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No doubt you're a coach. And because you think only of
others, no doubt

you

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do it for free?

Wrong again, Duncan. I am not a coach.

However, coaches have had a tremendous impact on my life - I
have deep respect for them and your ignorant, arrogant
comments could not be ignored.

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complaining that I am wrong will prove my point. Those who
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agreeing

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also prove my point. Those who say nothing allow my
point to go

unchallenged

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by their silence. This self justifying argument is based
on the same logic which allows the coaches always to be
right about my training. They say

"do

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what I say,

Duncan .....I'm speechless. Did you just return home
from the pub?

This may be one of the best examples of Use-Net suicides
I've ever seen.

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Now you've heard it I await your response. Coaches
who write in

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complaining that I am wrong will prove my point. Those
who write in

agreeing

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also prove my point. Those who say nothing allow my
point to go

unchallenged

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by their silence. This self justifying argument is based
on the same logic which allows the coaches always to be
right about my training. They say

"do

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what I say,

Duncan .....I'm speechless. Did you just return home
from the pub?

This may be one of the best examples of Use-Net suicides
I've ever seen.

I, too, am speechless, and that doesn't happen often. I'm
sure I will have a response later.

martin

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Turning swimming in to a profession is like turning
walking or breathing

in

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to a profession. It's not a proper job. I can't expect
professionals to agree, for obvious financial reasons,
but they should know that there

are

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plenty of amateurs like me who view them mostly as
hangers on, and

largely

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unnecessary.

So, based on your statement above - being a professional
swim instructor &/or swim coach is not considered to be a
'proper job'.....you must be kidding!

If not, who died and left you King?

Perhaps you'd be so kind as to list those jobs you do
consider 'proper' so the rest of us can do some much-
needed career planning........

A real job is one which has intrinsic value. In my view
teaching swimming does, coaching does not.

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I await the wrath of coaches, proving that they have no
sense of humour (though I think they've already
demonstrated that).

I couldn't find anything that required a response. It was
all silly.

martin

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No doubt you're a coach. And because you think only of
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you

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do it for free?

Wrong again, Duncan. I am not a coach.

However, coaches have had a tremendous impact on my life -
I have deep respect for them and your ignorant, arrogant
comments could not be

ignored.

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You should take up coaching, then. You seem to have the
right approach. See my further ignorant, arrogant comments
on the impact they've had on my life! (separate post).

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Now you've heard it I await your response. Coaches who
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complaining that I am wrong will prove my point. Those
who write in

agreeing

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also prove my point. Those who say nothing allow my
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unchallenged

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by their silence. This self justifying argument is based
on the same

logic

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which allows the coaches always to be right about my
training. They say

"do

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what I say,

Duncan .....I'm speechless. Did you just return home from
the pub?

This may be one of the best examples of Use-Net suicides
I've ever seen.

Thank you Bill, you prove my point better than I could!

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No doubt you're a coach. And because you think only of
others, no doubt

you

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do it for free?

Wrong again, Duncan. I am not a coach.

However, coaches have had a tremendous impact on my life
- I have deep respect for them and your ignorant,
arrogant comments could not be

ignored.

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You should take up coaching, then. You seem to have the
right approach. See my further ignorant, arrogant comments
on the impact they've had on my life! (separate post).

What was your "sense of humor" rejoinder about then? Did you
really mean all the stuff in your letter, or was it meant in
jest? And is your uniformly negative opinion ofthe coaching
profession based only on your personal experience, or do you
have some objective evidence that coaching is not really a
profession?

martin

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> No doubt you're a coach. And because you think only
> of others, no

doubt

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you
> do it for free?

Wrong again, Duncan. I am not a coach.

However, coaches have had a tremendous impact on my
life - I have deep respect for them and your ignorant,
arrogant comments could not be

ignored.

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You should take up coaching, then. You seem to have the
right approach. See my further ignorant, arrogant
comments on the impact they've had on

my

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life! (separate post).

What was your "sense of humor" rejoinder about then? Did
you really mean all the stuff in your letter, or was it
meant in jest? And is your uniformly negative opinion
ofthe coaching profession based only on your personal
experience, or do you have some objective evidence that
coaching is not really a profession?

martin

If you have to explain a joke, the person who need the
explanation will never get it. Best move on. It's all
opinion, as are your own comments.

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Now you've heard it I await your response. Coaches who
write in

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complaining that I am wrong will prove my point. Those
who write in

agreeing

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also prove my point. Those who say nothing allow my
point to go

unchallenged

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by their silence. This self justifying argument is
based on the same

logic

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which allows the coaches always to be right about my
training. They say

"do

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what I say,

Duncan .....I'm speechless. Did you just return home from
the pub?

