Bone Disease

who had the least, and what do they eat/drink?

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From: "Robert Cohen" <notmilk@...>
Date: Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:09 pm
Subject: High Bone Disease Rates---Where & Why?

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Who Has the Highest Rates of Bone Disease, and Why?

"Countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis,
such as the United States, England, and Sweden,
consume the most milk."

Nutrition Action Healthletter, June, 1993

"Dietary protein increases production of acid in the
blood which can be neutralized by calcium mobilized
from the skeleton."

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1995; 61 (4)

"Even when eating 1,400 mg of calcium daily, one can
lose up to 4% of his or her bone mass each year while
consuming a high-protein diet."

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1979;32(4)

"Those populations with the highest calcium intakes had
higher fracture rates than those with more modest calcium
intakes."

California Tissue International 1992;50

"Women consuming greater amounts of calcium from dairy
foods had significantly increased risks of hip fractures."

12-year Harvard study of 78,000 women
American Journal of Public Health 1997;87

"Consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20

years,

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were associated with an increased risk of hip fractures...
metabolism of dietary protein causes increased urinary
excretion of calcium."

American Journal of Epidemiology 1994;139

Robert Cohen
http://www.notmilk.com

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: Who Has the Highest Rates of Bone Disease, and Why?
:
: "Countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis,
: such as the United States, England, and Sweden,
: consume the most milk."
: [...]
:
: Robert Cohen
: http://www.notmilk.com

But vegan diet does not help:

Research presentations
Tuesday, March 25, 1997

Bone Mineral Status in Vegan, Lacto-ovo Vegetarian and Omnivorous
Pre-Menopausal Women. Patricia Johnston.

The relationship of bone mineral density (BMD) and diet continues to be
investigated. Evidence suggests a positive relationship with calcium, with
protein, particularly from animal sources, appears to be negatively related.
Vegetarian populations are of interest because they have lower animal
protein intake; however, depending on food choices, their calcium intake may
vary considerably. Previous studies of vegetarians primarily investigated
lacto-ovo vegetarians and most frequently those in the post-menopausal
years. We report BMD results from a study of 50 pre-menopausal women,
divided among vegan (n=17), lacto-ovo vegetarians (n=18), and omnivorous
(n=15) subjects. Vegetarians had followed their respective diets for at
least four years. All subjects were within 20% of ideal body weight, had
regular menstrual cycles, engaged in <5hrs/wk of aerobic or strength
building exercise, did not consume calcium supplements or take any
medications known to affect bone metabolism, including oral contraceptives.
The three groups did not differ with respect to age, height, weight and BMI.
Percent of expected *BMD* of the spine as determined by quantitative
computed tomography (QCT) *was significantly less in vegans* (mean±SE) (88 ±
2.7%) compared to LOV (107 ± 3.7%, p<.001) or omnivores (101 ±4.9%, p<.05),
but not different between LOV and omnivores.

http://www.llu.edu/llu/nutrition/program/research2.htm

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Juhana

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"Countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis,
such as the United States, England, and Sweden,
consume the most milk."

Nutrition Action Healthletter, June, 1993

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"Even when eating 1,400 mg of calcium daily, one can
lose up to 4% of his or her bone mass each year while
consuming a high-protein diet."

At the rate of 4% each year in 10 yrs one is just reduced to
a state unfit to stand / sit . I think there is something wrong .
I think the bone density in US is very good , women mostly
loose bone mass after menopause .

Kam

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Robert Cohen
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from now on i dare not drink milk!!!

from now on i dare not drink milk!!!

It is probably all the antibiotics they live on that reduces the bone
fractures.

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3: J Am Diet Assoc. 2004 Feb;104(2):250-3.
Children who avoid drinking cow's milk are at increased risk for
prepubertal bone fractures.

SBH

Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:

: There is modest epidemiological evidence that milk
: is good for people who can tolerate it, with the possible exception
: of men at risk for prostate cancer.

The problem in Western countries is: Who is not at risk?

There is also a vast difference between milk and fermented dairy products.
They have a different effect on health as fermentation predigests lactose
and milk protein. Yoghurt also contains beneficial bacteria which improves
colon bacteria and immunity.

Br J Nutr. 2005 Jun;93(6):783-6.
Should yoghurt cultures be considered probiotic?
Guarner F, Perdigon G, Corthier G, Salminen S, Koletzko B, Morelli L.
Digestive System Research Unit, University Hospital Vall d'Hebron,
Barcelona, Spain.

Probiotics are live micro-organisms that when administered in adequate
amounts confer a health benefit on the host. Consumption of yoghurt has been
shown to induce measurable health benefits linked to the presence of live
bacteria. A number of human studies have clearly demonstrated that yoghurt
containing viable bacteria (Streptococcus thermophilus and Lactobacillus
delbrueckii sp. bulgaricus) improves lactose digestion and eliminates
symptoms of lactose intolerance. Thus, these cultures clearly fulfil the
current concept of probiotics. PMID: 16022746

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Juhana

Pizza Girl. said:

You're not the only one laughing at this clown when it comes to milk shills.
Evidence is on everybody's lips and yet as a trained doctor with no patients
he still supports his family's business.

