Boiling lobsters

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Peter Aitken said:

Do lobsters feel pain when they are boiled? A new study says "no"

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/02/15/lobster.pain.ap/index.html

I am sure that PETA and like minded people will be very disappointed at
this. One less thing to nag about.

--
Peter Aitken

The article does not show any proof.
It just says that it's "unlikely".

I, for one, start my crustaceans in cold water and bring it up
to a boil. I never see thrashing around or struggling when I
do that. I think they have a better texture too.

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I, for one, start my crustaceans in cold water and bring it up
to a boil. I never see thrashing around or struggling when I
do that. I think they have a better texture too.

--
K.

Howdy,

Perhaps this is what you are describing, but...

You are likely to get better taste if you put 'em in about a
half inch of cold water, and then heat that to steam.

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Kenneth said:

Katra said:

I, for one, start my crustaceans in cold water and bring it up
to a boil. I never see thrashing around or struggling when I
do that. I think they have a better texture too.

--
K.

Howdy,

Perhaps this is what you are describing, but...

You are likely to get better taste if you put 'em in about a
half inch of cold water, and then heat that to steam.

Yup. The only other thing I do, and I don't know it matters or not
it's just more habit than anything, is to toss 'em into the freezer
for 20 minutes or so.

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Peter Aitken said:

Do lobsters feel pain when they are boiled? A new study says "no"

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/02/15/lobster.pain.ap/index.html

I am sure that PETA and like minded people will be very disappointed

at

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this. One less thing to nag about.

I doubt it. You imply that PETA fanatics are open to learning. There
is no evidence of that.

-aem

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Do lobsters feel pain when they are boiled? A new study says "no"

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/02/15/lobster.pain.ap/index.html

I am sure that PETA and like minded people will be very disappointed at
this. One less thing to nag about.

--
Peter Aitken

The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who still hunt
whales for food.

Charlie

mmmmm...whale

Charles Gifford said:

The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who

still hunt

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whales for food.

Charlie

Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000. Since
they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
differ from eating a land mammal?

-aem

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Kenneth said:

Katra said:

I, for one, start my crustaceans in cold water and bring it up
to a boil. I never see thrashing around or struggling when I
do that. I think they have a better texture too.

--
K.

Howdy,

Perhaps this is what you are describing, but...

You are likely to get better taste if you put 'em in about a
half inch of cold water, and then heat that to steam.

Actually, I immerse them in cold water...

Never tried steaming live ones.

D'you really think it would make a big difference?
They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!

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aem said:

Charles Gifford said:

The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who

still hunt

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whales for food.

Charlie

Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000. Since
they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
differ from eating a land mammal?

-aem

Sea mammals are sentient.

It's tantamount to cannabalism.......

Just MHO.

:-P

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Katra said:

Actually, I immerse them in cold water...

Never tried steaming live ones.

D'you really think it would make a big difference?
They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!

--
K.

Hi again,

The problem (if you want to call it that) is that you are
making a large volume of "lobster broth" and then (probably)
throwing it away.

All the best,

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Katra said:

Actually, I immerse them in cold water...

Never tried steaming live ones.

D'you really think it would make a big difference?
They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!

--
K.

Hi again,

The problem (if you want to call it that) is that you are
making a large volume of "lobster broth" and then (probably)
throwing it away.

I think there's something to what you say. I always boiled lobsters but the
other night I steamed them and they seemed unusually good. Not to mention
saving a lot of energy!

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aem said:

Charles Gifford said:

The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who

still hunt

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whales for food.

Charlie

Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000. Since
they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
differ from eating a land mammal?

-aem

Sea mammals are sentient.

It's tantamount to cannabalism.......

Just MHO.

Cannabalism is defined as eating one's own species.

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Katra said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

aem said:

Charles Gifford said:

The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who

still hunt whales for food.

Quoted message said:

Charlie

Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000.

Since

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
differ from eating a land mammal?

-aem

Sea mammals are sentient.

It's tantamount to cannabalism.......

Just MHO.

:-P

You are entitled to your opinion, and it is shared by many others. I
don't agree with it, but that's just MHO. Land mammals are sentient,
too. I was just tweaking Charlie, who wrote "...people who still hunt
whales for food" as though that were a self-evident refutation of
anything the Norwegian government says or does.

Don't ever read The Secret Life of Plants or you may wind up with
nothing left to eat. <smile>

-aem

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Kenneth said:

Katra said:

Actually, I immerse them in cold water...