This may be one of the best examples of Use-Net suicides
I've ever seen.

Thank you Bill, you prove my point better than I could!

Then what *was* your point? I don't see it. Personally, when
a coach has told me that I wasn't actually doing what he had
told me to do, he or she has always been able to prove that
I was not doing what he or she told me to do. How do you
know you were doing what you had been told to do? Did you
see yourself on video, for example? What are some examples
of what you were told to do?

martin

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doubt

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> > do it for free?
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> Wrong again, Duncan. I am not a coach.
>
> However, coaches have had a tremendous impact on my
> life - I have deep respect for them and your ignorant,
> arrogant comments could not be
ignored.
>
You should take up coaching, then. You seem to have the
right approach. See my further ignorant, arrogant
comments on the impact they've had on

my

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life! (separate post).

What was your "sense of humor" rejoinder about then? Did
you really mean all the stuff in your letter, or was it
meant in jest? And is your uniformly negative opinion
ofthe coaching profession based only on your personal
experience, or do you have some objective evidence that
coaching is not really a profession?

martin

If you have to explain a joke, the person who need the
explanation will never get it. Best move on. It's all
opinion, as are your own comments.

You don't have to explain the joke. I got the joke. It
wasn't funny at all, but I got the joke. But now you
indicate above that it wasn't really a joke; you meant it
all, not literally, of course, but you really do mean that
coaching is worthless, right?

martin

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> Turning swimming in to a profession is like turning
> walking or

breathing

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in
> to a profession. It's not a proper job. I can't
> expect professionals

to

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> agree, for obvious financial reasons, but they should
> know that there

are

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> plenty of amateurs like me who view them mostly as
> hangers on, and

largely

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> unnecessary.

So, based on your statement above - being a
professional swim

instructor

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&/or swim coach is not considered to be a 'proper
job'.....you must be kidding!

If not, who died and left you King?

Perhaps you'd be so kind as to list those jobs you do
consider 'proper'

so

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the rest of us can do some much-needed career
planning........

A real job is one which has intrinsic value. In my view
teaching swimming does, coaching does not.

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I await the wrath of coaches, proving that they have no
sense of humour (though I think they've already
demonstrated that).

I couldn't find anything that required a response. It was
all silly.

martin

Ah, you've got the point at last. Trouble is, everyone else
has move on.

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Now you've heard it I await your response. Coaches who
write in
> complaining that I am wrong will prove my point. Those
> who write in
agreeing
> also prove my point. Those who say nothing allow my
> point to go
unchallenged
> by their silence. This self justifying argument is
> based on the same

logic

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> which allows the coaches always to be right about my
> training. They say
"do
> what I say,

Duncan .....I'm speechless. Did you just return home
from the pub?

This may be one of the best examples of Use-Net suicides
I've ever seen.

I, too, am speechless, and that doesn't happen often.

Well, I achieved something of value to the world then.

I think you revealed yourself.

martin

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breathing

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> > to a profession. It's not a proper job. I can't
> > expect professionals

to

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> > agree, for obvious financial reasons, but they
> > should know that there
are
> > plenty of amateurs like me who view them mostly as
> > hangers on, and
largely
> > unnecessary.
>
> So, based on your statement above - being a
> professional swim

instructor

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> &/or swim coach is not considered to be a 'proper
> job'.....you must be kidding!
>
> If not, who died and left you King?
>
> Perhaps you'd be so kind as to list those jobs you do
> consider 'proper'

so

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> the rest of us can do some much-needed career
> planning........
>
>
A real job is one which has intrinsic value. In my view
teaching swimming does, coaching does not.

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I await the wrath of coaches, proving that they have no
sense of humour (though I think they've already
demonstrated that).

I couldn't find anything that required a response. It was
all silly.

martin

Ah, you've got the point at last. Trouble is, everyone else
has move on.

But you meant it, right? Are you, or are you not, claiming
that coaching is not a useful profession based on what you
wrote in your letter?

martin

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Now you've heard it I await your response. Coaches who
write in

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complaining that I am wrong will prove my point. Those
who write in

agreeing

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also prove my point. Those who say nothing allow my
point to go

unchallenged

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by their silence. This self justifying argument is
based on the same

logic

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which allows the coaches always to be right about my
training. They say

"do

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what I say,

Duncan .....I'm speechless. Did you just return home from
the pub?

This may be one of the best examples of Use-Net suicides
I've ever seen.

I, too, am speechless, and that doesn't happen often.