COMMENT:

I've got lots of patients. My family is a family of teachers, and has
never had anything to do with the dairy business.

You are an ignorant flake. And worse, a paranoid one as well. Ignorance
can be cured, but for paranoia it takes drugs that you won't like.

SBH

Juhana Harju said:

Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:

: There is modest epidemiological evidence that milk
: is good for people who can tolerate it, with the possible exception
: of men at risk for prostate cancer.

The problem in Western countries is: Who is not at risk?

Children, boys, women. Men without prostates. Men with no family
history of prostate problems. Men who get regular prostate exams and
have no urinary symptoms. Add it all up, and it's a lot of milk
drinkers.

SBH

Red wine is the answer to all these problems, it helps with heart
diseases, do not harm bones (if you don't fall due to drunkness) and
tastes much better than milk.
Try argentine Malbec, or chilean Cabernet Sauvignon and live healthly a
hundred years at least.

Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com ha escrito:

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Juhana Harju said:

Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:

: There is modest epidemiological evidence that milk
: is good for people who can tolerate it, with the possible exception
: of men at risk for prostate cancer.

The problem in Western countries is: Who is not at risk?

Children, boys, women. Men without prostates. Men with no family
history of prostate problems. Men who get regular prostate exams and
have no urinary symptoms. Add it all up, and it's a lot of milk
drinkers.

SBH

Your spelling sucks. "Patience"

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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:
: Pizza Girl. wrote:
: > You're not the only one laughing at this clown when it comes to milk
shills.
: > Evidence is on everybody's lips and yet as a trained doctor with no
patients
: > he still supports his family's business.
:
:
: COMMENT:
:
: I've got lots of patients. My family is a family of teachers, and has
: never had anything to do with the dairy business.
:
: You are an ignorant flake. And worse, a paranoid one as well. Ignorance
: can be cured, but for paranoia it takes drugs that you won't like.
:
: SBH
:

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Your spelling sucks. "Patience"

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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:
: Pizza Girl. wrote:
: > You're not the only one laughing at this clown when it comes to milk
shills.
: > Evidence is on everybody's lips and yet as a trained doctor with no
patients
: > he still supports his family's business.
:
:
: COMMENT:
:
: I've got lots of patients. My family is a family of teachers, and has
: never had anything to do with the dairy business.
:
: You are an ignorant flake. And worse, a paranoid one as well. Ignorance
: can be cured, but for paranoia it takes drugs that you won't like.

My spelling checker detects no errors.
BTW, when you argue by criticizing a
post's spelling, your argument sucks.

Pizza Girl. said:

Your spelling sucks. "Patience"

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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:
: Pizza Girl. wrote:
: > You're not the only one laughing at this clown when it comes to milk
shills.
: > Evidence is on everybody's lips and yet as a trained doctor with no
patients
: > he still supports his family's business.
:
:
: COMMENT:
:
: I've got lots of patients. My family is a family of teachers, and has
: never had anything to do with the dairy business.
:
: You are an ignorant flake. And worse, a paranoid one as well. Ignorance
: can be cured, but for paranoia it takes drugs that you won't like.
:
: SBH
:

COMMENT:

You're the one who spelled it "wrong," if "patients" is not what you
meant. I spelled it exactly the way you did. Now, you may not have
written what you meant in the first place, but that's not my problem. I
merely read what you actually wrote.

SBH

duh!

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: "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: news:1128638867.82daf23f2f1a2e5e49121141c05e8d90@teranews...
: > Your spelling sucks. "Patience"
: >
: > "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message
: > news:[email hidden]...
: > :
: > : Pizza Girl. wrote:
: > : > You're not the only one laughing at this clown when it comes to milk
: > shills.
: > : > Evidence is on everybody's lips and yet as a trained doctor with no
: > patients
: > : > he still supports his family's business.
: > :
: > :
: > : COMMENT:
: > :
: > : I've got lots of patients. My family is a family of teachers, and has
: > : never had anything to do with the dairy business.
: > :
: > : You are an ignorant flake. And worse, a paranoid one as well.
Ignorance
: > : can be cured, but for paranoia it takes drugs that you won't like.
:
: My spelling checker detects no errors.
: BTW, when you argue by criticizing a
: post's spelling, your argument sucks.
:
:
:

See.... proof positive! He does have patience!

LOL

Have a great one.

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: COMMENT:
:
: You're the one who spelled it "wrong," if "patients" is not what you
: meant. I spelled it exactly the way you did. Now, you may not have
: written what you meant in the first place, but that's not my problem. I
: merely read what you actually wrote.
:
: SBH
: