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  1. Well, my birthday was this past Sat. and I cooked myself
    a birthday dinner and invited a couple of friends and
    relatives. The theme was Persian/Middle Eastern.

    Here's the menu:
    Appetizer - Green Lentil Dip and Pita Bread
    Main Course - Fesenjan (Persian Duck in Walnut
    Pomegranate Sauce), Persian Sour Cherry Rice,
    Turkish Stuffed Zucchini, Persian Cucumber and
    Yogurt Salad
    Wine - Grand View Raspberry Infusion (red wine
    infused with raspberries, from Vermont)
    Dessert - Semolina Cake, Syrup Poached Dried Apricots
    Stuffed with Whipped Cream and Pistachios

    First off the green lentil dip was completely
    blah. And the damn recipe made almost 2 quarts of
    the stuff. If I had been paying attention I would
    have halved or quartered it. Now I'm stuck with
    a ton of the stuff. I'm going to doctor it up
    and make soup out of it at some later date. For
    now it's in the freezer. It wasn't *bad* it just
    wasn't good. And on top of that I over-toasted the
    pita chips and they were almost burnt. Bleh!
    Anyway, I couldn't really figure out what was wrong
    with the recipe. I'm generally pretty good at looking
    at a recipe and knowing how it's going to come out.
    And I can usually tell what needs to be changed if it
    doesn't come out very good. For all I know this one
    could just use more salt but it doesn't *seem* like
    that's the problem.

    On to the main course. I was really looking forward
    to the Fesenjan. I've made it before, but from a different
    recipe and a long time ago. Also, I substituted almonds
    for the walnuts as I don't like walnuts very much, although
    I will eat them in some things but they have to be ground
    up find and heavily sweetened such as in my aunt's nut
    crescents that she makes every Easter. Anyway, I decided
    that since they are ground up and cooked with lots of other
    seasonings that they wouldn't be too bad so I used the
    walnuts this time. The trouble with the recipe is that
    you can't really taste the pomegranate juice! I remember
    the one I made before having more of a fruity taste. This
    one did not. Also, I may have put a little too much salt
    in it although it was not overly salty, just saltier than
    I prefer - I'm not a big fan of salt and only use enough
    to keep food from being bland but not so much I can taste
    it. I usually at least halve the amount called for in
    a recipe. This time I didn't. Stupid! I was especially
    chagrined because I love duck and don't cook it very often
    as it's a tad expensive and I had bought this duck on sale
    back in Nov. and had been saving it all this time and was
    so disappointed in the way the dish turned out. I've been
    eating the leftovers and it tasted even worse on Sunday but
    I had some last night and it tasted somewhat better. Maybe
    my taste buds are going through menopause. ;-) Oh, well.
    I'm going to go out and get another duck and just make up
    my own recipe and with no nuts at all. I think I'll marinate
    it in the pomegranate juice and just add a few things to
    make the sauce. (P. S. I used 2 different recipes and
    sort of mixed and matched. They are below. Same goes for
    the sour cherry rice.)

    The sour cherry rice was also disappointing. I followed
    the recipe pretty closely and even tracked down the sour
    cherry preserves that are called for so it would be very
    authentic. But I didn't like it. There is way too much
    preserves for the amount of rice so the dish was too sweet.
    Also, and this was totally my fault, the rice was over-cooked
    and that didn't help. But mainly it was too sweet. I think
    I like my fake version that I made once before with just
    canned sour cherries (packed in water) with a little sugar
    added and made like a regular rice pilaf. Besides being too
    sweet there was a funny funky flavor to the rice. It called
    for saffron and I just threw a bunch in. I'm wondering if
    that was the saffron flavor. I've never been able to taste
    saffron in the quantities that are normally used. Everyone
    says it has a distinctive flavor but anything I've ever
    eaten with saffron in it doesn't have any saffron flavor
    that I can discern, the stuff just seems to be there for
    the coloring, and it's a tad expensive to use for that
    purpose! Anyway, I put quite a bit in this dish as my aunt
    had given me a large quantity of it so I was being quite
    generous with the amounts in the dishes since I hadn't had to
    pay for it myself.

    The stuffed zucchini was also rather uninspired. The stuffing
    was the scooped out zucchini, onion, garlic, fresh dill, some
    egg and flour and feta cheese. Not bad, just not great. I
    regretted wasting my good Bulgarian feta on this dish.

    The cucumber-yogurt thing was another item that didn't live
    up to expectations. Certainly edible but not something I'd
    ever make again. It had fresh mint in it.

    The wine was excellent.

    Dessert was much better. The semolina cake was good but I
    wasn't thrilled with the texture. The cake is bake then cut
    into diamond shapes and soaked with a lemony sugar syrup.
    It tastes great, but I wondered if the semolina I used was
    slightly too coarse. It was the only kind I found. But that
    wasn't a big problem. I'm still enjoying it. (No recipe below
    as it's in a book at home, not on the computer at work.)

    The piece de resistance was the apricot thing. The dried
    apricots are soaked in warm water, drained, and then poached
    in a lemon, sugar syrup briefly. They are then drained and
    filled with whipped cream. You're supposed fold sliced
    almonds into the whipped cream but I didn't do that as I hate
    soggy nuts. (They would have been okay if eaten immediately
    but any leftovers would have gotten soggy.) Also, I have a
    ton of pistachios so I decided to use just pistachios, which
    I finely chopped and sprinkled on top. Also, the recipe didn't
    call for it but I added some vanilla to the whipped cream.
    These things are to die for. I will most definitely make them
    again!

