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  1. I went to Bentfest, and tried a couple of bikes, but I was surprised to
    get more opinion than fact on the functionality wheel size,primarily
    front wheel size. As I mentioned on more than on occasion I was
    interested in a dual 26" USS touring `bent, but trying one with no
    experience reminded me of how long it took me as a kid to ride a regular
    bike.
    I'm still looking for a touring bent, but I've changed my mind on USS
    and maybe a 26" front wheel. Is there a real benefit to wheel size? I
    mean, to see people ride different sizes, you can see a pedaling
    difference, but does it change the experience? When is a smaller front
    wheel better. Thanks

    db.

  2. db. said:

    I'm still looking for a touring bent, but I've changed my mind on USS
    and maybe a 26" front wheel. Is there a real benefit to wheel size? I
    mean, to see people ride different sizes, you can see a pedaling
    difference, but does it change the experience? When is a smaller front
    wheel better. Thanks

    myself I would stick with 20" or larger. really it is rough roads that
    cause more problems with smaller wheels. the road can slow you down
    some. usually not a huge amount though.
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  3. In article <[email hidden]>, db. <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I went to Bentfest, and tried a couple of bikes, but I was surprised to
    get more opinion than fact on the functionality wheel size,primarily
    front wheel size. As I mentioned on more than on occasion I was
    interested in a dual 26" USS touring `bent, but trying one with no
    experience reminded me of how long it took me as a kid to ride a regular
    bike.
    I'm still looking for a touring bent, but I've changed my mind on USS
    and maybe a 26" front wheel. Is there a real benefit to wheel size? I
    mean, to see people ride different sizes, you can see a pedaling
    difference, but does it change the experience? When is a smaller front
    wheel better. Thanks

    db.

    The front wheel is often smaller due to the bottom bracket placement so
    that your feet don't hit the front wheel when turning. At least thats
    how I understand it.

  4. Slugger said:


    The front wheel is often smaller due to the bottom bracket placement so
    that your feet don't hit the front wheel when turning. At least thats
    how I understand it.

    This is one of the reasons why the most user friendly and practical
    lowracer ever produced; the Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM] has an
    ISO 305-mm front wheel. Unfortunately, only 20 or so are in existence,
    and I understand that one person is being greedy by having two Sunsets!
    😉
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "ever get suspicious about chain saw oil attracting wood dust?
    generally mucking up after two cuts?
    try dumping hot oil into a container just right sized for inserting
    the running blade on the job. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....
    plus 750 rpm!..." - G. Daniels

  5. db. said:

    I'm still looking for a touring bent, but I've changed my mind on USS
    and maybe a 26" front wheel. Is there a real benefit to wheel size? I
    mean, to see people ride different sizes, you can see a pedaling
    difference, but does it change the experience? When is a smaller front
    wheel better.

    Or rather, when is a small front wheel worse... Dr. Moulton proved long
    ago that a small wheel fitted with a high pressure tyre and some
    reasonable suspension will largely overcome the rolling resistance
    advantages a bigger wheel has, and once you've done that a small wheel
    is stronger, lighter and easier to design with because it takes up less
    space.

    A lot of the reason people prefer bigger wheels is because that's what
    their impression of a "proper bike" involves. Riding my Brompton I get
    all sorts of questions about how the small wheels must make it slow and
    a problem up hills, as if you can't use gearing!

    A 26" back wheel is easier to get a high gear for high speed on, it's
    naturally about 25% higher geared than a 20" using the same gearing.
    This is a bit of a moot point on a tourer, of course... Another
    advantage from the gearing perspective of a 26" or 700c wheel is if
    you're using derailleurs then the rear mech is significantly further
    from harm's way getting banked on kerbs or other obstacles. Not a huge
    problem, but something to be aware of when riding down over kerbs or
    along rough tracks.

    Other good things about 26"/700c wheels are a bigger and better tyre
    choice (especially 26"😉 that is more easily available.

