Body armour?

"wizardB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

First JD I'm no kid and have been riding the shore since the 1980's
,having pulled many people off the mountain with major injuries many which
could have been avoided with the use of some simple armor that I believe
that to not wear armor where it is necessary is just plain machismo
bull.PS I never buy in to media hype about anything.So before you start
off on an other of your pinhead rants maybe your should look at what's
really out there other than those sidewalks you ride down there.

uh oh, you gonna get it now, shore boy.

saying sidewalk rider to one of the best (and fastest) technical riders I've
seen.....

this isn't going to be pretty

GeeDubb said:

"wizardB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

First JD I'm no kid and have been riding the shore since the 1980's
,having pulled many people off the mountain with major injuries many
which could have been avoided with the use of some simple armor that I
believe that to not wear armor where it is necessary is just plain
machismo bull.PS I never buy in to media hype about anything.So before
you start off on an other of your pinhead rants maybe your should look
at what's really out there other than those sidewalks you ride down
there.

uh oh, you gonna get it now, shore boy.

saying sidewalk rider to one of the best (and fastest) technical riders
I've seen.....

this isn't going to be pretty

Place your bets now. Even odds if you take JD. I'm giving 20:1 if your
take the grand wizard.

--
o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
www.schnauzers.ws

Marz said:

I thought I'd a quick bit of research and guess what, a picture of
John Tomac pushing the limits winning the Kamikaze in 2004 while
wearing, yep you guessed it, body armour.

http://www.mbaction.com/archive/johntomackamikaze.jpg

Funny, I thought the subject was plastic courage for *XC* riding?

Bill "although there is the old question of why Kamikaze /pilots/ wore
helmets" S.

Marz said:

I thought I'd a quick bit of research and guess what, a picture of
John Tomac pushing the limits winning the Kamikaze in 2004 while
wearing, yep you guessed it, body armour.

http://www.mbaction.com/archive/johntomackamikaze.jpg

Funny, I thought the subject was plastic courage for *XC* riding?

Bill "although there is the old question of why Kamikaze /pilots/ wore
helmets" S.

wizardB said:

JD said:

Giant Yukon MTB Girl said:

On Dec 19, 10:24 pm, "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> wizardB wrote:
>> Riding XC or Free riding or Shore style which ever , armor is a must
>> whenever your pushing the envelope.The only people who don't are the
>> idiots,they might as well leave their helmets home and just off
>> themselves fast.

Quoted message said:

> You are truly programmed. I wonder how much your television viewing
> over the years has created this phenomenon, or if you are just another
> dullard lemming?
>
> JD

Quoted message said:

It's from too much time in front of the internet with no life as
reality and not enough time checking into the real reality.
Which is why you have a life and I gather lots of "balance" in your
life. Kinda lets all the other areas work at their best, esp. cycling,
no?

Most kids nowdays have no idea that there is a large world out there
with people who don't buy into the [censored] the media feeds them day in and
day out. They scarf it right up and some of us enjoy sitting back and
seeing just how severely impaired it makes some of them. Like this kid
whizzerp or whatever. Whizzerp is obviously convinced that armor is a
"must" for those who push the envelope and if they don't use it, they
are "idiots". He/she/it has been so programmed by what MBA or other
ragazines have told them, that is impossible to be sane and push one's
limits on a mountain bike without body armor. Their narrow view has
obviously blinded them to the fact that until a few years ago, NOBODY
WAS WEARING BODY ARMOR ON MOUNTAIN BIKES. Would it have been
impossible for people like Joe Murray, Ned Overend or John Tomac to
push their limits and if they did manage to push them, they were
idiots? This ridiculous little twit whizzerp only deserves to be
berated for their obvoius cluelessness and programmed mentality.

BTW, I'm imbalanced because I ride bicycles more than is socially
acceptable, especially where I reside. Then again, normalcy is
overrated and some societies just plain suck.

JD

Quoted message said:

First JD I'm no kid and have been riding the shore since the 1980's

So, tell us all whizzerp, my anonymous little pissant, what body armor
were you wearing in the 80's?

Quoted message said:

,having pulled many people off the mountain with major injuries many
which could have been avoided with the use of some simple armor that I
believe that to not wear armor where it is necessary is just plain
machismo bull.