    So that was my birthday dinner. Food-wise I got some really
    good presents - Cherry Republic Cherry Ketchup, Cherry Republic
    Cherry BBQ Sauce, Cherry Republic Cherry Brownie, and Cherry
    Republic Chocolate-covered Dried Cherries. I had a very cherry
    birthday! I also got a box of bunny peeps. I'm glad the
    people in my life know of my love for Cherry Republic products
    and have the Cherry Republic catalogue. ;-)

    Kate

    LENTIL DIP (Adasi)

    2 c. green lentils, picked over and washed
    3 T. vegetable oil, butter, or ghee
    2 lg. onions, peeled and thinly sliced
    4 cloves garlic, peeled and crushed
    1 t. salt
    1/2 t. freshly ground black pepper
    1 T. angelica powder
    1/2 c. Seville orange juice or mixture of 2 T. fresh lime juice and 1/4
    c. fresh orange juice

    Place the lentils in a large saucepan and add 6 cups of water and 1
    teaspoon of salt. Bring to a boil. Cover and simmer over low heat for
    about 30 minutes, stirring occasionally; add more water as necessary to
    keep the beans immersed. In a large skillet heat the oil over medium
    heat. Add onions and garlic and fry for 20 minutes, stirring
    occasionally to prevent burning. Add the fried onion mixture, salt, and
    pepper to the lentils and bring to a boil. Cover and simmer over low
    heat for another 45 minutes. Add angelica powder and Seville orange
    juice and adjust seasonings to taste. Serve hot or cold with lavash
    bread. This recipe may be made up to 24 hours in advance and stored in
    the refrigerator. If the salad is refrigerated for more than an hour,
    remove it from the refrigerator 10 minutes before serving. Serves 4.
    (Recipe from Najmieh Batmanglij's A Taste of Persia)

    FESENJAN (Persian Duck in Walnut and Pomegranate Sauce)

    1 4-5 lb. duck
    salt
    pepper
    8 T. butter
    2 onions, grated
    2 c. walnuts, finely pulverized
    1/2 c. pomegranate syrup or juice
    3 T. sugar
    1 t. cardamom
    1/2 t. salt
    1/4 t. pepper
    2 1/2 c. water
    1 T. lemon juice
    3/4 c. chopped walnuts
    tangerine sections

    Wash, pat dry, and quarter duck. Rub well with salt and pepper. Brown
    in 4 T. butter. Remove to a Dutch oven. Saute onions in remaining 4 T.
    butter. Lower heat and add pulverized nuts, pomegranate syrup (or
    juice), sugar, cardamom, salt, pepper, water, and lemon juice. Cook
    over low heat until will blended. Pour over duck. Cover and cook over
    low heat for 45 minutes or until tender. Baste several times. Skim off
    fat. Remove duck to heated platter and pour sauce over. Sprinkle with
    chopped nuts. Garnish with tangerine sections. (Add fresh pomegranate
    seeds to garnish when in season.) Serve with chelo (a Persian rice
    dish). Serves 4.

    SOUR CHERRY RICE

    3 cups basmati rice
    4 tablespoons salt
    large yellow onion, finely chopped
    1/2 pound butter (2 sticks)
    3/4 teaspoon saffron, crushed finely into powder with pestle
    3 cups sour cherry (Morello) preserves
    slice of pita bread

    Fill large pot with water. Add 2 tablespoons salt. Soak rice for two
    hours. Drain. In large nonstick pot, add 9 cups water, 2 tablespoons
    salt, and pre-soaked rice. Bring to boil. Stir gently occasionally to
    prevent rice from sticking. Cook until al dente. Drain. Rinse with
    cold water, then shake colander to remove excess water. Set aside. In
    skillet, fry onion in 4 tablespoons (1/2 stick) butter until golden.
    Lower flame. Add saffron to onions. Add sour cherries. Simmer for 15
    minutes, being careful not to burn. Cover bottom of nonstick pot with
    olive oil. Separate one piece of pita bread and place it on the bottom
    of pot. Spoon thick layer of rice over pita bread; spoon layer of sour
    cherry preserves over rice, then alternate layers, forming a mound.
    Poke holes in rice mixture with handle of spatula to allow steam to
    rise. Mix until rice takes on color of preserves. Melt remaining 1½
    sticks of butter. Pour evenly over rice. If juice from cherries
    gathers around edges of pot, skim off excess so tadiq at bottom won't be
    mushy. Cover with clean towel. Then put lid on. Place pot on medium
    heat. When you hear sizzling at the bottom (after about 5 minutes),
    then bring down heat to low. Cook covered for 45 minutes to an hour.
    Serves 6.

    PARVIN'S POMEGRANATE CHICKEN STEW AND SOUR CHERRY RICE

    6 tablespoons olive oil
    2 large onions, finely chopped
    2 cloves garlic, crushed
    2 cups finely ground walnuts
    2 teaspoons coarse salt
    2 teaspoons freshly ground pepper
    2 teaspoons ground turmeric
    1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
    1 1/4 cups water
    1-2 teaspoons saffron water
    1 cup freshly squeezed orange juice
    1 cup pomegranate paste
    1 whole 4-pound chicken
    1 teaspoon ground paprika
    Sour Cherry Rice
    yogurt

    In a large stockpot, heat 3 tablespoons oil over medium heat. Add 1
    onion and the garlic. Cook, stirring frequently, until golden brown,
    10-15 minutes. Add walnuts, and cook, stirring constantly, for 3-4
    minutes. Stir in 1 teaspoon salt, 1 teaspoon pepper, 1 teaspoon
    turmeric, the cinnamon, 1 cup water, and the saffron water. Stir in
    orange juice and pomegranate paste. Bring to a boil, reduce to a
    simmer, and cook, covered, stirring occasionally, for 35 minutes. In
    another large stockpot, heat remaining 3 tablespoons oil over
    medium-high heat. Add remaining onion and cook, stirring frequently,
    until golden brown, about 10 minutes. Add chicken and cook, turning
    occasionally, until brown all over, about 10 minutes. Add the paprika,
    remaining teaspoon turmeric, remaining teaspoon salt, pepper, and
    remaining ¼ cup water. Cover, and simmer for 20 minutes. Add chicken,
    pan juices, and onions to pomegranate mixture. Cover, and cook for 45
    minutes. Serve with sour cherry rice and yogurt. Serves 4-6.

