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  1. Original post
    Bill C
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    #1

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
    quoted:
    Rogge defends cycling
    International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge has defended
    professional cycling in the wake of several big doping scandals that
    have rocked the sport this year. Quoted on Sporza, Rogge applauded
    cycling's aggressive approach towards tackling doping. "A sport is
    credible if there is full drug testing, both during and outside
    competition," he said. "Not only the athletes have to be punished, but
    also the people around them. And cycling does that."

    Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
    have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
    sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
    impression that the problem is bigger there."

    Bill C

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    #2

    "Bill C" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
    quoted:
    Rogge defends cycling
    International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge has defended
    professional cycling in the wake of several big doping scandals that
    have rocked the sport this year. Quoted on Sporza, Rogge applauded
    cycling's aggressive approach towards tackling doping. "A sport is
    credible if there is full drug testing, both during and outside
    competition," he said. "Not only the athletes have to be punished, but
    also the people around them. And cycling does that."

    Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
    have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
    sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
    impression that the problem is bigger there."

    Bill C

    I am with you and Rogge on it !
    Bravo

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  3. John Forrest Tomlinson
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    #3
    Montesquiou said:


    "Bill C" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
    quoted:
    Rogge defends cycling
    International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge has defended
    professional cycling in the wake of several big doping scandals that
    have rocked the sport this year. Quoted on Sporza, Rogge applauded
    cycling's aggressive approach towards tackling doping. "A sport is
    credible if there is full drug testing, both during and outside
    competition," he said. "Not only the athletes have to be punished, but
    also the people around them. And cycling does that."

    Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
    have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
    sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
    impression that the problem is bigger there."

    Bill C

    I am with you and Rogge on it !

    Yeah. THough the whole state of affairs in sport, and perhaps in
    life, with cheating is depressing.

    JT

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  4. Ryan Cousineau
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    #4

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    John Forrest Tomlinson said:
    Montesquiou said:


    "Bill C" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
    quoted:
    Rogge defends cycling

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
    have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
    sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
    impression that the problem is bigger there."

    Bill C

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I am with you and Rogge on it !

    Yeah. THough the whole state of affairs in sport, and perhaps in
    life, with cheating is depressing.

    Thank heavens for amateur racing.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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  5. John Forrest Tomlinson
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    #5

    On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:16:34 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    John Forrest Tomlinson said:
    Montesquiou said:


    "Bill C" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...
    > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
    > quoted:
    > Rogge defends cycling

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
    > have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
    > sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
    > impression that the problem is bigger there."
    >
    > Bill C

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I am with you and Rogge on it !

    Yeah. THough the whole state of affairs in sport, and perhaps in
    life, with cheating is depressing.

    Thank heavens for amateur racing.

    LOL.

    JT

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  6. Ryan Cousineau
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    #6

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:16:34 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:54:31 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:

    >
    >"Bill C" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    >[email hidden]...
    >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
    >> quoted:
    >> Rogge defends cycling

    Quoted message said:

    >> Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
    >> have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
    >> sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
    >> impression that the problem is bigger there."
    >>
    >> Bill C

    Quoted message said:

    >I am with you and Rogge on it !

    Yeah. THough the whole state of affairs in sport, and perhaps in
    life, with cheating is depressing.

    Thank heavens for amateur racing.

    LOL.

    JT, I'm not even joking. First off, I compete in Cat 4 (beer league
    racing!) so anyone successfully cheating me would end up in Cat 3 right
    quick. Second, the financial incentive is virtually nil, if not negative.

    Moreover, the categorized nature of amateur racing means that it
    resembles the "personal-best" culture of runners: the goal isn't really
    to be the best, only to do well relative to what you expect.

    At some level I want to race in a clean pack, but the cheaters are not
    spoiling my fun.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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  7. RonSonic
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    #7
    Ryan Cousineau said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:16:34 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:54:31 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >"Bill C" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    > >[email hidden]...
    > >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
    > >> quoted:
    > >> Rogge defends cycling

    > >> Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
    > >> have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
    > >> sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
    > >> impression that the problem is bigger there."
    > >>
    > >> Bill C

    > >I am with you and Rogge on it !
    >
    > Yeah. THough the whole state of affairs in sport, and perhaps in
    > life, with cheating is depressing.

    Thank heavens for amateur racing.

    LOL.

    JT, I'm not even joking. First off, I compete in Cat 4 (beer league
    racing!) so anyone successfully cheating me would end up in Cat 3 right
    quick. Second, the financial incentive is virtually nil, if not negative.

    Moreover, the categorized nature of amateur racing means that it
    resembles the "personal-best" culture of runners: the goal isn't really
    to be the best, only to do well relative to what you expect.

    At some level I want to race in a clean pack, but the cheaters are not
    spoiling my fun.

    As for the guy who NEEDS to move up to Cat 3 and NEEDS to dope to do it, I'd be
    more pitying than anything else.

    Ron

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  8. Howard Kveck
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    #8

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    RonSonic said:

    On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:17:39 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    JT, I'm not even joking. First off, I compete in Cat 4 (beer league
    racing!) so anyone successfully cheating me would end up in Cat 3 right
    quick. Second, the financial incentive is virtually nil, if not negative.

    Moreover, the categorized nature of amateur racing means that it
    resembles the "personal-best" culture of runners: the goal isn't really
    to be the best, only to do well relative to what you expect.