Just admit that you are a punk and subscribe to punk notions and be
done with it, punk.

Quoted message said:

PS I never buy in to media hype about anything.So before
you start off on an other of your pinhead rants maybe your should look
at what's really out there other than those sidewalks you ride down there.

Next thing you know, whizzerp will be dropping names and beating their
chest to show how HARDCORE they are. I've seen your kind before and
laughed at them, riding the Prime Cut in Fruita on FR bikes in full
body armor. You'd never keep up with me on a bad day out there in your
armor, "pushing the limits" and pissing into the wind at the same time.
What a joke, bringing a 105mm howitzer to a quickdraw competition.
Consider your eye dotted, dummy.

JD

Bill Sornson said:

Marz said:

I thought I'd a quick bit of research and guess what, a picture of
John Tomac pushing the limits winning the Kamikaze in 2004 while
wearing, yep you guessed it, body armour.

http://www.mbaction.com/archive/johntomackamikaze.jpg

Funny, I thought the subject was plastic courage for *XC* riding?

Bill "although there is the old question of why Kamikaze /pilots/ wore
helmets" S.

Not for XC, but for All Mountain or what ever the catch phase is this
month. I used the term extreme XC to cover the type of riding I do down
here. With very few managed bike trails in Trinidad ( less than 10miles
) most iof my riding is along hiking or farm trails which require a
combination of ride, push, carry and climb to get up and a whole buinch
of ohshitohshitohshit to get down. Plus I usualy ride alone and out in
the middle of nowhere (beyond cell phone coverage) and after my last
fall I had to ride the last 4 miles of trail home with a broken left
hand which ment reduced control and no rear brake. Something I'd like
to avoid in the future.

I linked to Tomac's picture because JD the wonder child suggested that
awesome riders like John ride without armour.

Laters,

Marz

Marz said:

I linked to Tomac's picture because JD the wonder child suggested that
awesome riders like John ride without armour.

In their heyday (80's-mid 90's), I doubt you'll find a photo of either
of those three in body armor. Look at the old photos from the 80's,
they were all riding rigid bikes and hauling ass, sans body armor.
Twist it any way you want, you're still taking the wimpy "instant
gratification" road.

As an afterthought, I'd wager that at least one of them still hauls ass
on hardtail bikes and doesn't wear body armor while doing so. If you'd
care to put your money where your mouth is, you would LOSE.

JD

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<snip same tired diatribe>

yep...whatever youy say....

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Quoted message said:

Marz said:

I linked to Tomac's picture because JD the wonder child suggested that
awesome riders like John ride without armour.

In their heyday (80's-mid 90's), I doubt you'll find a photo of either
of those three in body armor.

so whats your point?

Look at the old photos from the 80's,

Quoted message said:

they were all riding rigid bikes and hauling ass, sans body armor.
Twist it any way you want, you're still taking the wimpy "instant
gratification" road.

then they used their brains...something you obviously have no idea how to
do...

Quoted message said:

As an afterthought, I'd wager that at least one of them still hauls ass
on hardtail bikes and doesn't wear body armor while doing so. If you'd
care to put your money where your mouth is, you would LOSE.

JD

again, what's your point, and more importantly WHO GIVES A [censored]?

Quoted message said:

Marz said:

Bill Sornson said:

Marz said:

I thought I'd a quick bit of research and guess what, a picture of
John Tomac pushing the limits winning the Kamikaze in 2004 while
wearing, yep you guessed it, body armour.

http://www.mbaction.com/archive/johntomackamikaze.jpg

Funny, I thought the subject was plastic courage for *XC* riding?

Bill "although there is the old question of why Kamikaze /pilots/ wore
helmets" S.

Not for XC, but for All Mountain or what ever the catch phase is this
month. I used the term extreme XC to cover the type of riding I do down
here. With very few managed bike trails in Trinidad ( less than 10miles
) most iof my riding is along hiking or farm trails which require a
combination of ride, push, carry and climb to get up and a whole buinch
of ohshitohshitohshit to get down. Plus I usualy ride alone and out in
the middle of nowhere (beyond cell phone coverage) and after my last
fall I had to ride the last 4 miles of trail home with a broken left
hand which ment reduced control and no rear brake.