    Sour Cherry Rice:
    4 cups basmati rice
    1 teaspoon coarse salt
    3 tablespoons unsalted butter
    1 tablespoon plain yogurt
    2 teaspoons saffron water
    32 ounces whole sour cherry preserves, drained and liquid reserved
    2 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil

    Place rice in a medium bowl, and add enough water to cover. Pour off
    water, and repeat process 2-3 more times. Add enough cold water to
    cover. Add salt, and let stand for 10-15 minutes. Drain. Bring a
    large pot of water to a boil. Add rice, and cook until almost tender, 5
    minutes. Drain. Meanwhile, in a medium nonstick stockpot, combine 2
    tablespoons water, butter, yogurt, and 1 teaspoon saffron water. Add
    rice, layering with the cherries, and cherry liquid. Sprinkle with
    remaining saffron water and the oil. Cover top of stockpot with a thick
    kitchen towel, and place lid on top. Cook over medium heat for 5
    minutes. Reduce heat to low, and cook for 30 minutes more. Invert rice
    onto a large platter. Serve immediately.

    MAAST-O-KHIAR
    (Yogurt Cucumber Salad)

    500 g yogurt
    1/2 sm. cucumber, grated
    1 sm. onion, grated
    2 t. mint
    salt
    black pepper

    Beat yogurt well until it flows smoothly. If yogurt is thick, add a bit
    of water while beating. If fresh mint is used, it should be finely
    chopped. Add mint, onion, cucumber, salt, and pepper to yogurt and mix
    well. Leave in the refrigerator for two hours, then serve.
    Maast-o-Khiar makes a delicious side dish. Makes 4 servings.

    STUFFED ZUCCHINI, TURKISH STYLE

    4 med. zucchini, halved lengthwise
    3 T. butter
    3/4 c. finely minced onion
    3 cloves garlic, crushed
    3 eggs, beaten
    1/2 c. crumbled feta cheese
    3/4 c. grated Swiss cheese
    2 T. freshly chopped parsley
    1 T. fresh, chopped dill (or 3/4 t. dried dill weed)
    1 1/2 T. flour
    salt and pepper to taste
    paprika for the top

    Scoop out the insides of the zucchini to leave a 1/2" rim. Chop the
    innards into little bits and cook in butter with onions, garlic, salt,
    and pepper until onions are soft. Combine with flour, cheeses, herbs,
    and beaten eggs. Correct salt and pepper. Fill the zucchini cavities
    and dust the tops with paprika. Bake at 375F for 30 minutes or until
    the filling solidifies. Serve with a fresh tomato salad. (From The
    Moosewood Cookbook)

    KAYMAKLI KAYISI (Cream-filled Apricots - Turkey)

    1 lb. dried apricot halves
    2 c. sugar
    1 c. water
    1/2 lemon
    1 c. whipping cream
    1 c. slivered almonds
    2 t. slivered pistachios

    Soak apricots in warm water 2 hours to soften. Drain. Combine sugar, 1
    cup water, and lemon half. Boil until syrupy, 225F-230F on candy
    thermometer. Add apricots and simmer 5 minutes. Remove from heat and
    allow to cool. Whip cream until stiff. Fold 1 cup almonds into cream.
    Arrange apricot halves in single layer, inner side up. Dollop cream
    mixture onto 50 percent of apricot halves. Cover with other 50 percent,
    like sandwich. Sprinkle remaining almonds and pistachios over tops.
    Makes about 75, if small apricots are used.

    --
    Kate Connally
    “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
    Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.”
    What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
    [email hidden]

  2. Kate said:

    LENTIL DIP (Adasi)

    2 c. green lentils, picked over and washed
    3 T. vegetable oil, butter, or ghee
    2 lg. onions, peeled and thinly sliced
    4 cloves garlic, peeled and crushed
    1 t. salt
    1/2 t. freshly ground black pepper
    1 T. angelica powder
    1/2 c. Seville orange juice or mixture of 2 T. fresh lime juice and 1/4
    c. fresh orange juice

    Place the lentils in a large saucepan and add 6 cups of water and 1
    teaspoon of salt. Bring to a boil. Cover and simmer over low heat for
    about 30 minutes, stirring occasionally; add more water as necessary to
    keep the beans immersed. In a large skillet heat the oil over medium
    heat. Add onions and garlic and fry for 20 minutes, stirring
    occasionally to prevent burning. Add the fried onion mixture, salt, and
    pepper to the lentils and bring to a boil. Cover and simmer over low
    heat for another 45 minutes. Add angelica powder and Seville orange
    juice and adjust seasonings to taste. Serve hot or cold with lavash
    bread. This recipe may be made up to 24 hours in advance and stored in
    the refrigerator. If the salad is refrigerated for more than an hour,
    remove it from the refrigerator 10 minutes before serving. Serves 4.
    (Recipe from Najmieh Batmanglij's A Taste of Persia)

    Hm. Not sure where this might be flawed. First, I'd use ghee if authenticity
    was important, but I'd use bacon fat if I had the latitude to experiment.
    I'd also use some kind of stock (ham stock, vegetable stock, or chicken
    stock) instead of water to cook the lentils. I'd probably also want to add
    some cumin into the onions and some turmeric into the lentils as they cook.
    Oh, and you could add mustard seed when you cook the onions.