Well, I achieved something of value to the world then.

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Martin - by visibility and exposure of the sport i'm
talking about getting kids into competitive swimming and
keeping them in, which is incredibly

hard

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to do.

I have to agree with Duncan and Martin here.

If you want to lure kids in swimming by promising them that
they will get "visibility", "exposure", money, or fame, I
think you are plainly wrong. Disillusion will be sharp. If
this is the kind of thing your kids are interested in, they
better had not swim, and play football or basketball... Much
higher probability to get all of this in these sports if you
are reasonnabily gifted and dedicated.

Swimming is not an easy sport. Even very gifted kids will
have to work insanely long and hard to have good results,
and the number of guys in the world who can make a life out
of it is not statistically significant.

You shouldn't lie to kids. When I tell my kids why they
should competitively swim, I tell them that:
- they can do it everywhere on earth, at every age,
- it can save their lives (and others),
- it will forge them an iron will, tenacity,
- they will get good fitness, a great body, and a
strong heart,
- they will get the pleasure of feeling the water flow
smoothly and effortless around their bodies,
- they will probably support no injury (as opposed to sports
like football, rugby, or even running),
- they will feel the benefit of swimming decades later (see
our numerous discussion on the difficulty of developping
"duck" red muscles in your arm after 25, when age group
swimmer can swim again well in a few weeks, even after
having stopped for decades)
- they will get the kind of friendship you get when you
commonly endure a long but sound pain (this one is a bit
hard to sell!)
- ...

Now, if they prefer (show) business, they shouldn't swim...

-- Olivier

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If you want to lure kids in swimming by promising them
that they will get "visibility", "exposure", money, or
fame, I think you are plainly wrong.

who said anything about promising them these things?
certainly not me. do you think swimming would ever have
gotten onto all the cable news channels recently if Speedo
hadn't just released it's FSII? what do you think looks
better on televised races? swimmers in high-tech racing
suits or speedo breifs? go take a look at your local sports
store and see the variety of equipment that other sports
have. these are all little things that make competitive
swimming neat to the outsider, rather than a sport that
hasn't changed its appearence in about oooohhh.....50 years.

Hm, still no experiences from users. Just a discussion about
banning them or not and the use of coaches. Banning suits
would be stupid in my opinion. Let there be freedom!! Or you
should ban everythging that isn't available to everybody,
like books on training, supplements, etc.

Fred

P.S. I'm still interested in the experiences of the users of
those suits.

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I have a question about bodysuits (Speedo Fastskin, etc).
What is supposed to be the best bodysuit for competitive
swimming? I know all manufacturers praise their suits to
the max, but what about

you,

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who actually use them (or not). All experiences welcome!

Fred S. Netherlands

Fred, i suggested you google a search on this as i wrote a
post recently on
it. anyway, here it is for you.

hi there d,

as far as high-end suits go, there are more differences than
meet the eye.

primarily people look at the 'hype' to do with reduced drag
through the fabric, but there are more elements to be
considered. the most important being the buoyancy afforded
by each suit.

at the ASCA conference last fall in San Diego, there was a
study presented regarding comparisons between these suits,
and the major factor was the buoyancy. Arena held its
buoyancy much longer thank the others (Tyr, Speedo and
another..Adidas i think). The implication is that the Arena
suit will be much much better in terms of a) longevity and
b) performance during a race. fastskins and the Tyr/adidas
suits quickly become saturated with water to the point that
after 70 seconds or so, they are essentially just bags of
water on the body, while Arena managed to maintain its
buoyancy effect beyond the time frame of the study.

an implication of this covers another advantage of
bodysuits, which is muscle compression. energy is lost
through muscle vibration when you exercise. if the suit
becomes looser through becoming water logged you lose this
advantage also, so there again Arena is ideal.

the new FSkin and Tyr suit, well, good luck getting hold of
the FSII for the next 6 months! i haven't seen any data
about bouyancy for either suit, (although i saw the new Tyr
suit being tested at our Speedo Sectional meet this past
weekend by one of their athletes, Kyle Bubolz, and he was
complaining about the fit around the shoulders.

