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  1. Has anyone ever heard of episodic bradycardia along with
    RAISED blood pressure?

    Husband has been having near-syncope episodes supposedly due
    to bradycardia. He starts feeling dizzy, is confused and
    disoriented, with heart rate usually around 43. Layind down
    reduces dizzines, sitting up or standing or just moving
    around makes it worse.

    Going on for about 3 years, with episodes maybe once every 4
    to 6 months. Episodes last anywhere from a few hours to
    (longest) 2 days.

    ECGs, Holter, stress tests, chest xrays and now a Reveal
    Plus Heart Monitor since last fall -- all showing a healthy
    heart. Also a CT scan of the head, glucose tests and
    thyroid tests.

    Docs now suspect that episodes are neurological in nature
    and that the bradycardia a side effect of the near syncope,
    rather than the cause.

    Have been reading about vertebral arteries and symptoms that
    go along with TIAs and such. However, as with all the
    cardiac stuff I read, all the neurological symptoms seems to
    note near syncope along with REDUCED blood pressure.

    Episode yesterday with actual loss of consciousness this
    time. In and out for about 90 minutes. Before passing out he
    had talked about "waves" of a "weird feeling", and blood
    pressure went from about
    145/75 to 160/100 over a period of about half an hour, pulse
    was 43. At the hospital he was unable to answer simple
    questions - what year is it, what day is it, where are
    you, etc. Also complained of tingling around the lips.

    Started slowly coming out of it, becoming more aware. BP
    leveled out to normal (for him), avg. 130/70, over the next
    hour or so. Pulse up to 49.

    There has never been any nausea, blurred vision, numbness
    in limbs, chest pain, slurred speech. We have noted that he
    often has a headache the night before one of these
    episodes, but that did not happen this time. However, he
    did complain of headache after. Very fatigued and depressed
    in hospital, and started headache again today after being
    allowed to get up for bathroom, brushing teeth and just
    sitting in chair for a while. Tylenol helps but does not
    completely treat headache.

    Doctors admit they have no idea what is going on.
    Carotid doppler today - don't know results yet - and now
    in the middle of a 12-hour EEG. I suspect he will be
    going home not knowing any more than we do now, just
    instructions to come back in when it happens again
    (probably in about six months).

    Aliens? Phases of the moon? Vodoo curses?

    Nothing I read seems to make sense, mostly in terms of the
    blood pressure. Nothing references blood pressure going UP
    during any kind of episode, always down.

    I will note that my husband is a high stress kind guy, and
    that these episodes - particularly the one yesterday - scare
    him. He has been known to hyperventilate during other
    medical scares, but has never done so during one of these
    bradycardia events.

    So, anyone ever heard of anything like this, or have any
    suggestions about what more I can research? I will also be
    posting this in a neuro forum.

    Thanks.

  2. Most doctors are very ignorant on neurocardiogenic syncope.
    I'm surprised the doctors didn't blame your husband for his
    problems. The symptoms you are describing are from cerebral
    malperfusion. Even though blood pressure seems "good",
    obviously the cardiac output is not. It is not uncommon for
    the BP to go up when the pulse goes down. This is from
    excessive vasoconstriction, then an overcompensated vagal
    response. You should see an autonomic specialist for
    evaluation and treatment. Forget a "normal" neurologist or a
    "normal" cardiologist.

    NCS can be treated. For more information, please visit the
    national dysautonomia research foundation:

    ndrf.orgndrf.org

    Good Luck!

    Mike

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    Has anyone ever heard of episodic bradycardia along with RAISED blood
    pressure?

    Husband has been having near-syncope episodes supposedly due to
    bradycardia. He starts feeling dizzy, is confused and disoriented,
    with heart rate usually around 43. Layind down reduces dizzines,
    sitting up or standing or just moving around makes it worse.

    Going on for about 3 years, with episodes maybe once every 4 to 6
    months. Episodes last anywhere from a few hours to (longest) 2 days.

