Boston?

"Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yeah I know what I said, but I'm thinking about it.
I do have some reasons to think it's not too irrational of me though.
Maybe it's just the great runnig weather that's providing motivation
or the wish to get out of the house, my wife with the sprained ankle
and fratured fibula isn't exactly a bundle of laughs these days.

Are you getting out the door for the weather and the joy of running or
self-defense. 😉

Anyway I understand the lure of this weather. We did 19 miles yesterday
with about 3,500 of up and down over 3.5 hours. When we finished we sat
in the parking lot in the sun drinking beer when we usually make a bee
line to eat. We did both but worked on our tan first.

I ran into the local village which was downhill, coming back up was not
fun. So much for total enjoyment in the sun.

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3. I can start the Hanson's marathon schedule from week 10 based in
this.
I'm surprised that there has been no discussion of their
controversial claim that you can run a Marathon with the longest
training runs being 16 miles. There's an article about it in the
March issue of Running Times.

I don't read RT or RW.

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I'd be interested in hearing from
anyone hwo has tried it. There are a number of posts on their
message board from individuals who have been successful using it.
I think I know where Mr. Freese will stand on this one 🙂

One can finish a marathon on long runs of 6 miles. This does not mean
you will be at your best but can get to the finish unless there is a
very tight time limit. The discussion gets to be fun when the topic
turns to - what is the optimal length of the long run. Rhetorical.

In your case I see no problem other than the potential for re-injury.
Your down time hasn't been a long time so you are not back to zero.
There is residual strength and experience that will get you across the
line. If you plan to run 3:0n, picture my head shaking violently, NFW.
🙂

You for the most part seem reasonable and I'm sure you will set a
reasonable goal. Go softly and have fun!!!

-DougF

"Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Are you getting out the door for the weather and the joy of running or
self-defense. 😉

Both, but I'm not giving her any reason to complain, I'm being the perfect
Mr. Mom and Mr. Dad and housekeeper.
This is perfect weather, three days in a row in shorts.

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Anyway I understand the lure of this weather. We did 19 miles yesterday
with about 3,500 of up and down over 3.5 hours. When we finished we sat in
the parking lot in the sun drinking beer when we usually make a bee line
to eat. We did both but worked on our tan first.

I ran into the local village which was downhill, coming back up was not
fun. So much for total enjoyment in the sun.

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3. I can start the Hanson's marathon schedule from week 10 based in this.
I'm surprised that there has been no discussion of their controversial
claim that you can run a Marathon with the longest
training runs being 16 miles. There's an article about it in the March
issue of Running Times.

I don't read RT or RW.

Nancy subscribed to it, it's certainly better than RW.
I'm surprised she didn't subscribe to New England Runner since they listed
her as one of the top Masters going to Boston last year.

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I'd be interested in hearing from
anyone hwo has tried it. There are a number of posts on their message
board from individuals who have been successful using it.
I think I know where Mr. Freese will stand on this one 🙂

One can finish a marathon on long runs of 6 miles. This does not mean you
will be at your best but can get to the finish unless there is a very
tight time limit. The discussion gets to be fun when the topic turns to -
what is the optimal length of the long run. Rhetorical.

They are arguing that it can be optimal in the context of their program for
soemone like me.
There was also a statement that European programs top out at 30k.
I may be an experiment of one. I also intend to add some biking if the
weather cooperates.

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In your case I see no problem other than the potential for re-injury. Your
down time hasn't been a long time so you are not back to zero. There is
residual strength and experience that will get you across the line. If you
plan to run 3:0n, picture my head shaking violently, NFW. 🙂

No, I don't think 3:0n is a possibility for me anyway, certainly not in
Boston.
I would be thinking more like 3:45 if I did it.

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You for the most part seem reasonable and I'm sure you will set a
reasonable goal. Go softly and have fun!!!

The big problem is how do I tell the wife of my plans without getting
injured!

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-DougF

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'm surprised that there has been no discussion of their controversial

claim that you can run a Marathon with the longest
training runs being 16 miles. There's an article about it in the
March
issue of Running Times. I'd be interested in hearing from
anyone hwo has tried it.
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i ran the nyc marathon the last 2 years with no lsd training at all and
only 1 18 mile race 2 months prior. the "feat" is a non-issue, of
course you can. however it's not about accomplishing the feat
imo....it's about having an optimum performance if not a pr. in this
context imo "no". you're not going to have an optimum performance.

the article? you an find a guru or "expert" in any field to assert
anything. there is no shortage of conflicting wisdom & lore out
there...

Parker Race said:

3. I can start the Hanson's marathon schedule from week 10 based in this.
I'm surprised that there has been no discussion of their controversial
claim that you can run a Marathon with the longest
training runs being 16 miles.

Not here, but plenty of discussion elsewhere. Of course it offended a lot of
the "old school" types.

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There's an article about it in the March
issue of Running Times. I'd be interested in hearing from
anyone hwo has tried it.

A bunch of very positive people posted about it on letsrun. No bitter and
negative types, which is a good sign.

I think people who see it as a marathon training program without the long runs
is missing the point -- the point is that the speed work for this program is
highly marathon specific, and the volume of it is greater (but lower
intensity).

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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i ran the nyc marathon the last 2 years with no lsd training at all and
only 1 18 mile race 2 months prior. the "feat" is a non-issue, of
course you can. however it's not about accomplishing the feat
imo....it's about having an optimum performance if not a pr. in this
context imo "no". you're not going to have an optimum performance.

Read the article. The point is that towards the end, their program has three
demanding workouts a week, not one. My recollection is that one of them is a
marathon paced run, the other is "strength" (long intervals, 6 miles at
goal marathon pace). They do a lot of marathon-paced work, which is the key.

If you want optimal, you simply don't want to have to choose between keeping
the long run under 25% weekly milage and doing more than 20 on the long run.
If you want "optimal", you had better be prepared to run reasonable milage.

BTW, your 2003 marathon time was quite respectable considering your HM times,
the heat, and your um, unconventional pacing strategy. A bit more milage (with
or without a lot of long runs), and a bit more experience would go a long way
towards bringing that time towards the 3:10 mark. With your background, you
should be able to build up to 60 or so over a couple of months.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

I don't know, I find it hard to believe the guyts out at Hanson's
aren't doing long runs, especially since most of them probably ran 20+
training for the 10k in college. I am not sure I belive the article...

hansmatt said:

I don't know, I find it hard to believe the guyts out at Hanson's
aren't doing long runs,

Did you read the article ? It doesn't say that they aren't doing long runs.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/