    At some level I want to race in a clean pack, but the cheaters are not
    spoiling my fun.

    As for the guy who NEEDS to move up to Cat 3 and NEEDS to dope to do it, I'd
    be more pitying than anything else.

    Yeah, that kind of person would be considered to be very pathetic, but in the
    meantime the people he's racing are getting sort of screwed out of getting to move
    up to Cat 3 (obviously doing that isn't really for the financial end of it - "Hey, I
    won a tall water bottle instead of a standard one!"😉 or whatever the goal may be.

    --
    tanx,
    Howard

    Never take a tenant with a monkey.

    remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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  9. John Forrest Tomlinson
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    #9

    On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:17:39 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:16:34 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:54:31 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >"Bill C" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    > >[email hidden]...
    > >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul30news
    > >> quoted:
    > >> Rogge defends cycling

    > >> Rogge realised that cycling is often singled out, while other sports
    > >> have their drug problems swept under the carpet. "Doping is in all
    > >> sports, but the cases in cycling are often in the media. So you get the
    > >> impression that the problem is bigger there."
    > >>
    > >> Bill C

    > >I am with you and Rogge on it !
    >
    > Yeah. THough the whole state of affairs in sport, and perhaps in
    > life, with cheating is depressing.

    Thank heavens for amateur racing.

    LOL.

    JT, I'm not even joking.

    Cool.

    JT

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  10. Curtis L. Russell
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    #10
    Howard Kveck said:
    Quoted message said:

    As for the guy who NEEDS to move up to Cat 3 and NEEDS to dope to do it, I'd
    be more pitying than anything else.

    Yeah, that kind of person would be considered to be very pathetic, but in the
    meantime the people he's racing are getting sort of screwed out of getting to move
    up to Cat 3 (obviously doing that isn't really for the financial end of it - "Hey, I
    won a tall water bottle instead of a standard one!"😉 or whatever the goal may be.

    OK, ethically speaking, who is the bigger POS - the guy that never
    upgrades until someone puts a gun to his or her head so they can win
    or place every week (OK, you all know who you are) or the person that
    uses drugs to upgrade? This is the kind of ethical question that rbr
    is well suited to answer. Ad infintum. Ad nauseum. Ad dle pated.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

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  11. Email address hidden
    Archived post
    #11
    Curtis L. Russell said:
    Howard Kveck said:
    Quoted message said:

    As for the guy who NEEDS to move up to Cat 3 and NEEDS to dope to do it, I'd
    be more pitying than anything else.

    Yeah, that kind of person would be considered to be very pathetic, but in the
    meantime the people he's racing are getting sort of screwed out of getting to move
    up to Cat 3 (obviously doing that isn't really for the financial end of it - "Hey, I
    won a tall water bottle instead of a standard one!"😉 or whatever the goal may be.

    OK, ethically speaking, who is the bigger POS - the guy that never
    upgrades until someone puts a gun to his or her head so they can win
    or place every week (OK, you all know who you are) or the person that
    uses drugs to upgrade? This is the kind of ethical question that rbr
    is well suited to answer. Ad infintum. Ad nauseum. Ad dle pated.

    In the cat3s and below, the guy who never upgrades is the bigger POS.
    The doper wins his races and then is gone. The other guy is there week
    after week.

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  12. Ryan Cousineau
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    #12

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:
    Curtis L. Russell said:
    Howard Kveck said:

    > As for the guy who NEEDS to move up to Cat 3 and NEEDS to dope to do it,
    > I'd
    > be more pitying than anything else.

    Yeah, that kind of person would be considered to be very pathetic, but
    in the
    meantime the people he's racing are getting sort of screwed out of getting
    to move
    up to Cat 3 (obviously doing that isn't really for the financial end of it
    - "Hey, I
    won a tall water bottle instead of a standard one!"😉 or whatever the goal
    may be.

    OK, ethically speaking, who is the bigger POS - the guy that never
    upgrades until someone puts a gun to his or her head so they can win
    or place every week (OK, you all know who you are) or the person that
    uses drugs to upgrade? This is the kind of ethical question that rbr
    is well suited to answer. Ad infintum. Ad nauseum. Ad dle pated.

    In the cat3s and below, the guy who never upgrades is the bigger POS.
    The doper wins his races and then is gone. The other guy is there week
    after week.

    That's an option? I was under the impression that once you had won
    enough points, you were gone. Locally, I hear far more grumbling that
    there aren't enough upgrade points from people who would like to upgrade
    than whining from sandbaggers.

    Not that I have ever had any of these problems,

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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  13. Email address hidden
    Archived post
    #13
    Ryan Cousineau said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:
    Curtis L. Russell said:

    OK, ethically speaking, who is the bigger POS - the guy that never
    upgrades until someone puts a gun to his or her head so they can win
    or place every week (OK, you all know who you are) or the person that
    uses drugs to upgrade? This is the kind of ethical question that rbr
    is well suited to answer. Ad infintum. Ad nauseum. Ad dle pated.

    In the cat3s and below, the guy who never upgrades is the bigger POS.
    The doper wins his races and then is gone. The other guy is there week
    after week.

    That's an option? I was under the impression that once you had won
    enough points, you were gone.

    It was definitely happening when I was racing, but that was a while
    back. I don't know if it is still happening.

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