    Quoted message said:

    FESENJAN (Persian Duck in Walnut and Pomegranate Sauce)

    1 4-5 lb. duck
    salt
    pepper
    8 T. butter
    2 onions, grated
    2 c. walnuts, finely pulverized
    1/2 c. pomegranate syrup or juice
    3 T. sugar
    1 t. cardamom
    1/2 t. salt
    1/4 t. pepper
    2 1/2 c. water
    1 T. lemon juice
    3/4 c. chopped walnuts
    tangerine sections

    Wash, pat dry, and quarter duck. Rub well with salt and pepper. Brown
    in 4 T. butter. Remove to a Dutch oven. Saute onions in remaining 4 T.
    butter. Lower heat and add pulverized nuts, pomegranate syrup (or
    juice), sugar, cardamom, salt, pepper, water, and lemon juice. Cook
    over low heat until will blended. Pour over duck. Cover and cook over
    low heat for 45 minutes or until tender. Baste several times. Skim off
    fat. Remove duck to heated platter and pour sauce over. Sprinkle with
    chopped nuts. Garnish with tangerine sections. (Add fresh pomegranate
    seeds to garnish when in season.) Serve with chelo (a Persian rice
    dish). Serves 4.

    I'd use pomegranate MOLASSES rather than pomegranate JUICE. Besides
    pomegranate molasses, the recipe I have for fesenjan calls for ginger,
    turmeric, and cumin. It doesn't have any cardamom or saffron.

    Quoted message said:

    MAAST-O-KHIAR
    (Yogurt Cucumber Salad)

    500 g yogurt
    1/2 sm. cucumber, grated
    1 sm. onion, grated
    2 t. mint
    salt
    black pepper

    Beat yogurt well until it flows smoothly. If yogurt is thick, add a bit
    of water while beating. If fresh mint is used, it should be finely
    chopped. Add mint, onion, cucumber, salt, and pepper to yogurt and mix
    well. Leave in the refrigerator for two hours, then serve.
    Maast-o-Khiar makes a delicious side dish. Makes 4 servings.

    The quality of the cucumber is what I'd worry about here. If the final dish
    is supposed to have a discernible cucumber flavor, then the cucumber you
    start with can't be flavorless. I dunno; I might not even *try* this dish
    in the winter. But here's something you could try: Grate the cucumber into a
    cheesecloth-lined colander over a bowl, sprinkle lightly with salt and
    sugar, and let it sit for about half an hour. Then squeeze it dry over the
    bowl. (This parallels a Japanese technique of salting and sugaring cucumber
    slices and then sort of massaging them to develop their flavor.) Taste the
    juice in the bowl; if it's got a good flavor, you can use it to thin the
    yogurt, otherwise discard it.

    Quoted message said:

    STUFFED ZUCCHINI, TURKISH STYLE

    4 med. zucchini, halved lengthwise
    3 T. butter
    3/4 c. finely minced onion
    3 cloves garlic, crushed
    3 eggs, beaten
    1/2 c. crumbled feta cheese
    3/4 c. grated Swiss cheese
    2 T. freshly chopped parsley
    1 T. fresh, chopped dill (or 3/4 t. dried dill weed)
    1 1/2 T. flour
    salt and pepper to taste
    paprika for the top

    Scoop out the insides of the zucchini to leave a 1/2" rim. Chop the
    innards into little bits and cook in butter with onions, garlic, salt,
    and pepper until onions are soft. Combine with flour, cheeses, herbs,
    and beaten eggs. Correct salt and pepper. Fill the zucchini cavities
    and dust the tops with paprika. Bake at 375F for 30 minutes or until
    the filling solidifies. Serve with a fresh tomato salad. (From The
    Moosewood Cookbook)

    I'm not sure this recipe *can* be salvaged, at least not to my tastes.
    Mostly, I'd be concerned about the zucchini getting mushy, and I don't like
    mushy zucchini. But here's a shot at salvation: I'd put panko on top along
    with the paprika, cook it only about 20 minutes at 375, then broil it to
    finish it off. Come to think of it, I'd probably leave the dill out and put
    some oregano and lemon zest in.

    It's too bad you weren't happy with the way many of your dishes turned out,
    but as others have said here before, the PEOPLE make the party, not the
    food! If you were with people whose company you enjoy, then your party
    accomplished its purpose. They were there to celebrate your birthday;
    everything else was EXTRA.

    Happy Belated Birthday!

    Bob

  3. Well Kate, sorry that some of the dinner didn't turn out to your liking, but
    the most important parts -- wine and dessert -- sounded wonderful, and it
    sounds like the gathering overall was fun.

    I've saved the apricot recipe...just the other day, I bought dried apricots,
    almonds, and pistachios without really knowing why (here's what happened...I
    went to Trader Joe's to buy one stinkin' jar of peanut butter and walked out
    with $62 worth of goodies). So now I just need some cream, and I'll be in
    business!

    And I will check out that Cherry Republic catalog, too.....

    Happy Birthday!

    Chris

  4. "Kate Connally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, my birthday was this past Sat. and I cooked myself
    a birthday dinner and invited a couple of friends and
    relatives. The theme was Persian/Middle Eastern.

    Here's the menu:
    Appetizer - Green Lentil Dip and Pita Bread
    Main Course - Fesenjan (Persian Duck in Walnut
    Pomegranate Sauce), Persian Sour Cherry Rice,
    Turkish Stuffed Zucchini, Persian Cucumber and
    Yogurt Salad
    Wine - Grand View Raspberry Infusion (red wine
    infused with raspberries, from Vermont)
    Dessert - Semolina Cake, Syrup Poached Dried Apricots
    Stuffed with Whipped Cream and Pistachios

    <snip>

    Bummer!

    Next time let the others cook then you can sit and enjoy.

    Happy Belated Birthday.

    Dimitri

  5. One time on Usenet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Kate Connally said:

    Well, my birthday was this past Sat. and I cooked myself
    a birthday dinner and invited a couple of friends and
    relatives. The theme was Persian/Middle Eastern.


    So, it didn't go quite right? Well, who cares. The important thing is
    that you are a year older, wiser, better, more fun to be with, and so
    on. Happy birthday! May you have many more.

