    tablespoon flaxseed oil
    teaspoon fish oil
    a few grams creatine
    handful frozen mixed berries

    Quoted message said:

    Please say what type of fish oil and brand/source you use. This is a
    confusing issue (among many) for me.

    Now Brand fish oil, liquid, not capsules. I get mine at www.netrition.com .
    Pleasant lemony flavor.

    David

  10. KR said:

    Any good recipes? Right now I eat a bowl of cheerios + 1/2 cup of skim
    milk for breakfast every day. I would like something low fat and sugar
    that is going to give me a good protein and fibre boost. I don't work
    out until the evenings, I'm just looking for something else to help me
    lose weight and maintain good nutrition I suppose!

    Is soy milk sufficiently high enough in protein for me to avoid using
    whey protein? I haven't used the protein powders before, but if that's
    the best thing to put in a shake then I could try it.

    A bowl of oatmeal (real oatmeal) and a whey protein drink with some
    flaxseed oil in it is a great breakfeast for those who are time
    challenged and want something simple. I've been eating this
    breakfeast for a long time now, even during periods of time when I
    wasn't able to train. No other breakfeast compares for me. My blood
    sugar is nice and stable after the meal and I don't get cravings for
    lunch until it is actually time for it. In addition, the whole
    breakfeast takes five minutes to make. You can cool off the oatmeal
    really quick by throwing some frozen blueberries in it and get some
    antioxidants to boot.

    On another note, ditch the Cheerios, like right now, as in go into
    your kitchen and throw the box in the garbage. Sure, they are low in
    "sugar" but the carbs are so refined and the fiber so low, you might
    as well eat lucky charms or frosted flakes instead. At least they
    taste really good. Almost all of those breakfeast cereals are pure
    trash unless you are carbing up after being on a ketogenic diet.

  11. DZ said:

    My breakfast:

    Black tea withoout sugar, 200mg R-ALA + 500mg ALCAR.

    Hey, isn't that Kate Moss' breakfeast? ;-)

  12. Thanks, I used to eat real oatmeal every morning for breakfast, I will
    start eating oatmeal again.

    Have you tried it with flavoured soy milk in it instead of cooking with
    water?

    KR

  13. Jeff said:
    KR said:

    Any good recipes? Right now I eat a bowl of cheerios + 1/2 cup of skim
    milk for breakfast every day. I would like something low fat and sugar
    that is going to give me a good protein and fibre boost. I don't work
    out until the evenings, I'm just looking for something else to help me
    lose weight and maintain good nutrition I suppose!

    Is soy milk sufficiently high enough in protein for me to avoid using
    whey protein? I haven't used the protein powders before, but if that's
    the best thing to put in a shake then I could try it.

    A bowl of oatmeal (real oatmeal) and a whey protein drink with some
    flaxseed oil in it is a great breakfeast for those who are time
    challenged and want something simple. I've been eating this
    breakfeast for a long time now, even during periods of time when I
    wasn't able to train. No other breakfeast compares for me. My blood
    sugar is nice and stable after the meal and I don't get cravings for
    lunch until it is actually time for it. In addition, the whole
    breakfeast takes five minutes to make. You can cool off the oatmeal
    really quick by throwing some frozen blueberries in it and get some
    antioxidants to boot.

    On another note, ditch the Cheerios, like right now, as in go into
    your kitchen and throw the box in the garbage. Sure, they are low in
    "sugar" but the carbs are so refined and the fiber so low, you might
    as well eat lucky charms or frosted flakes instead. At least they
    taste really good. Almost all of those breakfeast cereals are pure
    trash unless you are carbing up after being on a ketogenic diet.

    If you want to have the quick cold cereal, I like the mini's of
    shredded wheat, and shredded wheat and bran. In a hurry, I'll just
    fill a ziplock and eat them on the way to work or at my desk. Add the
    protein shake, and maybe an apple, and you're all done. Way more
    dietary fiber than those cheerios.

    By the way, can someone tell me the diff between soluble and insoluble
    fiber? They're both listed under dietary fiber. Are they both good
    for you in the same way?

    - bc

  14. Jeff said:
    KR said:

    Any good recipes? Right now I eat a bowl of cheerios + 1/2 cup of skim
    milk for breakfast every day. I would like something low fat and sugar
    that is going to give me a good protein and fibre boost. I don't work
    out until the evenings, I'm just looking for something else to help me
    lose weight and maintain good nutrition I suppose!

