Body Building for Aesthetics Only

"Sanbar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm trying to nail down some
type of routine that will keep my body shape essentially the same with
some
minor definition improvements.

Eat less - definition is overwhelmingly about bodyfat. Sorry to be
blunt but that's about the size of it. Keep doing what you've been
doing, eat 500 calories per day less (or add more exercise, or some
combination thereof) and see where you end up in a few weeks.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Sanbar" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I am an average sized guy 5'10, 185 who goes to the gym strictly to
improve appearance. I want to have the body of Brad Pitt rather than
Arnold. My body is probably 5-10% from where I want it to be and I want
to form a workout schedule that will meet these goals.

I'm not interested at all in gaining 30 pounds and then losing 20 type
of thing.

So far what I've learned is to do cardio in the morning before eating,

Questionable

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drink about 90 ounces of water per day

What kind of frigging dumbass way is that to measure water?

Quoted message said:

and have a high protein to carb
ratio.

My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and amounts
of protein. Is working the entire body every other day too often

Assuming a rational routine with rational volume, every other day is fine.

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should I cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight train.

No.

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how often should I do cardio and what type of intensity.

Your choice. For your goals you can do none. Two days a week is reasonable.
HIIT one day and long slow distance the other would give you variety.

Hugh

--
Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

Sanbar said:

I am an average sized guy 5'10, 185 who goes to the gym strictly to improve
appearance. I want to have the body of Brad Pitt rather than Arnold. My body
is probably 5-10% from where I want it to be and I want to form a workout
schedule that will meet these goals.

I'm not interested at all in gaining 30 pounds and then losing 20 type of
thing.

So far what I've learned is to do cardio in the morning before eating, drink
about 90 ounces of water per day and have a high protein to carb ratio.

My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and amounts of
protein. Is working the entire body every other day too often and should I
cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight train. Also, how often
should I do cardio and what type of intensity. I'm trying to nail down some
type of routine that will keep my body shape essentially the same with some
minor definition improvements.

Thanks in advance.

Unless your looking at kidney failure, ease up on the protien.

"Tavington" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and
amounts of protein. Is working the entire body every other day too
often

Assuming a rational routine with rational volume, every other day is
fine.

[censored]. That's HIT propaganda. You should work out at least 6 days a
week, with one day of rest on Sundays. The Weider way is the only way!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

should I cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight train.

No.

Now you're spewing Atkins propaganda. Low fat diets are far superior to
"low carb" diets. Atkins died 50 lbs overweight.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

how often should I do cardio and what type of intensity.

Your choice. For your goals you can do none. Two days a week is
reasonable. HIIT one day and long slow distance the other would give
you variety.

Use cardio every day that you workout... what's wrong with that?

This troll brought to you by People for the American way of Trolling.

Have a nice day.

Hugh

--
Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

Quoted message said:

I am an average sized guy 5'10, 185 who goes to the gym strictly to

improve

Quoted message said:

appearance. I want to have the body of Brad Pitt rather than Arnold. My

body

Quoted message said:

is probably 5-10% from where I want it to be and I want to form a workout
schedule that will meet these goals.

I'm not interested at all in gaining 30 pounds and then losing 20 type of
thing.

What you want to do is make sure that you don't lift too heavy and
concentrate on high-volume workouts. To attain those coveted "long and
lean" muscles, you should do about 35-50 sets per workout at lighter
weights. If you bench press 80 lbs for several sets you feel the pump a lot
more than doing fewer sets at a higher weight. The pump is the most
important goal of any workout.

Quoted message said:

So far what I've learned is to do cardio in the morning before eating,

drink

Quoted message said:

about 90 ounces of water per day and have a high protein to carb ratio.

I'm skeptical of the Atkins diet myself. Remember, Atkins died at being
50-60 pounds overweight. The most important thing you can do is to make
sure that you consume a lot of "low fat" products. If it says "fat free" on
the package, it means that you can virtually eat as much of the stuff as you
want and you will never get fat.

Quoted message said:

My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and amounts of
protein. Is working the entire body every other day too often and should I
cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight train. Also, how often
should I do cardio and what type of intensity. I'm trying to nail down

some

Quoted message said:

type of routine that will keep my body shape essentially the same with

some

Quoted message said:

minor definition improvements.