    But none of those things really give a 26" a significant advantage to my
    mind on reasonable roads, and if you've got good suspension not really
    on rough stuff either.

    OTOH a 20" front means it's easier to get a seat positioned so it's easy
    to put a foot down. There's less likely to be overlap between feet and
    front wheel. All else being equal I'd take a 20/20 over a 26/26. As it
    is I ride a 20/26 and I ride it because all else is /not/ equal. I just
    prefer the feel of the Streetmachine for relaxed touring to anything
    else I've yet tried. I've never felt its 20" front wheel was a limiting
    factor in any way, except that I have to carry 2 sizes of spare tube.

    Finally, don't get hung up on paper specifications. Ride all the models
    you can and get the one which puts the biggest grin on your face. My gf
    rides a Nazca Fiero 20/20 for touring which on /paper/ she'd dismissed
    as unsuitable, but a ride of it revealed it had the Magic X Factor and
    we did a 300 mile tour including roads and tracks last year with full
    camping gear and it was never a problem because it had 20" wheels.

    Unless you're riding across a desert or something daft like that which
    wants bigger tyres with knobbly tread I really don't see any huge
    justification for going to 26 /unless you try out a 26 bike and it tells
    you It's The One/. A lot of the current trend for "highracers" is, I
    suspect, just a trend and a fashion.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  6. Peter Clinch, Medical Physics IT Officer at the Univ. of Dundee,

    Ninewells Hospital said:

    ...
    Unless you're riding across a desert or something daft like that which
    wants bigger tyres with knobbly tread I really don't see any huge
    justification for going to 26 /unless you try out a 26 bike and it tells
    you It's The One/. A lot of the current trend for "highracers" is, I
    suspect, just a trend and a fashion.

    There is a scientifically proven inverse correlation between rider
    intelligence and preferred front wheel size. 😉
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "john dear owns a tuscany reserve next door to the bay shore folks"
    - G. Daniels

  7. Sunset Lowracer [TM said:

    Fanatic']Peter Clinch, Medical Physics IT Officer at the Univ. of Dundee,

    Ninewells Hospital said:

    ...
    Unless you're riding across a desert or something daft like that which
    wants bigger tyres with knobbly tread I really don't see any huge
    justification for going to 26 /unless you try out a 26 bike and it tells
    you It's The One/. A lot of the current trend for "highracers" is, I
    suspect, just a trend and a fashion.

    There is a scientifically proven inverse correlation between rider
    intelligence and preferred front wheel size. 😉
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "john dear owns a tuscany reserve next door to the bay shore folks"
    - G. Daniels


    Give it up Tom,have you ever know anyone in the recent past who made it big time as a comedian having once been an engineer?

  8. nget said:
    Sunset Lowracer TM said:

    Fanatic']Peter Clinch, Medical Physics IT Officer at the Univ. of
    Dundee,

    Ninewells Hospital said:

    ...
    Unless you're riding across a desert or something daft like that


    which

    Quoted message said:

    wants bigger tyres with knobbly tread I really don't see any huge
    justification for going to 26 /unless you try out a 26 bike and it


    tells

    Quoted message said:

    you It's The One/. A lot of the current trend for "highracers" is,


    I

    Quoted message said:

    suspect, just a trend and a fashion.

    There is a scientifically proven inverse correlation between rider
    intelligence and preferred front wheel size. 😉
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "john dear owns a tuscany reserve next door to the bay shore folks"
    - G. Daniels


    Give it up Tom,have you ever know anyone in the recent past who made it
    big time as a comedian having once been an engineer?

    All this is just a lead in to my favorite ON TOPIC subject - the best
    ca. 20 things [1] to come from Minnesota.

