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  1. From Hansard:

    "28 Nov 2006 : Column 1050

    Petitions
    Cycle Helmets
    8.29 pm
    Mr. Peter Bone (Wellingborough) (Con): I wish to present to the House of
    Commons a public petition from the people of Wellingborough and surrounding
    areas. The Wellingborough and Rushden Herald and Post, the excellent weekly
    newspaper for Wellingborough and Rushden, always stands up for the local
    community and campaigns on important issues. It has recently been
    highlighting the number of children injured while riding their bikes. The
    petition has developed out of that outstanding campaign.

    The petition declares:

    Although the Highway Code states that under the rules for cyclists 'you
    should wear a cycling helmet which conforms to current regulations', it is
    not compulsory. Last year 5691 children were injured whilst cycling. Of
    these 28 were killed.

    The Petitioners therefore request that the House of Commons charges the
    Secretary of State for Transport to bring in proposals to make it compulsory
    for children to wear a cycle helmet when riding their bikes.

    To lie upon the Table.

    Public Toilets (Thundersley)"

    --
    regards

    Richard Burton

  2. burtthebike said:

    From Hansard:

    The petition declares:

    Although the Highway Code states that under the rules for cyclists 'you
    should wear a cycling helmet which conforms to current regulations', it is
    not compulsory. Last year 5691 children were injured whilst cycling. Of
    these 28 were killed.

    Quoted message said:

    From your other post, did he not write in his constituency mag that 31


    children died last year? Which is it, Mr Bone? 28 or 31?

    David Lloyd

  3. David Lloyd said:
    burtthebike said:

    From Hansard:

    The petition declares:

    Although the Highway Code states that under the rules for cyclists 'you
    should wear a cycling helmet which conforms to current regulations', it is
    not compulsory. Last year 5691 children were injured whilst cycling. Of
    these 28 were killed.

    Quoted message said:

    From your other post, did he not write in his constituency mag that 31


    children died last year? Which is it, Mr Bone? 28 or 31?

    Do keep up at the back! It's actually "over 50", because of under
    reporting (of deaths!). Or at least it's over 50 according to a
    publication from one "A. Lee"...

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  4. David Lloyd said:
    burtthebike said:

    From Hansard:

    The petition declares:

    Although the Highway Code states that under the rules for cyclists 'you
    should wear a cycling helmet which conforms to current regulations', it is
    not compulsory. Last year 5691 children were injured whilst cycling. Of
    these 28 were killed.

    Quoted message said:

    From your other post, did he not write in his constituency mag that 31


    children died last year? Which is it, Mr Bone? 28 or 31?

    David Lloyd


    Either way. Does anybody know what proportion of those were wearing a
    helmet?

    Andrew

  5. David Lloyd said:
    burtthebike said:

    From Hansard:

    From Hansard:

    "28 Nov 2006 : Column 1050

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The petition declares:

    Although the Highway Code states that under the rules for cyclists 'you
    should wear a cycling helmet which conforms to current regulations', it is
    not compulsory. Last year 5691 children were injured whilst cycling. Of
    these 28 were killed.

    Quoted message said:

    From your other post, did he not write in his constituency mag that 31


    children died last year? Which is it, Mr Bone? 28 or 31?

    The petition above refers to the 2005 data. (i.e. 28 in 2005)

    This year Mr Bone uses a figure of 20 for 2005, and 31 for 2006, giving
    a 55% rise.
    Using 28% and 31% gives a 10% rise, bad as it is, it is still within the
    statistical error.

    This guy is clearly making it up as he goes along, and misleading his
    fellow MPs. Are MPs really allow to lie like this to each other?

    Martin.

  6. Martin Dann said:
    David Lloyd said:
    burtthebike said:

    From Hansard:

    From Hansard:

    "28 Nov 2006 : Column 1050

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The petition declares:

    Although the Highway Code states that under the rules for cyclists 'you
    should wear a cycling helmet which conforms to current regulations',
    it is
    not compulsory. Last year 5691 children were injured whilst cycling. Of
    these 28 were killed.

    Quoted message said:

    From your other post, did he not write in his constituency mag that 31


    children died last year? Which is it, Mr Bone? 28 or 31?

    The petition above refers to the 2005 data. (i.e. 28 in 2005)

    This year Mr Bone uses a figure of 20 for 2005, and 31 for 2006, giving
    a 55% rise.
    Using 28% and 31% gives a 10% rise, bad as it is, it is still within the
    statistical error.

    This guy is clearly making it up as he goes along, and misleading his
    fellow MPs. Are MPs really allow to lie like this to each other?


    Of course; no-one can be sued for statements made in parliament.

  7. Esra Sdrawkcab said:
    Martin Dann said:
    David Lloyd said:

    On 17 Oct, 07:27, "burtthebike" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > From Hansard:

    From Hansard:

    "28 Nov 2006 : Column 1050

    Quoted message said:

    > The petition declares:
    >
    > Although the Highway Code states that under the rules for cyclists 'you
    > should wear a cycling helmet which conforms to current regulations',
    > it is
    > not compulsory. Last year 5691 children were injured whilst cycling. Of
    > these 28 were killed.
    >

    > From your other post, did he not write in his constituency mag that 31
    children died last year? Which is it, Mr Bone? 28 or 31?

    The petition above refers to the 2005 data. (i.e. 28 in 2005)

    This year Mr Bone uses a figure of 20 for 2005, and 31 for 2006,
    giving a 55% rise.
    Using 28% and 31% gives a 10% rise, bad as it is, it is still within
    the statistical error.

    This guy is clearly making it up as he goes along, and misleading his
    fellow MPs. Are MPs really allow to lie like this to each other?


    Of course; no-one can be sued for statements made in parliament.

    But I can think of at least one minister who has been forced to resign
    because he lied to parliament.

  8. Martin Dann said:

    The petition above refers to the 2005 data. (i.e. 28 in 2005)

    This year Mr Bone uses a figure of 20 for 2005, and 31 for 2006, giving
    a 55% rise.
    Using 28% and 31% gives a 10% rise, bad as it is, it is still within the
    statistical error.

    In his petition in 2006, he uses a figure of 28 kiddies for 2005, this
    is for the age range of 0-19 years. In his stats yesterday he uses the
    age range of 0-15 years where there were 20 killed in 2005.
    In 2006 there were 31 killed in the age range of 0-15, and 35 killed in
    the 0-19 year age range. [2]

    The 1994-1998 average for these two figures is 43 and 55, a drop in the
    numbers killed.

    The number of KSIs were
    0-15 0-19
    2006 503 , 690
    2005 527 , 701
    94-98 1129, 1491

    There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics

    [1]
    http://www.dft.gov.uk/162259/162469/221412/221549/227755/roadcasualtiesgreatbritain2005a
    [2] http://www.dft.gov.uk/162259/162469/221412/221549/227755/rcgb2006v1.pdf

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