    Well yeah, but this *is* a cooking group, so she's entitled to talk
    about any problems with dinner. She might get some helpful information
    from others.

    Quoted message said:

    Regards,
    Dave W. (wondering how many candles you tried to blow out ... 29?)

    In RFC, we ladies are all 37 years old...

    --
    J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~
    "You still haven't explained why the pool is
    filled with elf blood." - Frylock, ATHF

  6. Gal Called J.J. said:
    One time on Usenet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Kate Connally said:

    Well, my birthday was this past Sat. and I cooked myself
    a birthday dinner and invited a couple of friends and
    relatives. The theme was Persian/Middle Eastern.

    So, it didn't go quite right? Well, who cares. The important thing is
    that you are a year older, wiser, better, more fun to be with, and so
    on. Happy birthday! May you have many more.

    Well yeah, but this *is* a cooking group, so she's entitled to talk
    about any problems with dinner. She might get some helpful information
    from others.

    Quoted message said:

    Regards,
    Dave W. (wondering how many candles you tried to blow out ... 29?)

    In RFC, we ladies are all 37 years old...

    Ladies???!?! Didn't you mean to say *trollops*??

    --
    Steve

  7. Gal Called J.J. said:
    One time on Usenet said:
    Gal Called J.J. said:

    One time on Usenet, "Dave W." <[email hidden]> said:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Dave W. (wondering how many candles you tried to blow out ... 29?)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In RFC, we ladies are all 37 years old...

    Quoted message said:

    Ladies???!?! Didn't you mean to say *trollops*??

    IIRC, the birthday thing applies even to those of us who're
    not considered a trollop...


    My most mumble apologies m'Lady.

    --
    Steve

  8. One time on Usenet said:
    Gal Called J.J. said:
    One time on Usenet said:

    Gal Called J.J. wrote:
    >One time on Usenet, "Dave W." <[email hidden]> said:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>Dave W. (wondering how many candles you tried to blow out ... 29?)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >In RFC, we ladies are all 37 years old...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ladies???!?! Didn't you mean to say *trollops*??

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    IIRC, the birthday thing applies even to those of us who're
    not considered a trollop...

    Quoted message said:

    My most mumble apologies m'Lady.

    Heh! No problem, Steve. Heck, I wouldn't mind being considered
    a trollop, but I've never been sure how one qualifies. The Trollop
    movement was already in full motion by the time I first started
    reading RFC back in '96 or '97 (I can never remember exactly)...

    --
    J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~
    "You still haven't explained why the pool is
    filled with elf blood." - Frylock, ATHF

  9. Bob wrote:

    .. . . Many interesting comments and suggestions snipped . . .

    Quoted message said:

    It's too bad you weren't happy with the way many of your dishes turned out,
    but as others have said here before, the PEOPLE make the party, not the
    food! If you were with people whose company you enjoy, then your party
    accomplished its purpose. They were there to celebrate your birthday;
    everything else was EXTRA.

    Oh, I had a great time. Just found it unusual that so many
    of the dished didn't turn out great. I often make lots of
    new recipes when I have a dinner party and I rarely have
    anything not turn out really good. So this was sort of a
    fluke. Nothing was "horrible", just not so good I'd want
    to make it again. Anyway, thanks for the input.

    Quoted message said:

    Happy Belated Birthday!

    Don't you mean bQirthday? ;-) I just saw my post and
    saw my typo. Sheesh. I'm losing it.

    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally
    “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
    Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.”
    What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
    [email hidden]

  10. Chris Neidecker said:


    Well Kate, sorry that some of the dinner didn't turn out to your liking, but
    the most important parts -- wine and dessert

    Yep, the dessert's the most important part, especially since
    it's last! :-)

    Quoted message said:

    -- sounded wonderful, and it
    sounds like the gathering overall was fun.

    I've saved the apricot recipe...just the other day, I bought dried apricots,
    almonds, and pistachios without really knowing why (here's what happened...I
    went to Trader Joe's to buy one stinkin' jar of peanut butter and walked out
    with $62 worth of goodies). So now I just need some cream, and I'll be in
    business!

    The changes I made to the recipe were to just leave use the
    halves and not top them with another half. As I mentioned,
    I added vanilla to the whipped cream and used the usual amount
    of sugar, about 1 T. per cup of cream. And I left out the
    almonds and just sprinkled a generous amount of finely minced
    pistachios over the whipped cream. (Actually, I "minced" the
    pistachios in my mini-food processor.)

    Quoted message said:

    And I will check out that Cherry Republic catalog, too.....

    Happy Birthday!

    Thanks.

    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally
    “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
    Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.”
    What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
    [email hidden]

  11. Dimitri said:


    "Kate Connally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, my birthday was this past Sat. and I cooked myself
    a birthday dinner and invited a couple of friends and
    relatives. The theme was Persian/Middle Eastern.

    Here's the menu:
    Appetizer - Green Lentil Dip and Pita Bread
    Main Course - Fesenjan (Persian Duck in Walnut
    Pomegranate Sauce), Persian Sour Cherry Rice,
    Turkish Stuffed Zucchini, Persian Cucumber and
    Yogurt Salad
    Wine - Grand View Raspberry Infusion (red wine
    infused with raspberries, from Vermont)
    Dessert - Semolina Cake, Syrup Poached Dried Apricots
    Stuffed with Whipped Cream and Pistachios

    <snip>

    Bummer!

    Next time let the others cook then you can sit and enjoy.

    Yeah, but, I'm a control freak. I almost always
    cook my own birthday dinner. Especially since I
    always want some exotic new dish that no one else
    know how to make. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    Happy Belated Birthday.

    Thanks,

    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally
    “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
    Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.”
    What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
    [email hidden]

  12. Dave W. said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Kate Connally said:

    Well, my birthday was this past Sat. and I cooked myself
    a birthday dinner and invited a couple of friends and
    relatives. The theme was Persian/Middle Eastern.