    [1] Many of which have migrated to Chicagoland.
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "ever get suspicious about chain saw oil attracting wood dust?
    generally mucking up after two cuts?
    try dumping hot oil into a container just right sized for inserting
    the running blade on the job. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....
    plus 750 rpm!..." - G. Daniels

  9. QUOTE='Sunset Lowracer TM Fanatic'nget said:
    Sunset Lowracer TM said:

    Fanatic']Peter Clinch, Medical Physics IT Officer at the Univ. of
    Dundee,

    Ninewells Hospital said:

    ...
    Unless you're riding across a desert or something daft like that


    which

    Quoted message said:

    wants bigger tyres with knobbly tread I really don't see any huge
    justification for going to 26 /unless you try out a 26 bike and it


    tells

    Quoted message said:

    you It's The One/. A lot of the current trend for "highracers" is,


    I

    Quoted message said:

    suspect, just a trend and a fashion.

    There is a scientifically proven inverse correlation between rider
    intelligence and preferred front wheel size. 😉
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "john dear owns a tuscany reserve next door to the bay shore folks"
    - G. Daniels


    Give it up Tom,have you ever know anyone in the recent past who made it
    big time as a comedian having once been an engineer?

    All this is just a lead in to my favorite ON TOPIC subject - the best
    ca. 20 things [1] to come from Minnesota.

    [1] Many of which have migrated to Chicagoland.
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "ever get suspicious about chain saw oil attracting wood dust?
    generally mucking up after two cuts?
    try dumping hot oil into a container just right sized for inserting
    the running blade on the job. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....
    plus 750 rpm!..." - G. Daniels[/QUOTE]
    Have you ever run a chainsaw?I'm thinking no.

  10. nget who? said:


    Have you ever run a chainsaw?I'm thinking no.

    I have enough experience with chain saws to know that operating a chain
    saw is much less fun than riding an Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]
    [1].

    The image of Mr. Daniels sticking a running chainsaw into a vat of hot
    oil is as humorous as his creative use of the English language.

    [1] Even a common ORANGE Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]. 😉
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
    - M.V.

  11. Sunset Lowracer [TM said:

    one note johnny

    I have enough experience with chain saws to know that operating a chain
    saw is much less fun than riding an Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]
    [1].

    The image of Mr. Daniels sticking a running chainsaw into a vat of hot
    oil is as humorous as his creative use of the English language.

    [1] Even a common ORANGE Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]. 😉
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
    - M.V.


    Tell a joke once and then move on otherwise you will look stupid.Your bike is just a bike,get over it.

  12. nget anonymously snipes:

    Quoted message said:
    Sunset Lowracer TM said:

    ...
    [1] Even a common ORANGE Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]. 😉

    Tell a joke once and then move on otherwise you will look stupid.[ ]Your
    bike is just a bike,[ ]get over it.

    "Space" bar broken?

    Obviously you don't get it. 😉 To quote a famous racing cyclist,
    "It's not about the bike".
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
    - M.V.

  13. Sunset Lowracer [TM said:

    Lunatic wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [1] Even a common ORANGE Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]. 😉

    Tell a joke once and then move on otherwise you will look stupid.[ ]Your
    bike is just a bike,[ ]get over it.

    "Space" bar broken?

    Obviously you don't get it. 😉 To quote a famous racing cyclist,
    "It's not about the bike".
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
    - M.V.


    No Tom ,its all about mountain lions right?

  14. nget who? anonymously snipes:

    Quoted message said:
    Sunset Lowracer TM said:

    Lunatic wrote

    Quoted message said:

    > [1] Even a common ORANGE Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM].


    😉

    Quoted message said:


    Tell a joke once and then move on otherwise you will look stupid.[


    ]Your

    Quoted message said:

    bike is just a bike,[ ]get over it.

    "Space" bar broken?

    Obviously you don't get it. 😉 To quote a famous racing cyclist,
    "It's not about the bike".
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
    - M.V.


    No Tom ,its all about mountain lions right?

    Indeed. Mountain lions [1] eat mountain bikers. Since there is no such
    thing as a "lowracer lion", it is very unlikely that I will get eaten
    while riding either of my Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracers [TM]. 🙂

    [1] Felis concolor for Ed Dolan.
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
    - M.V.

