brake pad treatment 2

g.daniels said:

when yawl goin down (or up) to NAPA for an 8oz can of BalKamp
765-1198 Napa Universal GP Bicycle Self Sealing Tube Cement known to
the State of California!
try the belt dressing?
before spraying with butane?

the idea here was that a consumer product like the common brake pad
and yawl will notice whether yawl like it or not since ima bout to is
that there's a lot more tires on the market than brake pads, what
gives? people don't stop?
Maybe the CONSUMERBRAKEPADS are tooo expletive deleted hard? If this
strikes yawl as moronic like most of the stuff i write then consider
the high mileage tire-eg the sears michelin, a wooden shoe if ever.
Jesus. Hard. Yawl bet hard. Slide kelly slide. that's a tire joke. see
the guardrail!
but a nice Dunlop. Soft. LOW mileage tire. No good. But stops lika
expletive deleted.
now about this armadadilla...
nice people. no teeth! talks funny. good camping company. swims!!
ifn yawl had dunlops there be more armadadilla for certain.

Since Dunlop hasn't made a bicycle tire in a good long
while, the ones I see are usually quite aged and hard.
Michelin makes a range of products of course but some, such
as the nice ample 32mm Dynamic, are pretty soft compared to
other modern tires. So if I took a moment to think about it,
I'd say your typical new Michelins are generally a lot
softer than your usual 1975-about-to-be-tossed Dunlops.

Was your experience different ?

And if you're saying that hard or soft front tires stop any
differently from one to another I'd disagree strongly. Where
are you going with this?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi said:

g.daniels wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the idea here was that a consumer product like the common brake pad
and yawl will notice whether yawl like it or not since ima bout to is
that there's a lot more tires on the market than brake pads, what
gives? people don't stop?
Maybe the CONSUMERBRAKEPADS are tooo expletive deleted hard? If this
strikes yawl as moronic like most of the stuff i write then consider
the high mileage tire-eg the sears michelin, a wooden shoe if ever.

And if you're saying that hard or soft front tires stop any differently
from one to another I'd disagree strongly. Where are you going with this?

Though I hesitate to interpret Mr. Daniels' inimitable style, I think he's
drawing an analogy. He sees a lot more aftermarket tires than brake pads...is
that because the brake pads last too long, because they're too hard? Just as
harder tire compounds last longer (but provide less grip)?

At the risk of continuing the thread without really understanding the topic, I'd
say the relative dearth of aftermarket bicycle brake pads is due to consumers
not considering replacement at intervals, as they might with obviously
age-cracked, dried-out tires. Most people don't ride enough to wear out tires or
brake pads, but the tires are a lot more obvious. Also, I don't think there's as
much opportunity for product differentiation in brake pads as there is with
tires. Tires can vary diameter, tread pattern, construction, color,
kevlar/not...brake pads can be differenct colors and different compounds, and
that's about it, I suppose.

JLS
--
James "Or maybe he was just talking about cars" Scott
www.jls.cx

AMUZI WROTE: "Was your experience different?" (hehehehe)

AND WROTE FURTHER!: "And if you're saying that hard or soft front
tires stop any differently from one to another I'd disagree strongly.
Where
are you going with this?"

The two rubber groups are not up to speed: there up to cost
accounting, profit and loss statements.Like brushing teeth with salt.

i am using AUTO TIRES as a consumer product analogy to consumer
product bicycle brake pads most likely as more people experience a
variety of AUTO TIRES than say bicycle tires or bicycle brake pads.
Auto tires differ vastly as the consumer preferences differ
vastly-cost,performance,need,interest,knowledge-all combine(sorry)past
the realization(what?) that in the last analysis the rubber meets the
ground and that's what counts. A lotus on four spot coopers is a dog
but a mustang on dunlops is more or less driveable in a straight line.
But pad rubber? not much choice over at the bargain basement and I've
yet to try aztecs or? the shimano are on course good. the bargain
basement pads such as BELL/Walmoort or flea market specials rescued
from the "chain oil creates dirt stockpile" ( and you shud see the
aluminum dump! 5 acres 35 feet high white Al!!) need help.
Like the pads as a CONSUMER PRODUCT are expected like Sears Michelins,
too last an eternity or forever which ever comes first'.
CHEOPS LIVES!!
but I'll settle for pads that last 2-3 months if effective in stopping
the expletive deleted LTC(loaded touring commuter)
and i'll soakem in vinegar-butane-toad extract.
some say the belt dressing from NAPA actually hardens the rubber? i
haven't tried that yet. Some also say that bicycle tire rubber is more
or less the same across the asphalt but running Conti TT i'd say that
last is akin to JBrandt waxing rhapsodically about his 40,000 mile
spokes.
In the end! The basic brake pad is a lot like the basic tube rubber
cement glue
THAT IS INEFFECTIVE.