You should do 30 minutes of cardio before and after your workouts (60 mins
total) to properly warm yourself up and warm down. Most personal trainers
recommend that you train 6 days a week (1 day of rest a week). If you
follow this philosophy, your workout routine will be a success.

Quoted message said:

Eat less - definition is overwhelmingly about bodyfat. Sorry to be
blunt but that's about the size of it. Keep doing what you've been
doing, eat 500 calories per day less (or add more exercise, or some
combination thereof) and see where you end up in a few weeks.

But you should also make sure that you eat "low fat" as much as possible.
If the product says that it is fat free it means you can eat as much as you
want and you will never get fat.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and amounts
of protein. Is working the entire body every other day too often

Assuming a rational routine with rational volume, every other day is fine.

[censored]. That's HIT propaganda. You should work out at least 6 days a
week, with one day of rest on Sundays. The Weider way is the only way!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

should I cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight train.

No.

Now you're spewing Atkins propaganda. Low fat diets are far superior to
"low carb" diets. Atkins died 50 lbs overweight.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

how often should I do cardio and what type of intensity.

Your choice. For your goals you can do none. Two days a week is

reasonable.

Quoted message said:

HIIT one day and long slow distance the other would give you variety.

Use cardio every day that you workout... what's wrong with that?

Hugh Beyer said:

"Tavington" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and
> amounts of protein. Is working the entire body every other day too
> often

Assuming a rational routine with rational volume, every other day is
fine.

[censored]. That's HIT propaganda. You should work out at least 6 days a
week, with one day of rest on Sundays. The Weider way is the only way!

Quoted message said:

> should I cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight train.

No.

Now you're spewing Atkins propaganda. Low fat diets are far superior to
"low carb" diets. Atkins died 50 lbs overweight.

Quoted message said:

> how often should I do cardio and what type of intensity.

Your choice. For your goals you can do none. Two days a week is
reasonable. HIIT one day and long slow distance the other would give
you variety.

Use cardio every day that you workout... what's wrong with that?

This troll brought to you by People for the American way of Trolling.

But he posts from a server in Calgary.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Sanbar"

Quoted message said:

I am an average sized guy 5'10, 185 who goes to the gym strictly to improve
appearance. I want to have the body of Brad Pitt rather than Arnold. My body
is probably 5-10% from where I want it to be and I want to form a workout
schedule that will meet these goals.

I'm not interested at all in gaining 30 pounds and then losing 20 type of
thing.

So far what I've learned is to do cardio in the morning before eating, drink
about 90 ounces of water per day and have a high protein to carb ratio.

My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and amounts of
protein. Is working the entire body every other day too often and should I
cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight train. Also, how often
should I do cardio and what type of intensity. I'm trying to nail down some
type of routine that will keep my body shape essentially the same with some
minor definition improvements.

Thanks in advance.

Let me get this straight.

1. You are within 5-10% of achieving what you consider the perfect body?

2. You are looking to us for basic advice on nutrition and training?

If you are that close I would say the remainding 5-10% is going to be
extremely specific to you and general advice will not cut. Or even advice
on generalities.

--
Keith

In article <[email hidden]>, "Tavington"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I am an average sized guy 5'10, 185 who goes to the gym strictly to

improve

Quoted message said:

appearance. I want to have the body of Brad Pitt rather than Arnold. My

body

Quoted message said:

is probably 5-10% from where I want it to be and I want to form a workout
schedule that will meet these goals.

I'm not interested at all in gaining 30 pounds and then losing 20 type of
thing.

What you want to do is make sure that you don't lift too heavy and
concentrate on high-volume workouts. To attain those coveted "long and
lean" muscles, you should do about 35-50 sets per workout at lighter
weights. If you bench press 80 lbs for several sets you feel the pump a lot
more than doing fewer sets at a higher weight. The pump is the most
important goal of any workout.

Quoted message said:

So far what I've learned is to do cardio in the morning before eating,

drink

Quoted message said:

about 90 ounces of water per day and have a high protein to carb ratio.

I'm skeptical of the Atkins diet myself. Remember, Atkins died at being
50-60 pounds overweight. The most important thing you can do is to make
sure that you consume a lot of "low fat" products. If it says "fat free" on
the package, it means that you can virtually eat as much of the stuff as you
want and you will never get fat.

