Bravo Freddy

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A well desered win for a solid rider and a nice guy!
BRAVO!

4th place isn't a win... even if he gets the jersey for the
next year.

Boyd Speerschneider said:

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A well desered win for a solid rider and a nice guy!
BRAVO!

4th place isn't a win... even if he gets the jersey for
the next year.

Yeah, look how the europeans creamed the americans in their
own championship race. There was something about this in
VeloNews some while back, making the National Championship
race USA riders only.

How many other countries allow international riders in their
championship?

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A well desered win for a solid rider and a nice guy!
BRAVO!

4th place isn't a win... even if he gets the jersey for
the next year.

As first American, in 4th place, Freddy has indeed won the
right to wear the jersey of USPRO champion for the coming
year. While he didn't win overall this year, he has won
overal in the past, as was the last USPRO champion to do so.
Considering his win this year in the Giro against
Petacchi(sp?), he's clearly a very deserving US champion.

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A well desered win for a solid rider and a nice guy!
BRAVO!

4th place isn't a win... even if he gets the jersey for
the next year.

Consider also that Freddy won the week long overall.

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Boyd Speerschneider said:

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A well desered win for a solid rider and a nice guy!
BRAVO!

4th place isn't a win... even if he gets the jersey for
the next year.

Yeah, look how the europeans creamed the americans in
their own championship race. There was something about
this in VeloNews some while back, making the National
Championship race USA riders only.

The US riders made up nearly 50% of the top 30 finishers. It
is true than most of the DNFs were US riders. But,consider
also that some of the allegely best US riders were not in
Philadelphia. Perhaps it's time to move the championship to
the week the Euro championshpis are held and make it an all
american event. This has been discussed here at length
before. No easy answer.

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How many other countries allow international riders in
their championship?

B. Lafferty said:

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Boyd Speerschneider said:

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>A well desered win for a solid rider and a nice guy!
>BRAVO!

4th place isn't a win... even if he gets the jersey for
the next year.

Yeah, look how the europeans creamed the americans in
their own championship race. There was something about
this in VeloNews some while back, making the National
Championship race USA riders only.

The US riders made up nearly 50% of the top 30 finishers.
It is true than most of the DNFs were US riders.
But,consider also that some of the allegely best US riders
were not in Philadelphia. Perhaps it's time to move the
championship to the week the Euro championshpis are held
and make it an all american event. This has been discussed
here at length before. No easy answer.

Something I did see, here, I believe was this is the last
year for this sponsor of the race. Maybe a new sponsor and a
new time go together.

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Richard Adams
Boyd Speerschneider wrote:

How many other countries allow international riders in their
championship?

None in Europe.

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Yeah, look how the europeans creamed the americans in
their own championship race. There was something about
this in VeloNews some while back, making the National
Championship race USA riders only.

How many other countries allow international riders in
their championship?

Australia does, though usually only a few euros are in the
bunch, and they mainly are there to help their Aussie
teammates. Canada also, but the foreigners they attract are
those riding on the US circuit. And the three Baltic
countries have a funky race where all three jerseys are
given out in one race.

I think the problem with a national championship at the end
of June is that you would never get any US rider planning to
ride the Tour to come. And it would be a pity to limit
Philly to US riders, because this would downgrade the best
race on the domestic calendar.

Probably the ideal solution would be to have another race,
limited to US riders, run the same week as
Philly/Trenton/Lancaster. It also would be nice if they made
Philly a harder race so that we don't get a bunch sprint.
But face it: the Philly race is a much bigger deal than the
satisfaction of us real cycling fans, or even the cyclists
and teams. The huge crowd and awesome civic support is
special, and I bet the organizers are loathe to screw around
with the formula (and I wouldn't blame them).

JMS

"JMS" wrote...

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Probably the ideal solution would be to have another race,
limited to US riders, run the same week as
Philly/Trenton/Lancaster. It also would be nice if they
made Philly a harder race so that we don't get a bunch

sprint.

Quoted message said:

But face it: the Philly race is a much bigger deal than
the satisfaction

of

Quoted message said:

us real cycling fans, or even the cyclists and teams. The
huge crowd and awesome civic support is special, and I bet
the organizers are loathe to screw around with the formula
(and I wouldn't blame them).

It really boils down to a what -- thirteen mile (or
whatever) circuit race. The fact that it's the "US Pro
Cycling Championship" and in Philly probably speaks more to
the weakness of USA Pro Cycling than to the strength of the
course (eh?). A week of crits then a circuit race. The
United States -- let's face it -- can create a better
course, and a better week, in an equally strong economic
center than that. I shudder to say this, but they could
probably even do better in Boston. There's plenty of local
money in Philadelphia that will try to keep it there, I am
guessing, but a true national championship can do better
than a circuit race, IMHO.

JF

[censored], DC Shoes offered the City of Philadelphia a million
dollars last week to reopen Love Park to skateboarders
and The Honorable Mayor John Street sez no. As bicyclist
friendly as Philly can be (on a good day), they're just
in it for the money. The bike messenger championships
were fun tho.

Jim Flom said:

It really boils down to a what -- thirteen mile (or
whatever) circuit race. The fact that it's the "US Pro
Cycling Championship" and in Philly probably speaks more
to the weakness of USA Pro Cycling than to the strength of
the course (eh?). A week of crits then a circuit race. The
United States -- let's face it -- can create a better
course, and a better week, in an equally strong economic
center than that. I shudder to say this, but they could
probably even do better in Boston. There's plenty of local
money in Philadelphia that will try to keep it there, I am
guessing, but a true national championship can do better
than a circuit race, IMHO.