    So, it didn't go quite right? Well, who cares. The important thing is
    that you are a year older,

    definitely

    Quoted message said:

    wiser,

    hardly

    Quoted message said:

    better,

    depends on who you ask

    Quoted message said:

    more fun to be with,

    I don't know how I could *be* any more fun to be with. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    and so on. Happy birthday! May you have many more.

    Thanks.

    Quoted message said:

    Regards,
    Dave W. (wondering how many candles you tried to blow out ... 29?)

    Exactly twice that! Oops!

    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally
    “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
    Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.”
    What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
    [email hidden]

  13. at Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:03:24 GMT in <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Kate Connally) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    Well, my birthday was this past Sat. and I cooked myself
    a birthday dinner and invited a couple of friends and
    relatives. The theme was Persian/Middle Eastern.

    First off the green lentil dip was completely
    blah....

    Persian food generally isn't like the typical Mediterranean cuisine - an
    explosion of flavours. It's generally subtle and mild - some people might
    consider that "blah". If you were expecting Middle Eastern food as in
    Mediterranean, then I could understand how you might have been
    disappointed. The dip looks fine to me. Did you use lime juice? Many
    Persian recipes call for it and without it the dish will always seem not-
    quite-right.

    Quoted message said:


    On to the main course. I was really looking forward
    to the Fesenjan. ...The trouble with the recipe is that
    you can't really taste the pomegranate juice! ...

    In Persian stores they generally have concentrated pomegranate syrup, which
    is probably what the recipe really needs. Is this what you got? U.S.
    pomegranates are also often pretty insipid, usually because they're
    harvested long before they're ripe. So if you were using a U.S.
    pomegranate, it might not have worked out very well. The good domestic
    pomegranates are small (baseball-sized) and are very clearly hexagonal in
    shape, looking from the top (blossom end), as opposed to the big,
    spherical, softball-sized ones.

    Quoted message said:


    The sour cherry rice was also disappointing. I followed
    the recipe pretty closely and even tracked down the sour
    cherry preserves that are called for so it would be very
    authentic. But I didn't like it. There is way too much
    preserves for the amount of rice so the dish was too sweet.

    The recipe you have lists 3 cups sour cherry (Morello) preserves. For the 3
    cups rice, that does sound like overkill. In addition, did you get
    specifically Persian sour cherry preserve or did you use domestic Morello
    cherry preserves?

    Quoted message said:

    Also, and this was totally my fault, the rice was over-cooked
    and that didn't help. ...

    I have to ask, did you use the real-deal Basmati? It's essential that this
    be the type of rice used - all Persian recipes pretty much rely on the
    particular taste and texture of Basmati for proper effect. Was it
    overcooked as in dry? Or as in soggy and sticky?

    Quoted message said:

    Besides being too
    sweet there was a funny funky flavor to the rice. It called
    for saffron and I just threw a bunch in. I'm wondering if
    that was the saffron flavor. I've never been able to taste
    saffron in the quantities that are normally used....

    Saffron's taste I would say is strongly watery. I know that must sound
    strange, but it literally tastes like water, hyper-concentrated. Some
    people call this taste "musty". I do know that it's a taste you either love
    or hate. By "a bunch", how much do you think it was? 1 oz? It's not
    necessary to resort to overkill.

    Quoted message said:

    Dessert was much better. The semolina cake was good but I
    wasn't thrilled with the texture. The cake is bake then cut
    into diamond shapes and soaked with a lemony sugar syrup.
    It tastes great, but I wondered if the semolina I used was
    slightly too coarse....

    Persian semolina is quite fine - generally much finer than the semolina you
    find in U.S. stores. Try looking for patent durum flour, which is very fine
    indeed - this may produce a better texture.

    --
    Alex Rast
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  14. Gal Called J.J. said:
    One time on Usenet said:
    Gal Called J.J. said:

    One time on Usenet, [email hidden] said:
    > Gal Called J.J. wrote:
    >> One time on Usenet, "Dave W."
    >> <[email hidden]> said:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>> Dave W. (wondering how many candles you tried to
    >>> blow out ... 29?)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> In RFC, we ladies are all 37 years old...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Ladies???!?! Didn't you mean to say *trollops*??

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    IIRC, the birthday thing applies even to those of us
    who're not considered a trollop...

    Quoted message said:

    My most mumble apologies m'Lady.

    Heh! No problem, Steve. Heck, I wouldn't mind being
    considered
    a trollop, but I've never been sure how one qualifies.
    The Trollop movement was already in full motion by the
    time I first started reading RFC back in '96 or '97 (I
    can never remember exactly)...

    I think you have to be voted in by the Cabal.

    BOB
    TINC

  15. Gal Called J.J. wrote:
    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:

    In RFC, we ladies are all 37 years old...


    And all we men are 39.... ain't it great?

    Scrooge, the younger

  16. "Kate Connally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dimitri wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <snip>

    Bummer!

    Next time let the others cook then you can sit and enjoy.

    Yeah, but, I'm a control freak. I almost always
    cook my own birthday dinner. Especially since I
    always want some exotic new dish that no one else
    know how to make. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    Happy Belated Birthday.

    Thanks,

    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally

    Exotic ?
    Pot roast when I was 20?
    I was about 12 when I tasted (devoured) my first Hostess Chocolate cupcake.

    Dimitri

  17. Alex Rast said:


    at Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:03:24 GMT in <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Kate Connally) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    Well, my birthday was this past Sat. and I cooked myself
    a birthday dinner and invited a couple of friends and
    relatives. The theme was Persian/Middle Eastern.

    First off the green lentil dip was completely
    blah....

    Persian food generally isn't like the typical Mediterranean cuisine - an
    explosion of flavours.

    I didn't mean "blah" in the sense of mild or "non-spicy".
    I meant "blah" in the sense of "it just didn't have a very
    interesting flavor". In spite of all the onion and garlic
    and orange and lime juice and angelica, it pretty much tasted
    like plain lentil puree which is not a flavor I find that
    interesting.

    Quoted message said:

    It's generally subtle and mild - some people might
    consider that "blah".

    No, I don't mind subtle and mild if the base flavor is
    a good one. But of the Persian dishes I've made I wouldn't
    call any of them subtle and mild except for the lentil
    dip and it was way too subtle and mild. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    If you were expecting Middle Eastern food as in
    Mediterranean,

    I don't know what you mean by Mediterranean but if you
    mean Italian, Greek, Spanish, etc. I'm thinking more of
    Middle Eastern. In my researches the same or similar
    dishes appear in many of the Middle Eastern countries
    From Turkey to Egypt and over to Iran and Iraq and
    Afghanistan. Many of the basic dishes are very similar.

    Quoted message said:

    then I could understand how you might have been
    disappointed. The dip looks fine to me. Did you use lime juice?

    The recipe called for Seville orange juice or substituting
    regular orange juice and some lime juice. I used the
    substitute.

    Quoted message said:

    Many
    Persian recipes call for it and without it the dish will always seem not-
    quite-right.

    Actually many Persian recipes I've seen call for dried limes but
    say you can substitute lime juice.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On to the main course. I was really looking forward
    to the Fesenjan. ...The trouble with the recipe is that
    you can't really taste the pomegranate juice! ...

    In Persian stores they generally have concentrated pomegranate syrup, which
    is probably what the recipe really needs. Is this what you got?

    No. I wanted to use fresh pomegranate juice. Yes one of the
    recipes called for the pomegranate molasses but I went by the
    other one that called for the juice. I also added extra juice
    but you still couldn't taste the pom. flavor. I have made this
    before with a different recipe and used juice and it was fine.

    Quoted message said:

    U.S.
    pomegranates are also often pretty insipid, usually because they're
    harvested long before they're ripe. So if you were using a U.S.
    pomegranate, it might not have worked out very well. The good domestic
    pomegranates are small (baseball-sized) and are very clearly hexagonal in
    shape, looking from the top (blossom end), as opposed to the big,
    spherical, softball-sized ones.

    I frequently use pomegranates and I think the ones I get
    here are perfectly fine as to flavor.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The sour cherry rice was also disappointing. I followed
    the recipe pretty closely and even tracked down the sour
    cherry preserves that are called for so it would be very
    authentic. But I didn't like it. There is way too much
    preserves for the amount of rice so the dish was too sweet.

    The recipe you have lists 3 cups sour cherry (Morello) preserves. For the 3
    cups rice, that does sound like overkill. In addition, did you get
    specifically Persian sour cherry preserve or did you use domestic Morello
    cherry preserves?

    Well, I couldn't get Persian ones but I got Turkish preserves.
    The are morello cherries and that's the kind of cherries that
    are used in Persian preserves. I'm sure they were very similar
    to the Persian preserves. And the other recipe called for
    *32 oz.* of preserved for 4 cups of rice. Which is 3 times
    the amount of preserves for just slightly more rice!!! I decided
    against going with that recipe as far as quantities went. I used
    2 5-oz. jars which looked to contain between 1 1/4 cups and 1 1/2
    cups each.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Also, and this was totally my fault, the rice was over-cooked
    and that didn't help. ...

    I have to ask, did you use the real-deal Basmati? It's essential that this
    be the type of rice used - all Persian recipes pretty much rely on the
    particular taste and texture of Basmati for proper effect. Was it
    overcooked as in dry? Or as in soggy and sticky?

    Soggy and sticky. And no, I didn't use basmati. I used Thai
    jasmine rice. There's no reason that shouldn't work perfectly
    well. It's very similar to basmati.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Besides being too
    sweet there was a funny funky flavor to the rice. It called
    for saffron and I just threw a bunch in. I'm wondering if
    that was the saffron flavor. I've never been able to taste
    saffron in the quantities that are normally used....

    Saffron's taste I would say is strongly watery. I know that must sound
    strange, but it literally tastes like water, hyper-concentrated. Some
    people call this taste "musty". I do know that it's a taste you either love
    or hate. By "a bunch", how much do you think it was? 1 oz? It's not
    necessary to resort to overkill.

    I really don't know how much. I didn't measure it. And it
    definitely was a musty taste so I don't think I'm going to
    bother with saffron anymore. If it need the color I'll use
    safflower or turmeric (if appropriate). No sense paying a
    small fortune for something I don't even like and usually
    can't even taste.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dessert was much better. The semolina cake was good but I
    wasn't thrilled with the texture. The cake is bake then cut
    into diamond shapes and soaked with a lemony sugar syrup.
    It tastes great, but I wondered if the semolina I used was
    slightly too coarse....

    Persian semolina is quite fine - generally much finer than the semolina you
    find in U.S. stores. Try looking for patent durum flour, which is very fine
    indeed - this may produce a better texture.

    Okay.

    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally
    “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
    Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.”
    What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
    [email hidden]

  18. at Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:56:40 GMT in <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Kate Connally) wrote :

    Quoted message said:
    Alex Rast said:


    at Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:03:24 GMT in <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Kate Connally) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    Well, my birthday was this past Sat. and I cooked myself
    a birthday dinner and invited a couple of friends and
    relatives. The theme was Persian/Middle Eastern.

    First off the green lentil dip was completely
    blah....

    Persian food generally isn't like the typical Mediterranean cuisine -
    an explosion of flavours.

    I didn't mean "blah" in the sense of mild or "non-spicy".
    I meant "blah" in the sense of "it just didn't have a very
    interesting flavor". In spite of all the onion and garlic
    and orange and lime juice and angelica, it pretty much tasted
    like plain lentil puree which is not a flavor I find that
    interesting.