Quoted message said:

My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and amounts of
protein. Is working the entire body every other day too often and should I
cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight train. Also, how often
should I do cardio and what type of intensity. I'm trying to nail down

some

Quoted message said:

type of routine that will keep my body shape essentially the same with

some

Quoted message said:

minor definition improvements.

You should do 30 minutes of cardio before and after your workouts (60 mins
total) to properly warm yourself up and warm down. Most personal trainers
recommend that you train 6 days a week (1 day of rest a week). If you
follow this philosophy, your workout routine will be a success.

Oh hell yeah!!!!

Tav!!!! I love it!

Made my day. Especially 80 lbs for the bench. You are the master.

:^)

--
Keith

In article <[email hidden]>, Hugh Beyer

Quoted message said:

"Tavington" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and
> amounts of protein. Is working the entire body every other day too
> often

Assuming a rational routine with rational volume, every other day is
fine.

[censored]. That's HIT propaganda. You should work out at least 6 days a
week, with one day of rest on Sundays. The Weider way is the only way!

Quoted message said:

> should I cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight train.

No.

Now you're spewing Atkins propaganda. Low fat diets are far superior to
"low carb" diets. Atkins died 50 lbs overweight.

Quoted message said:

> how often should I do cardio and what type of intensity.

Your choice. For your goals you can do none. Two days a week is
reasonable. HIIT one day and long slow distance the other would give
you variety.

Use cardio every day that you workout... what's wrong with that?

This troll brought to you by People for the American way of Trolling.

Have a nice day.

He's good. He is consistent. He has fun with it. I always laugh. Tav isn't
mean or small. This is a great troll. Thank you PFTAWOT.

--
Keith

In article <[email hidden]>, "JMW"

Quoted message said:

Hugh Beyer said:

"Tavington" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

> > My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and
> > amounts of protein. Is working the entire body every other day too
> > often
>
> Assuming a rational routine with rational volume, every other day is
> fine.

[censored]. That's HIT propaganda. You should work out at least 6 days a
week, with one day of rest on Sundays. The Weider way is the only way!

> > should I cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight train.
>
> No.

Now you're spewing Atkins propaganda. Low fat diets are far superior to
"low carb" diets. Atkins died 50 lbs overweight.

> > how often should I do cardio and what type of intensity.
>
> Your choice. For your goals you can do none. Two days a week is
> reasonable. HIIT one day and long slow distance the other would give
> you variety.

Use cardio every day that you workout... what's wrong with that?

This troll brought to you by People for the American way of Trolling.

But he posts from a server in Calgary.

didn't say he was American. Said 'brought to you by'. Important distinction.

--
Keith

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Hugh

Beyer said:

"Tavington" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

>> My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and
>> amounts of protein. Is working the entire body every other day too
>> often
>
> Assuming a rational routine with rational volume, every other day
> is fine.

[censored]. That's HIT propaganda. You should work out at least 6
days a week, with one day of rest on Sundays. The Weider way is
the only way!

>> should I cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight train.
>
> No.

Now you're spewing Atkins propaganda. Low fat diets are far
superior to "low carb" diets. Atkins died 50 lbs overweight.

>> how often should I do cardio and what type of intensity.
>
> Your choice. For your goals you can do none. Two days a week is
> reasonable. HIIT one day and long slow distance the other would
> give you variety.

Use cardio every day that you workout... what's wrong with that?

This troll brought to you by People for the American way of Trolling.

Have a nice day.

He's good. He is consistent. He has fun with it. I always laugh. Tav
isn't mean or small. This is a great troll. Thank you PFTAWOT.

I must admit, I always get a chuckle out of his posts. I just hope the OPs
can see through it and don't heed his advice.
--
-Larry

Quoted message said:

Sanbar said:

I am an average sized guy 5'10, 185 who goes to the gym strictly to
improve appearance. I want to have the body of Brad Pitt rather than
Arnold. My body is probably 5-10% from where I want it to be and I
want to form a workout schedule that will meet these goals.

I'm not interested at all in gaining 30 pounds and then losing 20
type of thing.

So far what I've learned is to do cardio in the morning before
eating, drink about 90 ounces of water per day and have a high
protein to carb ratio.

My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and
amounts of protein. Is working the entire body every other day too
often and should I cut back on the protein on the days I don't
weight train. Also, how often should I do cardio and what type of
intensity. I'm trying to nail down some type of routine that will
keep my body shape essentially the same with some minor definition
improvements.