Where are you going with this?
PART TWO!!

Google web>Results 1 - 10 of about 843,000 for rubber treatment. (0.57
seconds)
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Frankly my dear Muzi, seems a good way to get sumpthin for nuthin"
Soak the $1.00 flea pad in [censored], get an $8 pad that stops like
expletive deleted but lasts but 45 days which is an exorbitant cost at
$8 a set. Rashcity!!
But at $1.00 plus [censored].
Who could kick? Harris?

right scott! it's the compound. brake pads shud last forever.
wrong. brake pads shud stop the bike. in the rain.
i pulled on a giant ocr lever this morning. nice pads. nice
cablehousing: braided! 8 inch long pads-ultegra
maybe the question-which is an inquiry as "who knows and will answer"
lies more in the flea market area than the ultegra area tho i'd be
willing to wager all race mechanics have thought of the treatment or
in fact and practice use a treatment.
it's an interesting question about mundane pads. consumer cost
accounting?
wanna place it against the disc brake mania. "gotta have one.
gimmegimme. first on my block nyahnyahnyah!" who drives that? well, at
$100 plus vs $5...
count the posts! pads vs disc brakes?
count the answers!!!
zero vs 10k!

ROSIN?
bag?
off course the bottom line is dirt accumulation.

g.daniels said:

ROSIN?
bag?
off course the bottom line is dirt accumulation.

Who's Rosin and why is he a dirt bag?

Bill "just trying to follow along here" S.

finally wandered over to discunt auto fora bottle uh valvo synthetic
chain lube and sum belt dressing.
local hassle repeatedly informed and demanded that the belt dressing
made belts slippery. And on entering the store, i wuz informed that
duh THEY didn't have any and it was no longer stocked. Ah florida!
lowest in intelligence and highest in crime.
so, the belt dressing! aha! in the second shelf from the floor, in the
corner. i mean like IN THE CORNER, behind the cheapo mexican oil
display, and two were left.
CRC BELT SOMETHING.$3
The brakes(using the word brake loosely) applied with a death grip
front and rear sugggested a mild deceleration and several quick turns
to the left and right. The pads are flea market "continentals"? from
old ten speeds now defunct from no lube abuse possibly of great
antiquity say 10 or more years and are worn out-i added inside washers
for the fronts when remounting.
Cleaned the front brake pads and rim with straight denatured CHO with
the rim off(broke a spoke, repacked the-but couldn't find the new
bearings, and cleaned the rears sight unseen with CHO on an old sock
strip.
applied CRC on the front, and rear awkwardly(then thought of using a
spat tula)

RESULTS: SEVERAL THOUSAND PERCENT INCREASE IN STOPPING POWER.
the old pipe stopped GOOD!
NO SIGNIFICANT DIRT COLLECTION-EXPECTED AN INCREASE HERE BUT
NO THE
PRODUCT IS INDUSTRIALLY THOUGHT OUT.
USEFUL OVER TWO-THREE COMMUTES OF 40-50 miles.
compatible with the valvo synthetic 85-140 chain lube
would not leave home without it

RIM BRAKE SURFACE CLEANING-
the crc rubber prep cleaning has two stages:
1)isopropyl rubbing alcohol as sold in the superduper's over the
counter drugs section cleans top grit yet leaves a mild residue of CRC
allowing yawl to proceed without respray
2) a thorough cleanup requires paint thinner removing grit and crc
THEN reclean with the isopropyl, removing paint thinner's residual
oils, thinner being an oil based solvent.