Our team, and the team i coached prior to this one always
contracted with Speedo for Fastskins, and they do have a
short life-expectancy, to the point that after 8-10 swims
swimmers complained they felt loose, and seams didn't hold
up that well (thankfully theres always a Speedo rep to
replace it at big meets).

anyway, for freestyle, if you're comfortable, go with legs
and body, if not, i know most guys stick with the legs, over
jammers and breifs.

for the IMs you have breasttroke to contend with, and while
i don't see a reason that you can't wear full legs because
the seams are designed well (even if they fray), some
people feel a little restricted, most go with a jammer of
knee-body suit.

hope that helped.

oops..forgot to add this...

if you chose a suit for comfort, you don't need to worry
about its buoyancy-maintainance aspect...

go buy some scotchgard, turn the suit inside out, and
spray a coat on
iu...let it dry, spray it again. then it'll maintain its water-
proof qualities for a long time 🙂

...not that i'd advocate improving your performance through
increased buoyancy. ahem.

that research i was discussing earlier however is going to
be used in the next big assualt on having the suits banned,
however. i doubt they'll manage it though, and wouldn't be
impressed if they did do it.

steve

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Hm, still no experiences from users. Just a discussion
about banning them

or

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not and the use of coaches. Banning suits would be stupid
in my opinion. Let there be freedom!! Or you should ban
everythging that isn't available to everybody, like

books

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on training, supplements, etc.

Fred

P.S. I'm still interested in the experiences of the users
of those suits.

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I have a question about bodysuits (Speedo Fastskin,
etc). What is

supposed

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to be the best bodysuit for competitive swimming? I know
all manufacturers praise their suits to the max, but
what about

you,

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who actually use them (or not). All experiences welcome!

Fred S. Netherlands

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>> "Duncan Heenan"
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>> > Turning swimming in to a profession is like
>> > turning walking or

breathing

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>> in
>> > to a profession. It's not a proper job. I can't
>> > expect

professionals

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to

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>> > agree, for obvious financial reasons, but they
>> > should know that

there

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>are
>> > plenty of amateurs like me who view them mostly as
>> > hangers on, and
>largely
>> > unnecessary.
>>
>> So, based on your statement above - being a
>> professional swim

instructor

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>> &/or swim coach is not considered to be a 'proper
>> job'.....you must

be

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>> kidding!
>>
>> If not, who died and left you King?
>>
>> Perhaps you'd be so kind as to list those jobs you
>> do consider

'proper'

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so

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>> the rest of us can do some much-needed career
>> planning........
>>
>>
>A real job is one which has intrinsic value. In my
>view teaching

swimming

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>does, coaching does not.

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>I await the wrath of coaches, proving that they have
>no sense of

humour

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>(though I think they've already demonstrated that).

I couldn't find anything that required a response. It
was all silly.

martin

Ah, you've got the point at last. Trouble is, everyone
else has move on.

But you meant it, right? Are you, or are you not, claiming
that coaching is not a useful profession based on what you
wrote in your letter?

martin

Martin, Since you appear to be unable to read what is
written, this dialogue is at an end.

anyone can read what is written, but when on one hand you
appear to be talking with your tongue in your cheek and on
another to be forthright and honest, its hard to decide.
whats not clear is why you would be so ambiguous with your
contentious statements regarding the validity of coaching
swimming as a career then suddenly decide to leave the
conversation when you get called on it.

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> >
> >"Bill Geiser" <wpgeiser(no.spam)@sbcglobal.net>
> >wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
> >ews.prodigy.com...
> >> "Duncan Heenan"
> >> <[email hidden]> wrote

in

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> >message
> >> "]news:[email hidden]...
> >>
> >> > Turning swimming in to a profession is like
> >> > turning walking or
breathing
> >> in
> >> > to a profession. It's not a proper job. I can't
> >> > expect

professionals

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to
> >> > agree, for obvious financial reasons, but they
> >> > should know that

there

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> >are
> >> > plenty of amateurs like me who view them mostly
> >> > as hangers on,

and

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> >largely
> >> > unnecessary.
> >>
> >> So, based on your statement above - being a
> >> professional swim
instructor
> >> &/or swim coach is not considered to be a 'proper
> >> job'.....you

must

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be

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> >> kidding!
> >>
> >> If not, who died and left you King?
> >>
> >> Perhaps you'd be so kind as to list those jobs you
> >> do consider

'proper'

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so
> >> the rest of us can do some much-needed career
> >> planning........
> >>
> >>
> >A real job is one which has intrinsic value. In my
> >view teaching

swimming

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> >does, coaching does not.
>
> [..]
>
> >I await the wrath of coaches, proving that they have
> >no sense of

humour

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> >(though I think they've already demonstrated that).
>
> I couldn't find anything that required a response. It
> was all silly.
>
> martin

Ah, you've got the point at last. Trouble is, everyone
else has move

on.

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But you meant it, right? Are you, or are you not,
claiming that coaching is not a useful profession based
on what you wrote in your letter?

martin

Martin, Since you appear to be unable to read what is
written, this dialogue is at an end.