Thanks in advance.

Unless your looking at kidney failure, ease up on the protien.

Would you please provide a cite for your above claim? I'd love to read all
about it.
--
-Larry

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Hobbes said:

Hugh Beyer said:

"Tavington" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>> My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and
>>> amounts of protein. Is working the entire body every other day too
>>> often
>>
>> Assuming a rational routine with rational volume, every other day
>> is fine.
>
> [censored]. That's HIT propaganda. You should work out at least 6
> days a week, with one day of rest on Sundays. The Weider way is
> the only way!
>
>>> should I cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight train.
>>
>> No.
>
> Now you're spewing Atkins propaganda. Low fat diets are far
> superior to "low carb" diets. Atkins died 50 lbs overweight.
>
>>> how often should I do cardio and what type of intensity.
>>
>> Your choice. For your goals you can do none. Two days a week is
>> reasonable. HIIT one day and long slow distance the other would
>> give you variety.
>
> Use cardio every day that you workout... what's wrong with that?
>
This troll brought to you by People for the American way of Trolling.

Have a nice day.

He's good. He is consistent. He has fun with it. I always laugh. Tav
isn't mean or small. This is a great troll. Thank you PFTAWOT.

I must admit, I always get a chuckle out of his posts. I just hope the
OPs can see through it and don't heed his advice.

That would make it all much funnier.

David

Tavington said:

What you want to do is make sure that you don't lift too heavy and
concentrate on high-volume workouts. To attain those coveted "long and
lean" muscles, you should do about 35-50 sets per workout at lighter
weights. If you bench press 80 lbs for several sets you feel the pump a lot
more than doing fewer sets at a higher weight. The pump is the most
important goal of any workout.

80 lbs, what are you some kind of MONSTER?! Bench pressing more than
25% of your bodyweight, you're just asking for an injury!

Tavington said:

If the product says that it is fat free
it means you can eat as much as you want
and you will never get fat.

Say what? Izzatso? If I my diet consists of a daily intake of 15,000
calories from carbs and protein, but zero fat then I will never get
fat? Hnh. Thanks for the tip.

And bodybuilding is one word. Uh... well, it is. Tell Joe and Ben it
should've been IFB all along.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Hobbes said:

Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "Tavington" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>>> My questions are about frequency and intensity of workouts and
>>>> amounts of protein. Is working the entire body every other day

too

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>> often
>>>
>>> Assuming a rational routine with rational volume, every other day
>>> is fine.
>>
>> [censored]. That's HIT propaganda. You should work out at least 6
>> days a week, with one day of rest on Sundays. The Weider way is
>> the only way!
>>
>>>> should I cut back on the protein on the days I don't weight

train.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> Now you're spewing Atkins propaganda. Low fat diets are far
>> superior to "low carb" diets. Atkins died 50 lbs overweight.
>>
>>>> how often should I do cardio and what type of intensity.
>>>
>>> Your choice. For your goals you can do none. Two days a week is
>>> reasonable. HIIT one day and long slow distance the other would
>>> give you variety.
>>
>> Use cardio every day that you workout... what's wrong with that?
>>
> This troll brought to you by People for the American way of
> Trolling.
>
> Have a nice day.

He's good. He is consistent. He has fun with it. I always laugh. Tav
isn't mean or small. This is a great troll. Thank you PFTAWOT.

I must admit, I always get a chuckle out of his posts. I just hope
the
OPs can see through it and don't heed his advice.

That would make it all much funnier.

In a laughing-at-the-kids-in-the-short-school-bus kind of way, I suppose.

I think his stuff is funny too, though I think he needs to expand his
range.

Hugh

--
Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

On 7 Jun 2005 16:57:24 -0700, "Curt James" <[email hidden]> wrote
in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

Tavington said:

If the product says that it is fat free
it means you can eat as much as you want
and you will never get fat.

Say what? Izzatso? If I my diet consists of a daily intake of 15,000
calories from carbs and protein, but zero fat then I will never get
fat? Hnh. Thanks for the tip.

And bodybuilding is one word. Uh... well, it is. Tell Joe and Ben it
should've been IFB all along.

Curt, meet Tavington. Tavington, Curt. Tavington is one of the
resident trolls around here and is quite good at what he does. Unlike
the johnny come lately that has been boring everyone of late.