Boston report: 12th American

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Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me? 😉

we were tracking you online, buddy. not to mention, big
brother was watching you. ;-)

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I had a horrible preparation period for Boston. The over-
training from last fall never really cleared my legs, so
I couldn't get over 90 mpw.

how's your hematocrit problem now? is it back to normal?

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I'm pop 2-3 good workouts and be careful to recover, yet
my legs would go to [censored] and it would be two weeks
before I could run well again. With my wedding coming up
only 3 weeks after Boston, the stress of planning it
really affected my training. Deadlines for my graduate
program came one after the other, and I had to fly to
California (from Michigan) for two days only the week
before the race. To top it off, we buried both of my
grandfathers and another relative in the four months
leading up to the race.

life 🙁

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Then that weather. I scrapped my plans to try for 2:28
immedialy and went out
at 5:50 pace for the first 14 miles and still felt like
hell. I slowed to 6:10 or
so to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted the
last mile in 5:50 again.

online, i saw your projected finish drop from 2:31 to
2:33 to ....

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Elites were dropping all around me, it was a tough day. It
never felt like a race to me, just a long, dreadful
training run. However my conservative pace gave me

yup, it was pretty hot, from what i read. when it started,
the website said something like: ".... (something about the)
heat... leaders have gotten off to a slow start.. covering
the first mile in 5:02.."

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a good finishing place; 34th male and 12the American. At
least I can take that

congrats. nice effort. i noticed you were 44th overall.

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home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
because I was the only one there that looked up to talking
(Channel 5 Boston).

that must've been cool, eh?

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Now I'm going to take a month or more completely off to
reset everything and hopefully get back to where I was
last year. Oh yeah, and get hitched. Andy Hass

was a boston finish a part of the pre-nup agreement?

congrats once again and enjoy your break.

regards jobs

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Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me? 😉

haha, I did - your training week is generally the first one
I like to look at, when you are posting them. 😉

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Now I'm going to take a month or more completely off to
reset

everything and

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hopefully get back to where I was last year. Oh yeah, and
get hitched.

I wish you the best. Are you considering running
Chicago again?

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

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Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me? 😉

We all missed ya!!

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Then that weather. I scrapped my plans to try for 2:28
immedialy and went out at 5:50 pace for the first 14
miles and still felt like hell. I slowed to 6:10 or so
to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted the
last mile in 5:50 again. Elites were dropping all
around me, it was a tough day. It never felt like a
race to me, just a long, dreadful training run. However
my conservative pace gave me a good finishing place;
34th male and 12the American. At least I can take that
home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
because I was the only one there that looked up to
talking (Channel 5 Boston).

You made the right choice for the day and for your training.
A 2:38 is a damn fine run even if you felt like [censored]. 😉

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Now I'm going to take a month or more completely off to
reset everything and hopefully get back to where I was
last year. Oh yeah, and get hitched.

Oh boy, drum roll!! Let's see, getting married and get back
to where you were last year? Have I got a bridge to sell
you. Saying "I do" means "you're done". I'm going on 36
years of marital bliss and still waiting for that to happen.
This is the fourth biggest
lie. 😉

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I – I took the one less
traveled by, And that has made all the difference."

You're taking the path most traveled. Good luck!!! 😉

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

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Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me? 😉

We sure did! We've been wondering where you were - other
than Monday 😉

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Deadlines for my graduate program came one after the other,
and I had to fly to California (from Michigan) for two days
only the week before the race.

Does this mean you're close to finishing? And then a
lifetime of unending deadlines 😉

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Then that weather. I scrapped my plans to try for 2:28
immedialy and went out at 5:50 pace for the first 14
miles and still felt like hell. I slowed to 6:10 or so
to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted the
last mile in 5:50 again. Elites were dropping all
around me, it was a tough day. It never felt like a
race to me, just a long, dreadful training run. However
my conservative pace gave me a good finishing place;
34th male and 12the American. At least I can take that
home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
because I was the only one there that looked up to
talking (Channel 5 Boston).

Congratulations, Andy! Great way to adapt your strategy.
Excellent showing, esp. for the conditions.

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Now I'm going to take a month or more completely off to
reset everything and hopefully get back to where I was
last year. Oh yeah, and get hitched.