    Yeah, I'd have expected it to taste mostly of lentil puree. I wasn't really
    meaning mild or non-spicy either, or to be exact, that wasn't all I was
    thinking about. What I meant is that the flavours don't really jump out at
    you and that ingredients other than the base ingredient often aren't going
    to be noticeable as a distinct flavour in the finished dish. It's a fine
    line between what I'm trying to say and "mild and non-spicy" - I'm doing a
    bad job trying to convey it. Hopefully what I've just said makes some
    sense.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's generally subtle and mild - some people might


    consider that "blah".

    No, I don't mind subtle and mild if the base flavor is
    a good one.

    I think I'd have stayed away from the lentil puree if I didn't find the
    taste of lentils that interesting. That's kind of what I was trying to hint
    at in saying it's subtle and mild - that you might add a bunch of stuff but
    it's not going to have a giant impact.

    Quoted message said:

    But of the Persian dishes I've made I wouldn't
    call any of them subtle and mild except for the lentil
    dip and it was way too subtle and mild. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    If you were expecting Middle Eastern food as in
    Mediterranean,

    I don't know what you mean by Mediterranean but if you
    mean Italian, Greek, Spanish, etc. I'm thinking more of
    Middle Eastern. In my researches the same or similar
    dishes appear in many of the Middle Eastern countries
    From Turkey to Egypt and over to Iran and Iraq and
    Afghanistan. Many of the basic dishes are very similar.

    Italian, Greek, etc. is one type of Mediterranean, but what I meant was
    Mediterranean Middle Eastern - e.g. Turkey and Egypt. There are a few
    common dishes across the lands once under the Caliphate but at least from
    my POV e.g. Turkish food is VERY different from Persian. The countries that
    border on the Mediterranean in the Middle East lean towards more assertive
    flavourings. As you proceed from west to east, there's a grading of
    cuisines - so the change isn't abrupt, but by the time you reach Iran the
    cuisine is markedly different from that of Turkey or Egypt. Afghan cuisine
    again I find to be very different from Persian. Oddly, or perhaps not so
    oddly considering the origins of the population, Afghan cuisine I think is
    a little more similar to Turkish cuisine than Persian is.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    then I could understand how you might have been
    disappointed. The dip looks fine to me. Did you use lime juice?

    The recipe called for Seville orange juice or substituting
    regular orange juice and some lime juice. I used the
    substitute.

    Which should have been OK.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Many
    Persian recipes call for it and without it the dish will always seem
    not- quite-right.

    Actually many Persian recipes I've seen call for dried limes but
    say you can substitute lime juice.

    There's another group of recipes that call for dried limes and you can
    substitute lime juice if you want, or in fact simply a fresh lime, but the
    flavour will be stronger and more assertive. Dried limes are a good example
    of a subtle flavouring.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On to the main course. I was really looking forward
    to the Fesenjan. ...The trouble with the recipe is that
    you can't really taste the pomegranate juice! ...

    In Persian stores they generally have concentrated pomegranate syrup,
    which is probably what the recipe really needs. Is this what you got?

    No. I wanted to use fresh pomegranate juice. Yes one of the
    recipes called for the pomegranate molasses but I went by the
    other one that called for the juice. I also added extra juice
    but you still couldn't taste the pom. flavor. I have made this
    before with a different recipe and used juice and it was fine.

    I suppose this is one reason why we need to have multiple recipes for one
    dish rather than having a Canonical Recipe for each dish. Every person's
    taste is different so better to choose the recipe that works for you. Was
    there a particular reason you decided to try the different recipe rather
    than the one you used before that was OK?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    U.S.
    pomegranates are also often pretty insipid...

    I frequently use pomegranates and I think the ones I get
    here are perfectly fine as to flavor.

    Do you usually get the small, hexagonal ones with the very deep red seeds?
    If so, then they're probably OK.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Also, and this was totally my fault, the rice was over-cooked
    and that didn't help. ...

    I have to ask, did you use the real-deal Basmati? It's essential that
    this be the type of rice used...

    Quoted message said:

    Soggy and sticky.

    Probably then not so much overcooked as using too much water.
    Unfortunately, I'm not the expert on rice cooking. But I've noticed that
    real Basmati is much more consistent in its cooking properties, when the
    desired effect is fluffy rice, than other rices.

    Quoted message said:

    And no, I didn't use basmati. I used Thai
    jasmine rice. There's no reason that shouldn't work perfectly
    well. It's very similar to basmati.

    In the sense of being like a typical long-grain rice jasmine might have
    been OK but really basmati is necessary for the right Persian flavour. My
    experience, too, is that no other rice cooks like it in terms of the
    fluffy, entirely-separate grain consistency. This is one of those
    ingredients for which there just isn't really a good substitute in spite of
    the fact that there are several similar products. These days, basmati isn't
    outrageously expensive. I can pick up a 10-lb sack from my local Persian
    store for $14.00.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Besides being too
    sweet there was a funny funky flavor to the rice. ...

    Saffron's taste I would say is strongly watery.... Some
    people call this taste "musty".

    I really don't know how much. I didn't measure it. And it
    definitely was a musty taste so I don't think I'm going to
    bother with saffron anymore. If it need the color I'll use
    safflower or turmeric (if appropriate). No sense paying a
    small fortune for something I don't even like and usually
    can't even taste.

    No kidding. I remember one friend of mine who, upon taking his first taste
    of a lentil soup flavoured with saffron, instantly gagged. I'd never
    thought before that that some people would really be turned off by its
    flavour - after all, it's pretty mild to begin with (as you noted). After
    that I started to notice more that there are a group who just really hate
    the taste. It may be one of those things like cilantro or green peppers,
    that contain a compound that some people taste one way, and others a
    different way, which really is unpleasant.

    --
    Alex Rast
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