    Is soy milk sufficiently high enough in protein for me to avoid using
    whey protein? I haven't used the protein powders before, but if that's
    the best thing to put in a shake then I could try it.

    A bowl of oatmeal (real oatmeal) and a whey protein drink with some
    flaxseed oil in it is a great breakfeast for those who are time
    challenged and want something simple. I've been eating this
    breakfeast for a long time now, even during periods of time when I
    wasn't able to train. No other breakfeast compares for me. My blood
    sugar is nice and stable after the meal and I don't get cravings for
    lunch until it is actually time for it. In addition, the whole
    breakfeast takes five minutes to make. You can cool off the oatmeal
    really quick by throwing some frozen blueberries in it and get some
    antioxidants to boot.

    On another note, ditch the Cheerios, like right now, as in go into
    your kitchen and throw the box in the garbage. Sure, they are low in
    "sugar" but the carbs are so refined and the fiber so low, you might
    as well eat lucky charms or frosted flakes instead. At least they
    taste really good. Almost all of those breakfeast cereals are pure
    trash unless you are carbing up after being on a ketogenic diet.

    If you want to have the quick cold cereal, I like the mini's of
    shredded wheat, and shredded wheat and bran. In a hurry, I'll just
    fill a ziplock and eat them on the way to work or at my desk. Add the
    protein shake, and maybe an apple, and you're all done. Way more
    dietary fiber than those cheerios.

    By the way, can someone tell me the diff between soluble and insoluble
    fiber? They're both listed under dietary fiber. Are they both good
    for you in the same way?

    - bc

  15. KR said:

    Thanks, I used to eat real oatmeal every morning for breakfast, I will
    start eating oatmeal again.

    Have you tried it with flavoured soy milk in it instead of cooking with
    water?

    Being a male, I completely avoid soy like the plague. Just the few
    mentions of its estrogenic properties in different nutrition articles
    has scared me away from it. That being said, I'm only mixing water
    with my oatmeal. However, I'm guessing you very well might be a woman
    by the name Kay in your e-mail. I know anyone can post under any
    screen name, so if I'm wrong I apologize. If you are female I would
    recommend trying some soy milk to top your oatmeal, but do not
    actually cook your oatmeal with it. And remember, stick with the
    regular slow cooking oats. The slow oats only take three more minutes
    to cook, so I don't see why the other oats are called quick anyway.

  16. Jeff said:

    On another note, ditch the Cheerios, like right now, as in go into
    your kitchen and throw the box in the garbage. Sure, they are low in
    "sugar" but the carbs are so refined and the fiber so low, you might
    as well eat lucky charms or frosted flakes instead.

    Altho a fan of old fashioned oatmeal, I must say there is no comparison
    between plain Cheerios and LuckyCharms/Frosted Flakes other than they
    are all called breakfast cereals. The first ingredient on the label for
    Cheerios is 'whole grain oats'. For a cup of cereal at 110 calories you
    get 4 grams protein/22 grams carbs of which only 1 gram is sugar, and 3
    grams are fiber! (btw 1/2 cup of Quaker oatmeal has 4 grams fiber)Also
    altho there are 2grams fat, there are zero transfats(which are in alot
    of breakfast cereals) Stick with the basic Cheerios, not the flavored
    ones, and there is no reason not to eat these.
    http://www.cheerios.com/about/cheerios.asp

    joanne

  17. bc said:

    By the way, can someone tell me the diff between soluble and insoluble
    fiber? They're both listed under dietary fiber. Are they both good
    for you in the same way?

    Soluble fiber is just that, soluble. It actually gets digested and
    enters the bloodstream. Insoluble fiber does not get digested and
    passes through the digestive system mostly intact, taking a lot of
    [censored] with it (pun intended). Each works in similar ways, mainly by
    binding to certain chemicals and taking them out of our system.
    Soluble fiber can bind to cholesterol in the blood stream, whereas
    insoluble fiber can bind to cholesterol in the digestive tract, as
    well as maintain health of the entire digestive tract. This is
    somewhat of an unsophisticated explanation of how the two different
    fibers reduces cholesterol, but good enough to illustrate the basic
    concept. Both fibers are very important, and both are found in high
    amounts in, what else, but oatmeal. There are other sources of
    insolube fiber as well, but they are more rare than the commons
    sources of insoluble fiber such as fruits, vegetables, and unprocessed
    grains.

  18. bc said:

    By the way, can someone tell me the diff between soluble and insoluble
    fiber? They're both listed under dietary fiber. Are they both good
    for you in the same way?

    http://www.jhbmc.jhu.edu/cardiology/rehab/fiber.html

    joanne

  19. Jeff said:
    bc said:

    By the way, can someone tell me the diff between soluble and insoluble
    fiber? They're both listed under dietary fiber. Are they both good
    for you in the same way?

    Soluble fiber is just that, soluble. It actually gets digested and
    enters the bloodstream. Insoluble fiber does not get digested and
    passes through the digestive system mostly intact, taking a lot of
    [censored] with it (pun intended). Each works in similar ways, mainly by
    binding to certain chemicals and taking them out of our system.
    Soluble fiber can bind to cholesterol in the blood stream, whereas
    insoluble fiber can bind to cholesterol in the digestive tract, as
    well as maintain health of the entire digestive tract. This is
    somewhat of an unsophisticated explanation of how the two different
    fibers reduces cholesterol, but good enough to illustrate the basic
    concept. Both fibers are very important, and both are found in high
    amounts in, what else, but oatmeal. There are other sources of
    insolube fiber as well, but they are more rare than the commons
    sources of insoluble fiber such as fruits, vegetables, and unprocessed
    grains.

    Hmmm, I'm not so sure this is right. From the link that joanne posted,
    quoted below, it would appear that soluable fiber is not digested, but
    instead is "stickiest" and may remove bile from the digestive tract,
    which impedes fat digestion, thus reducing cholesterol and sugar in the
    blood. Thanks for a good link joaane.

    - bc

    Quoted message said:

    From http://www.jhbmc.jhu.edu/cardiology/rehab/fiber.html

    "WHAT IS DIETARY FIBER?
    There is more to fiber than crunch. What Grandma calls roughage,
    scientists know as fiber. Fiber is an undigestable complex carbohydrate
    found in plants. Fiber is not a single food or substance. Fiber in
    itself has no calories because the body cannot absorb it. Therefore,
    high fiber foods low in fat are low in calories such as fruits and
    vegatables. Fiber can be divided into two categories according to their
    physical characteristics and effects on the body: Water insoluble and
    water soluble. Each form functions differently and provides different
    health benefits. Insoluble fibers, such as cellulose, hemicellulose and
    lingnin, do not dissolve in water. Soluble fibers, such as gum and
    pectin, do dissolve in water.

    HEALTH BENEFITS OF FIBERS
    If you have been doctoring your with bran in the hopes of getting
    fiber's benefits, what you are mostly getting are larger, softer
    stools. This kind of fiber "bulks up" waste and moves it through the
    colon more rapidly, preventing constipation and possibly colon cancer.
    The trickiest accomplishments of fiber may lie with the stickiest kinds
    called gums and pectins, as they may keep cholesterol under control by
    removing bile acids that digest fat. The same types of fiber may
    regulate blood sugar as well. This is accomplished by coating the gut's
    lining and delaying stomach emptying. As a result, they can slow sugar
    absorption after a meal and may reduce the amount of insulin needed.
    Fiber is a weight watchers dream since fibers called cellulose and
    hemicelluloses take up space in the stomach, making us feel full,
    therefore food intake is less."

  20. joanne said:
    Jeff said:

    On another note, ditch the Cheerios, like right now, as in go into
    your kitchen and throw the box in the garbage. Sure, they are low in
    "sugar" but the carbs are so refined and the fiber so low, you might
    as well eat lucky charms or frosted flakes instead.

    Altho a fan of old fashioned oatmeal, I must say there is no comparison
    between plain Cheerios and LuckyCharms/Frosted Flakes other than they
    are all called breakfast cereals. The first ingredient on the label for
    Cheerios is 'whole grain oats'. For a cup of cereal at 110 calories you
    get 4 grams protein/22 grams carbs of which only 1 gram is sugar, and 3
    grams are fiber! (btw 1/2 cup of Quaker oatmeal has 4 grams fiber)Also
    altho there are 2grams fat, there are zero transfats(which are in alot
    of breakfast cereals) Stick with the basic Cheerios, not the flavored
    ones, and there is no reason not to eat these.
    http://www.cheerios.com/about/cheerios.asp

    Shredded wheat is still better. 1 cup is 6 grams of fiber.
    Shredded wheat and bran: 7.9 grams of fiber.

    - bc

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