Just a thought: 3 wks to wedding. "month or more completely
off" means only 1 wk for honeymoon or whatever. Maybe a
little more thought to the "or more" aspect of time off 🙂
unless the first runs are with your bride and puppy (iirc,
you got a pup in the fall).

Good luck and rest up!

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd
Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

Good to hear from you again
Well done
J
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Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me? 😉 I
had a horrible preparation period for Boston. The over-
training from last fall never really cleared my legs, so
I couldn't get over 90 mpw. I'm pop 2-3 good workouts
and be careful to recover, yet my legs would go

to

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[censored] and it would be two weeks before I could run well
again. With my

wedding

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coming up only 3 weeks after Boston, the stress of
planning it really

affected

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my training. Deadlines for my graduate program came one
after the other,

and

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I had to fly to California (from Michigan) for two days
only the week

before the

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race. To top it off, we buried both of my grandfathers
and another

relative in the

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four months leading up to the race. Then that weather. I
scrapped my plans to try for 2:28 immedialy and

went out

Quoted message said:

at 5:50 pace for the first 14 miles and still felt like
hell. I slowed to

6:10 or

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so to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted the
last mile in

7:50 again.

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Elites were dropping all around me, it was a tough day. It
never felt

like a race to

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me, just a long, dreadful training run. However my
conservative pace gave

me

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a good finishing place; 34th male and 12the American. At
least I can take

that

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home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
because I was the

only one

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there that looked up to talking (Channel 5 Boston). Now
I'm going to take a month or more completely off to reset

everything and

Quoted message said:

hopefully get back to where I was last year. Oh yeah, and
get hitched. Andy Hass

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Then that weather. I scrapped my plans to try for 2:28
immedialy and went out
at 5:50 pace for the first 14 miles and still felt like
hell. I slowed to 6:10 or
so to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted the
last mile in 5:50 again.

Smart run on a tough day.

One of the elite runners, Andrew Letherby, an Aussie based
in the States has a PR of around 2:12, and was in the shape
of his life, and hoping to break 2:12 and qualify for the
Aussie Olympic team. He ended up with a 2:19.

Congrats on the upcoming wedding!

Anthony.

You're still recovering from your training for Chicago last
Fall? Sorry Andy, but that's hard to believe. I understand
you have a lot going on, but enough excuses already. You
obviously got some talent, so after your wedding, buckle
down and get it done!

-Steve

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Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me? 😉 I
had a horrible preparation period for Boston. The over-
training from last fall never really cleared my legs, so
I couldn't get over 90 mpw. I'm pop 2-3 good workouts
and be careful to recover, yet my legs would go

to

Quoted message said:

[censored] and it would be two weeks before I could run well
again. With my

wedding

Quoted message said:

coming up only 3 weeks after Boston, the stress of
planning it really

affected

Quoted message said:

my training. Deadlines for my graduate program came one
after the other,

and

Quoted message said:

I had to fly to California (from Michigan) for two days
only the week

before the

Quoted message said:

race. To top it off, we buried both of my grandfathers
and another

relative in the

Quoted message said:

four months leading up to the race. Then that weather. I
scrapped my plans to try for 2:28 immedialy and

went out

Quoted message said:

at 5:50 pace for the first 14 miles and still felt like
hell. I slowed to

6:10 or

Quoted message said:

so to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted the
last mile in

7:50 again.

Quoted message said:

Elites were dropping all around me, it was a tough day. It
never felt

like a race to

Quoted message said:

me, just a long, dreadful training run. However my
conservative pace gave

me

Quoted message said:

a good finishing place; 34th male and 12the American. At
least I can take

that

Quoted message said:

home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
because I was the

only one

Quoted message said:

there that looked up to talking (Channel 5 Boston). Now
I'm going to take a month or more completely off to reset

everything and

Quoted message said:

hopefully get back to where I was last year. Oh yeah, and
get hitched. Andy Hass

Hey Andy,

congratulations awesome achievment considering the
brutal heat!!!

It was my first Boston, was planning 2:45. During the first
hour I was okay passing 10m in 59 minutes well on track, but
then the heat really kicked in. After half way in 1:22
decided to jog home, didn't want to find myself in the
medical tent and finished in a PW 3:16.

Later on checked at the finish and it looked like a war
zone. Runners carrying each other over the finish line,
runners coming in totally exhausted close to a
collapse. Never seen so many walking during the last
10k of a marathon.