AFAIK, the big Euro countries' national championships, and
the road worlds, are circuit races. I don't know if this is
for logistical reasons, tradition, or both. Philly is
different from the Euros because it is the same circuit each
year. Given the difficulty of closing down cities for
courses in the US that seems understandable. It's not clear
to me that the US _can_ create a better week and a better
course than Philly, since cycling is a marginal sport here.
Nobody's doing it - the SFGP is the comparable race right
now and its finances are always a little questionable (and
it's the same organizers anyway).

IMO, the teams at Philly are stronger now and so there
are just enough riders left at the end to bring back last-
lap breaks over Lemon Hill. That doesn't mean it's easy.
Some dude who beat Alessandro Petacchi straight up only
managed fourth.

I rode the Austrian pro championships in 92. It happens in
some countries.

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Richard Adams said:

Boyd Speerschneider wrote: How many other countries
allow international riders in their championship?

None in Europe.

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There is one more year on the contract!

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B. Lafferty said:

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>"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>>A well desered win for a solid rider and a nice guy!
>>BRAVO!
>
>
>4th place isn't a win... even if he gets the jersey for
>the next year.

Yeah, look how the europeans creamed the americans in
their own championship race. There was something about
this in VeloNews some while back, making the National
Championship race USA riders only.

The US riders made up nearly 50% of the top 30
finishers. It is true

than

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

most of the DNFs were US riders. But,consider also that
some of the allegely best US riders were not in
Philadelphia. Perhaps it's time to

move

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the championship to the week the Euro championshpis are
held and make it

an

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

all american event. This has been discussed here at
length before. No

easy

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Quoted message said:

answer.

Something I did see, here, I believe was this is the last
year for this sponsor of the race. Maybe a new sponsor and
a new time go together.

Jim almost all the countries national championships are a
circuit races. The worlds is always a circuit race. Try and
organize a race in Boston. Shut one road done and the city
would be at gridlock for days.

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Quoted message said:

"JMS" wrote...

Quoted message said:

Probably the ideal solution would be to have another
race, limited to US riders, run the same week as
Philly/Trenton/Lancaster. It also would be nice if they
made Philly a harder race so that we don't get a bunch

sprint.

Quoted message said:

But face it: the Philly race is a much bigger deal than
the satisfaction

of

Quoted message said:

us real cycling fans, or even the cyclists and teams.
The huge crowd

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

awesome civic support is special, and I bet the
organizers are loathe to screw around with the formula
(and I wouldn't blame them).

It really boils down to a what -- thirteen mile (or
whatever) circuit

race.

Quoted message said:

The fact that it's the "US Pro Cycling Championship" and
in Philly

probably

Quoted message said:

speaks more to the weakness of USA Pro Cycling than to the
strength of the course (eh?). A week of crits then a
circuit race. The United States -- let's face it -- can
create a better course, and a better week, in an equally
strong economic center than that. I shudder to say this,
but they could probably even do better in Boston. There's
plenty of local money in Philadelphia that will try to
keep it there, I am guessing, but a true national
championship can do better than a circuit race, IMHO.

JF

Big difference between skateboarders tearing up a park and a
cycling event that brings positive revenue to buisness and a
overall good light on the city.

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[censored], DC Shoes offered the City of Philadelphia a million
dollars last

week

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to reopen Love Park to skateboarders and The Honorable
Mayor John Street

sez

Quoted message said:

no. As bicyclist friendly as Philly can be (on a good
day), they're just

in

Quoted message said:

it for the money. The bike messenger championships were
fun tho.

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AFAIK, the big Euro countries' national championships, and
the road worlds, are circuit races. I don't know if this
is for logistical reasons, tradition, or both. Philly is
different from the Euros because it is the same circuit
each year. Given the difficulty of closing down cities for
courses in the US that seems understandable. It's not
clear to me that the US _can_ create a better week and a
better course than Philly, since cycling is a marginal
sport here. Nobody's doing it - the SFGP is the comparable
race right now and its finances are always a little
questionable (and it's the same organizers anyway).

I haven't kept up on it, but the Philly races were organized
by Dave Chauner's group. Did Tailwind Sports buy them out?

In Santa Cruz, CA, a skateboard park was built down near
the main tourist hub of the municipal wharf and boardwalk.
It's certainly cleared out many of the skateboarders from
downtown where sidewalks around shops and restaurants are
mostly clear of them. My only complaint about skateboarders
is the racket from practicing some Tony Hawk move day in
and day out.

armstrong said:

Big difference between skateboarders tearing up a park and
a cycling event that brings positive revenue to buisness
and a overall good light on the city.

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[censored], DC Shoes offered the City of Philadelphia a million
dollars last

week

Quoted message said:

to reopen Love Park to skateboarders and The Honorable
Mayor John Street

sez

Quoted message said:

no. As bicyclist friendly as Philly can be (on a good
day), they're just

in

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it for the money. The bike messenger championships were
fun tho.

No Threshold is still Threshold, Tailwind is a partner in
the San Fran race. Whats up Carl

Tom

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Quoted message said:

AFAIK, the big Euro countries' national championships,
and the road worlds, are circuit races. I don't know if
this is for logistical reasons, tradition, or both.
Philly is different from the Euros because it is the
same circuit each year. Given the difficulty of closing
down cities for courses in the US that seems
understandable. It's not clear to me that the US _can_
create a better week and a better course than Philly,
since cycling is a marginal sport here. Nobody's doing
it - the SFGP is the comparable race right now and its
finances are always a little questionable (and it's the
same organizers anyway).

I haven't kept up on it, but the Philly races were
organized by Dave Chauner's group. Did Tailwind Sports buy
them out?

"armstrong" wrote ...

Quoted message said:

Big difference between skateboarders tearing up a park and
a cycling event that brings positive revenue to buisness
and a overall good light on the city.

Oh, don't even go there about skateboarders. That's as bad a
stereotype as any motorist ever had about cyclists.