Never tried steaming live ones.

D'you really think it would make a big difference?
They come out tender and juicy when I do it this way!

--
K.

Hi again,

The problem (if you want to call it that) is that you are
making a large volume of "lobster broth" and then (probably)
throwing it away.

All the best,

Mmm... I'd like to agree, but, they don't stay in long enough to make a
broth. ;-)
The water comes up to a boil, the lobster turns bright red and they are
done!

But, thanks!

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aem said:

Charles Gifford wrote:
>
> The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
still hunt
> whales for food.
>
> Charlie

Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000. Since
they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
differ from eating a land mammal?

-aem

Sea mammals are sentient.

It's tantamount to cannabalism.......

Just MHO.

Cannabalism is defined as eating one's own species.

Considering the tiny difference in genetics, you are... ;-)

Besides, if you read the above, I said it was "Tantamount" to
cannabalism, not that it actually was!

It just means that there is not a lof of difference between cannabalism
and consuming a sentient, intelligent being. Kinda like eating a space
alien. ;-)

--
K.

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aem said:

Katra said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

aem said:

Charles Gifford wrote:
>
> The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
still hunt whales for food.
>
> Charlie

Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000.

Since

Quoted message said:

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they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
differ from eating a land mammal?

-aem

Sea mammals are sentient.

It's tantamount to cannabalism.......

Just MHO.

:-P

You are entitled to your opinion, and it is shared by many others. I
don't agree with it, but that's just MHO. Land mammals are sentient,
too.

The only land mammals that are sentient AFAIK are primates.

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I was just tweaking Charlie, who wrote "...people who still hunt
whales for food" as though that were a self-evident refutation of
anything the Norwegian government says or does.

Don't ever read The Secret Life of Plants or you may wind up with
nothing left to eat. <smile>

Oh I'm a carnivoir, and even kill my own meat sometimes!
I just cannot bring myself to eat a fellow sentient.
Whales and dophins are the "humans" of the sea!

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-aem

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Katra said:

aem said:

Katra said:

aem wrote:

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> how does eating a sea mammal
> differ from eating a land mammal?

Quoted message said:

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Sea mammals are sentient.
It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
Just MHO.

Quoted message said:

You are entitled to your opinion, and it is shared by many others.

I

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don't agree with it, but that's just MHO. Land mammals are

sentient,

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too.

The only land mammals that are sentient AFAIK are primates.

"Sentient" is poorly defined and/or very-poorly measured. What
is a thinking being to one person is a steak in the wild to
another person. There is no realistic way to tell and it
appears to be very much a sliding scale. Where's the line
drawn? Everyone needs to draw the line on their own. Some
will draw it with only humans above the line, some will have
porpoises above the line whales below the line, some will have
all cetaceans above the line.

So what about seals and sealions? Are they above or below the
line for you? For me they are below the line but there's also
the issue that seal meat is rarely found where I live so it
doesn't effect me accept in an academic discussion.

The stance taken by some PETA extremists is inconsistant in
that they must draw the line as well and just why are bugs
thinking and trees not thinking ...

Doug Freyburger said:

Katra said:

aem said:

Katra wrote:

>aem wrote:

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>>how does eating a sea mammal
>>differ from eating a land mammal?

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>Sea mammals are sentient.
>It's tantamount to cannabalism.......
>Just MHO.

<snip>

Lobsters ain't nothing more than the cockroaches of the seas.
Cannabalism?? Me dunthinso.

As for cookin' them bad boys (actually I prefer the ladies) try the
steaming method as opposed to the boiling. It does make quite a
difference, well to us anyhow.

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Steve

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bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

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"aem" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Charles Gifford wrote:
> >
> > The study does not say "no". Also it is from the same people who
> still hunt
> > whales for food.
> >
> > Charlie
>
> Yes, they are allowed a quota of 500 minke whales per year. The
> population of these whales is estimated at in excess of 100,000.
> Since
> they are not endangered or threatened, how does eating a sea mammal
> differ from eating a land mammal?
>
> -aem
>

Sea mammals are sentient.

It's tantamount to cannabalism.......

Just MHO.

Cannabalism is defined as eating one's own species.

Considering the tiny difference in genetics, you are... ;-)

Besides, if you read the above, I said it was "Tantamount" to
cannabalism, not that it actually was!

It just means that there is not a lof of difference between cannabalism
and consuming a sentient, intelligent being. Kinda like eating a space
alien. ;-)

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I understand your point.

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