Well done! U

Andy Hass said:

Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me? 😉

I did miss you. I was afraid that you just left, like Troy.
A couple of us followed your progress online.

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I had a horrible preparation period for Boston. The over-
training from last fall never really cleared my legs, so
I couldn't get over 90 mpw. I'm pop 2-3 good workouts and
be careful to recover, yet my legs would go to [censored] and
it would be two weeks before I could run well again.

I was wondering about this. It seemed to me that the time
you took off after Chicago was ok for a case of simple
overreaching, but full-blown overtraining needs something
more like 1-3 months off. I wonder if the physiology
department at Ball State (Dr. Davic Costill's place) might
be able to help you here.

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With my wedding coming up only 3 weeks after Boston, the
stress of planning it really affected my training.
Deadlines for my graduate program came one after the other,
and I had to fly to California (from Michigan) for two days
only the week before the race. To top it off, we buried
both of my grandfathers and another relative in the four
months leading up to the race. Then that weather. I
scrapped my plans to try for 2:28 immedialy and went out at
5:50 pace for the first 14 miles and still felt like hell.
I slowed to
6:10 or so to make sure I made it over the hills, then
busted the last mile in 5:50 again. Elites were dropping
all around me, it was a tough day. It never felt like a
race to me, just a long, dreadful training run. However
my conservative pace gave me a good finishing place;
34th male and 12the American. At least I can take that
home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
because I was the only one there that looked up to
talking (Channel 5 Boston). Now I'm going to take a
month or more completely off to reset everything and
hopefully get back to where I was last year. Oh yeah,
and get hitched. Andy Hass

I agree with Dot that you're probably looking at a "little"
more than a month off. "Life" counts a training load, and
the more life, the less training. And vice versa.

Hope you make it back in time for Chicago.

Lyndon

"Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US
Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

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Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me? 😉

We all missed ya!!

Quoted message said:

Then that weather. I scrapped my plans to try for
2:28 immedialy and

went out

Quoted message said:

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at 5:50 pace for the first 14 miles and still felt like
hell. I slowed

to 6:10 or

Quoted message said:

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so to make sure I made it over the hills, then busted
the last mile in

5:50 again.

Quoted message said:

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Elites were dropping all around me, it was a tough day.
It never felt

like a race to

Quoted message said:

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me, just a long, dreadful training run. However my
conservative pace

gave me

Quoted message said:

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a good finishing place; 34th male and 12the American. At
least I can

take that

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home. I even got interviewed when I finished, probably
because I was

the only one

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there that looked up to talking (Channel 5 Boston).

You made the right choice for the day and for your
training. A 2:38 is a damn fine run even if you felt like
[censored]. 😉

Yes my wife went out like she was going to still be able to
3:10 and was thinking about dropping out by mile 5. I was
just glad to get across the line. It wasn't a case of if I
was going to cramp, it was how long before they started. The
answer was 30k. So for the last 7 to 8 miles I ran until the
cramps wouldn't allow me to, walked as fast as I could,
started running again, repeated until Copley Plaza. It's
very frustrating when you're not bonking but just aren't
able to run. I won't try this again unless I qualify with
3:15 or less and am in the same shape on race day. It may
never happen but at least I did it.

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Now I'm going to take a month or more completely off
to reset

everything and

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hopefully get back to where I was last year. Oh yeah,
and get hitched.

Oh boy, drum roll!! Let's see, getting married and get
back to where you were last year? Have I got a bridge to
sell you. Saying "I do" means "you're done". I'm going on
36 years of marital bliss and still waiting for that to
happen. This is the fourth biggest
lie. 😉

There was an interesting twist for me. I found that I got
into really good shape when my wife was pregnant. Probably
the result of having more time on my hands. Once the
children arrive though, it's a whole new ballgame,
especially if your wife to be is a runner also. I ran my
first Marathon when my wife was expecting our second child
and she thought I was out of my mind. Now she wants to
break 3 hours!

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"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one
less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."

You're taking the path most traveled. Good luck!!! 😉

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

Dot said:

Good luck and rest up!

He needs to rest up for the honeymoon!!! 😉

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

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how's your hematocrit problem now? is it back to normal?

