Bollards

Colin McKenzie said:

Quoted message said:

In this case the bollards are not to keep out the minipikeys on
motorbikes, but to slow down cyclists at a point where a lot of peds
(particularly kids walking to and from school) cross the path. I
/have/ on occasion caught myself paying so much attention to
negotiating the bollards that I don't actually notice whether there
are any peds crossing.

The point being, of course, that people on bikes are as likely as people
in cars to travel too fast for the conditions. There are chicanes on
roads too.

FSVO "as likely". Cyclists are generally more aware of the consequences
of travelling too fast for the conditions, and thus I suspect that in
fact they do so far /less/ than motorists.

Furthermore, chicanes on roads (mostly) have to comply with certain
standards [1] regarding size, shape, position, visibility, lighting &
reflectors, etc; chicanes on off-road cycle paths, as far as I'm aware,
have no such standards, and thus it is quite possible to suddenly
encounter completely inappropriate chicanes.

R.

[1] How well-thought-out these standards are, may vary.

Richard said:

Furthermore, chicanes on roads (mostly) have to comply with certain
standards [1] regarding size, shape, position, visibility, lighting &
reflectors, etc; chicanes on off-road cycle paths, as far as I'm aware,
have no such standards, and thus it is quite possible to suddenly
encounter completely inappropriate chicanes.

For example this one:
http://www.mikecauser.com/images/Soham-0002.jpg

Mike

Mike Causer said:

Richard said:

Furthermore, chicanes on roads (mostly) have to comply with certain
standards [1] regarding size, shape, position, visibility, lighting &
reflectors, etc; chicanes on off-road cycle paths, as far as I'm aware,
have no such standards, and thus it is quite possible to suddenly
encounter completely inappropriate chicanes.

For example this one:
http://www.mikecauser.com/images/Soham-0002.jpg

Yes. There's a splendid example near me of a wideish (~3m)
pedestrian/cycle route that turns 90 deg left. It's unlit, and bounded
by ~2m high greenery. About 1/4 mile away there's some all-weather
playing pitches with Colditzian floodlighting that's pretty much in your
line of sight from one direction, visible over the greenery and ruining
whatever night sight you had.

Some dork has put a 1m high metal post, painted black, bang in the
middle of the turning arc of a medium-paced rider. And I use the term
'bang in the middle...' with some feeling.

R.

M-gineering said:

Colin McKenzie said:

Quoted message said:

The point being, of course, that people on bikes are as likely as people
in cars to travel too fast for the conditions. There are chicanes on
roads too.

with the chicanes by their very existance dractically increasing the
number of people going to fast for the conditions

By dint of changing the conditions to require a lower speed than people
would otherwise be travelling at?

...d

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Some dork has put a 1m high metal post, painted black, bang in the
middle of the turning arc of a medium-paced rider. And I use the term
'bang in the middle...' with some feeling.

Sue. I know that 'compensation culture' is a very damaging thing
socially, but it is pretty much the only way to get through to councils
that what they're going is dangerous. You could, if you like, make it
clear that any damages awarded would go to some charity, or the CTC.

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Colin McKenzie said:

The point being, of course, that people on bikes are as likely as
people in cars to travel too fast for the conditions. There are
chicanes on roads too.

Although the road chicanes, of course, tend not to be constructed in a
manner that requires motorists to get out and push their cars around them.

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Colin McKenzie said:

Quoted message said:

In this case the bollards are not to keep out the minipikeys on
motorbikes, but to slow down cyclists at a point where a lot of peds
(particularly kids walking to and from school) cross the path. I /have/
on occasion caught myself paying so much attention to negotiating the
bollards that I don't actually notice whether there are any peds
crossing.

The point being, of course, that people on bikes are as likely as people
in cars to travel too fast for the conditions. There are chicanes on
roads too.

FSVO "as likely". Cyclists are generally more aware of the consequences of
travelling too fast for the conditions, and thus I suspect that in fact
they do so far /less/ than motorists.

Furthermore, chicanes on roads (mostly) have to comply with certain
standards [1] regarding size, shape, position, visibility, lighting &
reflectors, etc; chicanes on off-road cycle paths, as far as I'm aware,
have no such standards, and thus it is quite possible to suddenly
encounter completely inappropriate chicanes.

R.

[1] How well-thought-out these standards are, may vary.

Only inasmuch as none are 'well-thought-out'!

Alan