    ECGs, Holter, stress tests, chest xrays and now a Reveal Plus Heart
    Monitor since last fall -- all showing a healthy heart. Also a CT scan
    of the head, glucose tests and thyroid tests.

    Docs now suspect that episodes are neurological in nature and that the
    bradycardia a side effect of the near syncope, rather than the cause.

    Have been reading about vertebral arteries and symptoms that go along
    with TIAs and such. However, as with all the cardiac stuff I read,
    all the neurological symptoms seems to note near syncope along with
    REDUCED blood pressure.

    Episode yesterday with actual loss of consciousness this time. In and
    out for about 90 minutes. Before passing out he had talked about
    "waves" of a "weird feeling", and blood pressure went from about
    145/75 to 160/100 over a period of about half an hour, pulse was 43.
    At the hospital he was unable to answer simple questions - what year
    is it, what day is it, where are you, etc. Also complained of
    tingling around the lips.

    Started slowly coming out of it, becoming more aware. BP leveled out
    to normal (for him), avg. 130/70, over the next hour or so. Pulse up
    to 49.

    There has never been any nausea, blurred vision, numbness in limbs,
    chest pain, slurred speech. We have noted that he often has a
    headache the night before one of these episodes, but that did not
    happen this time. However, he did complain of headache after. Very
    fatigued and depressed in hospital, and started headache again today
    after being allowed to get up for bathroom, brushing teeth and just
    sitting in chair for a while. Tylenol helps but does not completely
    treat headache.

    Doctors admit they have no idea what is going on. Carotid doppler
    today - don't know results yet - and now in the middle of a 12-hour
    EEG. I suspect he will be going home not knowing any more than we do
    now, just instructions to come back in when it happens again (probably
    in about six months).

    Aliens? Phases of the moon? Vodoo curses?

    Nothing I read seems to make sense, mostly in terms of the blood
    pressure. Nothing references blood pressure going UP during any kind
    of episode, always down.

    I will note that my husband is a high stress kind guy, and that these
    episodes - particularly the one yesterday - scare him. He has been
    known to hyperventilate during other medical scares, but has never
    done so during one of these bradycardia events.

    So, anyone ever heard of anything like this, or have any suggestions
    about what more I can research? I will also be posting this in a
    neuro forum.

    Thanks.

  3. piggypot said:


    Has anyone ever heard of episodic bradycardia along with
    RAISED blood pressure?

    Husband has been having near-syncope episodes supposedly
    due to bradycardia. He starts feeling dizzy, is confused
    and disoriented, with heart rate usually around 43. Layind
    down reduces dizzines, sitting up or standing or just
    moving around makes it worse.

    Going on for about 3 years, with episodes maybe once every
    4 to 6 months. Episodes last anywhere from a few hours to
    (longest) 2 days.

    ECGs, Holter, stress tests, chest xrays and now a Reveal
    Plus Heart Monitor since last fall -- all showing a
    healthy heart. Also a CT scan of the head, glucose tests
    and thyroid tests.

    Docs now suspect that episodes are neurological in nature
    and that the bradycardia a side effect of the near
    syncope, rather than the cause.

    Have been reading about vertebral arteries and symptoms
    that go along with TIAs and such. However, as with all the
    cardiac stuff I read, all the neurological symptoms seems
    to note near syncope along with REDUCED blood pressure.

    Episode yesterday with actual loss of consciousness this
    time. In and out for about 90 minutes. Before passing out
    he had talked about "waves" of a "weird feeling", and
    blood pressure went from about
    145/75 to 160/100 over a period of about half an hour,
    pulse was 43. At the hospital he was unable to answer
    simple questions - what year is it, what day is it,
    where are you, etc. Also complained of tingling around
    the lips.

    Started slowly coming out of it, becoming more aware. BP
    leveled out to normal (for him), avg. 130/70, over the
    next hour or so. Pulse up to 49.

    There has never been any nausea, blurred vision, numbness
    in limbs, chest pain, slurred speech. We have noted that
    he often has a headache the night before one of these
    episodes, but that did not happen this time. However, he
    did complain of headache after. Very fatigued and
    depressed in hospital, and started headache again today
    after being allowed to get up for bathroom, brushing teeth
    and just sitting in chair for a while. Tylenol helps but
    does not completely treat headache.

    Doctors admit they have no idea what is going on. Carotid
    doppler today - don't know results yet - and now in the
    middle of a 12-hour EEG. I suspect he will be going home
    not knowing any more than we do now, just instructions to
    come back in when it happens again (probably in about six
    months).

    Aliens? Phases of the moon? Vodoo curses?

    Nothing I read seems to make sense, mostly in terms of the
    blood pressure. Nothing references blood pressure going UP
    during any kind of episode, always down.

    I will note that my husband is a high stress kind guy, and
    that these episodes - particularly the one yesterday -
    scare him. He has been known to hyperventilate during
    other medical scares, but has never done so during one of
    these bradycardia events.

    So, anyone ever heard of anything like this, or have any
    suggestions about what more I can research? I will also be
    posting this in a neuro forum.

    Thanks.

    Could still be symptomatic sick sinus syndrome (SSS), imho.

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  4. Mike (Remove X's to reply) said:


    Most doctors are very ignorant on neurocardiogenic
    syncope. I'm surprised the doctors didn't blame your
    husband for his problems. The symptoms you are describing
    are from cerebral malperfusion. Even though blood pressure
    seems "good", obviously the cardiac output is not. It is
    not uncommon for the BP to go up when the pulse goes down.
    This is from excessive vasoconstriction, then an
    overcompensated vagal response. You should see an
    autonomic specialist for evaluation and treatment. Forget
    a "normal" neurologist or a "normal" cardiologist.

    For the usual cases of neurocardiogenic syncope (aka
    vasovagal syncope), blood pressure falls and there is
    usually significant GI discomfort.

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    Andrew

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    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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  5. Well, as suspected, my husband came home after five days in
    the hospital with no diagnosis -- but at least we know a lot
    of things it ISN'T. (I'll take what I can get.......)

    I'll check into the possibilities you mentioned. Thanks so
    much for your replies.

  6. piggypot said:

    Well, as suspected, my husband came home after five days
    in the hospital with no diagnosis -- but at least we know
    a lot of things it ISN'T. (I'll take what I can
    get.......)

    I'll check into the possibilities you mentioned. Thanks so
    much for your replies.

    You are welcome :-)

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

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    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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  7. Hi all
    don't know if we can help each other. Just searching for information for myself and came across your link. I've suffered from sever cluster migrains from the age of 14 now 55. Always been into fitness apart from when the migrains hit, can last for a month at a time For the past 3 yrs been under neurologist who has diognosed overactive brain (I only sleep about 4 hrs per night). On good drug that has helped a lot and are now under reasonable control. Good weight, good BP very fit. However last summer went on holiday abroad felt ill and collapsed unconcious rushes to hospital and in intencive care for 10 days. Heart rate dropped to 28 BPM put on atripne to keep heart rate up. Consultant wanted to fit pacemaker but insurance would not authorise. Flown back to UK. NHS next to useless so paid to see private consultant after 2 month who has said could it take a year for my own bodys pacemaker to start working again properly. I've had table tilt tests, lots of ECG's, been on running machines to near collapse, had the heart monitor fitted for 48 hours at home. I am in the middle of another episode at the moment, my heart rate never goes above 56BPM, if it does I feel ill, at the moment it is 48BPM. Prior to this my resting heart rate was always 65BPM. Please let me know it this info is of any use to you. I have not cycled since August 2010 for fear I may blackout, Dr said I can use the lay back bike in the gym, I don't think so. Bye Nije

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