---I haven't had it checked but I've been on iron for a
couple months. Like I described, I still can't train hard.
Probably a combination of stress and not taking enough down
time. I'm taking the down time now and as of next weekend
most of my stress will be gone. Hopefully I can resume hard
training mid-May.

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was a boston finish a part of the pre-nup agreement?

---She was worried I'd push myself too hard in the heat,
which was part of the reason I took it easier. She was at
16.8 miles and I turned around to tell her "2:40-2:50" so
she knew when to look for my finish...she thought for a
moment I was going to drop out like I did at Chicago last
fall. Yes, she would have been IRATE if I had not finished!

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congrats once again and enjoy your break.

Thanks!

SwStudio said:

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Geez, I'm gone for 2 months and nobody misses me? 😉

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haha, I did - your training week is generally the first
one I like to look at, when you are posting them. 😉

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Now I'm going to take a month or more completely off
to reset

everything and

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hopefully get back to where I was last year. Oh yeah, and
get hitched.

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I wish you the best. Are you considering running
Chicago again?

--No Chicago this year. My overall plan is to move back down
and do a lot of the events I have been neglecting in favor
of marathoning. I really miss fall cross country and outdoor
track. So I will be trying to bust some fast 5k-10k times
over the next year (want to get sub-15 and 31:10 or so).
Then, maybe late next year, I'll seriously run another
marathon to prepare for the next Trials qualifying window
that will open in late 2006. If I'm in great shape this
fall, I MIGHT jump into Detroit since it's local, and go for
a PR which would not be very hard at that point. Andy

Doug Freese said:

Oh boy, drum roll!! Let's see, getting married and get
back to where you were last year? Have I got a bridge to
sell you. Saying "I do" means "you're done". I'm going on
36 years of marital bliss and still waiting for that to
happen. This is the fourth biggest
lie. 😉

I know, I know Doug. Thing is not a lot is going to change
for us in the next year or two. Until I get out of school or
she gets pregnant, it will pretty much be the status quo.
Besides, she is extremely supportive of my running and even
told me she can't wait until I start training again. I guess
I'm not as restless and such when I'm training. We'll see.
I'm pretty driven to still train though. Andy

Dot dot.h@#att.net said:

Does this mean you're close to finishing? And then a
lifetime of unending deadlines 😉

---No, unfortunately. To finish the PhD is about another 1.5-
2 years. But I am unhappy with the job opportunities I am
facing and have an application into the UofM MBA program for
this fall. If I get accepted I'll opt out with an MS and
switch...my finishing date will be about the same, my stress
much less, and my employment opportunities MUCH better.

SB said:

You're still recovering from your training for Chicago
last Fall? Sorry Andy, but that's hard to believe. I
understand you have a lot going on, but enough excuses
already. You obviously got some talent, so after your
wedding, buckle down and get it done!

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-Steve

Hey man, I used to eat 100 mile weeks for breakfast! 😉 Now
I can't even run one and be able to jog at the end. It's
not for lack of trying, there is some residual problems in
the legs. Look at Salazar and Beardsley. Ran an impressive
year or two of races, continued to increase their training
loads, then all of a sudden lacked the ability to perform
despite the training. over-training can have long-lasting
effects. Andy Hass

Lyndon said:

Lyndon

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"Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US
Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

Thanks Lyndon. No Chicago, but I will be back. yes, life is
a load just like training. However I will soon have much of
the load (wedding preps) gone, and a lot of the stress that
I was under last fall is already gone. If I switch graduate
programs I'll be very low stress! I deal with normal loads
and training very well, it's just a matter of getting
through a bad period here. Andy Hass

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He needs to rest up for the honeymoon!!! 😉

Why? Are you going to wear him out on your honeymoon Doug?
What state are you in? Gay marriage is still illegal here.

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how's your hematocrit problem now? is it back to normal?

---I haven't had it checked but I've been on iron for a
couple months. Like I described, I still can't train hard.
Probably a combination of stress and not taking enough
down time. I'm taking the down time now and as of next
weekend most of my stress will be gone. Hopefully I can
resume hard training mid-May.

BTW, did you read about Tracey Morris, first british woman
in the London marathon in 2:33? Not bad for a 36 yr old
reputedly running no more than 70 miles a week!

Perhaps it time to review your 100mile/wk stratagy?

Tim

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