  15. Quoted message said:
    Sunset Lowracer TM said:

    Lunatic wrote

    Quoted message said:

    > [1] Even a common ORANGE Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM].


    😉

    Quoted message said:


    Tell a joke once and then move on otherwise you will look stupid.[


    ]Your

    Quoted message said:

    bike is just a bike,[ ]get over it.

    "Space" bar broken?

    Obviously you don't get it. 😉 To quote a famous racing cyclist,
    "It's not about the bike".
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
    - M.V.


    No Tom ,its all about mountain lions right?

    Indeed. Mountain lions [1] eat mountain bikers. Since there is no such
    thing as a "lowracer lion", it is very unlikely that I will get eaten
    while riding either of my Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracers [TM]. 🙂

    [1] Felis concolor for Ed Dolan.
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
    - M.V.[/QUOTE]
    I should really be leaving now Tom.I no longer wish to see you drooling like this.Let me leave you with a good word and that word is balance.Balance is not just for cycling but for your whole life.
    Your friend
    Mark.

  16. Sunset Lowracer TM Fanatic said:

    There is a scientifically proven inverse correlation between rider
    intelligence and preferred front wheel size. 😉

    Up to a point. I don't think eggheads really go for skateboard wheels
    on the front. An interesting point of speculation here may be whether
    Sir Clive Sinclair's penchant for /very/ small wheels on his cycle
    products shows him to be very clever, or not actually as clever as he
    likes to think... ;-)

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  17. nget (Mark ?) said:


    I should really be leaving now Tom.I no longer wish to see you drooling
    like this.Let me leave you with a good word and that word is
    balance.Balance is not just for cycling but for your whole life.

    If I lose my balance, I can still ride my blue Earth Cycles Dragonflyer
    [TM] [1] trike. 😉

    [1] <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/>.
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
    - M.V.

  18. Peter Clinch, Medical Physics IT Officer at Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells

    Hospital said:
    Sunset Lowracer TM Fanatic said:

    There is a scientifically proven inverse correlation between rider
    intelligence and preferred front wheel size. 😉

    Up to a point. I don't think eggheads really go for skateboard wheels
    on the front. An interesting point of speculation here may be whether
    Sir Clive Sinclair's penchant for /very/ small wheels on his cycle
    products shows him to be very clever, or not actually as clever as he
    likes to think... ;-)

    Here is the bike the devil rides:
    <http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/news/feb05/germany-cycling-tandem-61.jpg>,
    <http://www.recordholders.org/images/didi2.jpg>,
    <http://www.birdy-freunde.de/faltradkultur/img/didisenft.jpg>,
    <http://home.foni.net/~cadam/Linkbilder/largestbicycle.jpg>.

    Notice the wheel size. 😉
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "...john dear owns a tuscany reserve next door to the bay shore
    folks" - G. Daniels

  19. Sunset Lowracer TM Fanatic said:

    Here is the bike the devil rides:
    <http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/news/feb05/germany-cycling-tandem-61.jpg>,
    <http://www.recordholders.org/images/didi2.jpg>,
    <http://www.birdy-freunde.de/faltradkultur/img/didisenft.jpg>,
    <http://home.foni.net/~cadam/Linkbilder/largestbicycle.jpg>.

    Notice the wheel size. 😉

    But is the devil smart or is he stupid? I think it could be argued
    either way... ;-)

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  20. QUOTE='Sunset Lowracer TM Fanatic'nget (Mark ) said:


    I should really be leaving now Tom.I no longer wish to see you drooling
    like this.Let me leave you with a good word and that word is
    balance.Balance is not just for cycling but for your whole life.

    If I lose my balance, I can still ride my blue Earth Cycles Dragonflyer
    [TM] [1] trike. 😉

    [1] <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/>.
    --
    Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

    "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
    - M.V.[/QUOTE]
    See Tom ride his trike.Ride Tom ride.Can your friend Johnny ride a trike too?

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