You're dreadfully mistaken if you think that any of that armor is going
to prevent a ride ending injury. You may avoid some nasty stitches
and/or bruises but none of that stuff is going to save you from broken
bones.

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

G.T. said:

Marz said:

Bill Sornson said:

Marz wrote:

> I thought I'd a quick bit of research and guess what, a picture of
> John Tomac pushing the limits winning the Kamikaze in 2004 while
> wearing, yep you guessed it, body armour.
>
> http://www.mbaction.com/archive/johntomackamikaze.jpg
Funny, I thought the subject was plastic courage for *XC* riding?

Bill "although there is the old question of why Kamikaze /pilots/ wore
helmets" S.

Not for XC, but for All Mountain or what ever the catch phase is this
month. I used the term extreme XC to cover the type of riding I do down
here. With very few managed bike trails in Trinidad ( less than 10miles
) most iof my riding is along hiking or farm trails which require a
combination of ride, push, carry and climb to get up and a whole buinch
of ohshitohshitohshit to get down. Plus I usualy ride alone and out in
the middle of nowhere (beyond cell phone coverage) and after my last
fall I had to ride the last 4 miles of trail home with a broken left
hand which ment reduced control and no rear brake.

You're dreadfully mistaken if you think that any of that armor is going
to prevent a ride ending injury. You may avoid some nasty stitches
and/or bruises but none of that stuff is going to save you from broken
bones.

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

No, I don't think any armour would have saved me from breaking my hand
in my last fall, but I do think that it may have help lessen the
injurys I received to my elbow, a bash and deep scratch. Which
strangely enough has turned out to be the worst injury.

Happy Christmas,

Marz

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Quoted message said:

G.T. said:

Marz said:

Bill Sornson wrote:

> Marz wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd a quick bit of research and guess what, a picture of
>> John Tomac pushing the limits winning the Kamikaze in 2004 while
>> wearing, yep you guessed it, body armour.
>>
>> http://www.mbaction.com/archive/johntomackamikaze.jpg
> Funny, I thought the subject was plastic courage for *XC* riding?
>
> Bill "although there is the old question of why Kamikaze /pilots/ wore
> helmets" S.

Not for XC, but for All Mountain or what ever the catch phase is this
month. I used the term extreme XC to cover the type of riding I do down
here. With very few managed bike trails in Trinidad ( less than 10miles
) most iof my riding is along hiking or farm trails which require a
combination of ride, push, carry and climb to get up and a whole buinch
of ohshitohshitohshit to get down. Plus I usualy ride alone and out in
the middle of nowhere (beyond cell phone coverage) and after my last
fall I had to ride the last 4 miles of trail home with a broken left
hand which ment reduced control and no rear brake.

You're dreadfully mistaken if you think that any of that armor is going
to prevent a ride ending injury. You may avoid some nasty stitches
and/or bruises but none of that stuff is going to save you from broken
bones.

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

No, I don't think any armour would have saved me from breaking my hand
in my last fall, but I do think that it may have help lessen the
injurys I received to my elbow, a bash and deep scratch. Which
strangely enough has turned out to be the worst injury.

Happy Christmas,

Marz

nope, won't protect agains't broken bones, but will protect againt road
rash, cuts, scraps and dis-location...I know my knee would have been riding
above my calf ON THE SAME SIDE had I not had it on! Do what you want, and
say what you will but if it keeps a rider riding, than I have ZERO problem
with it, and those that do are just foolish...period.

Dave

Per G.T.:

Quoted message said:

You're dreadfully mistaken if you think that any of that armor is going
to prevent a ride ending injury. You may avoid some nasty stitches
and/or bruises but none of that stuff is going to save you from broken
bones.

Couple years back I had a ride-ending knee puncture that shin guards/knee pads
would have prevented 100%.
--
PeteCresswell

Bill Sornson said:

Marz said:

I thought I'd a quick bit of research and guess what, a picture of
John Tomac pushing the limits winning the Kamikaze in 2004 while
wearing, yep you guessed it, body armour.

http://www.mbaction.com/archive/johntomackamikaze.jpg

Funny, I thought the subject was plastic courage for *XC* riding?

Bill "although there is the old question of why Kamikaze /pilots/ wore
helmets" S.

Sake my man! :-)

daddy said:

Bill Sornson said:

Marz said:

I thought I'd a quick bit of research and guess what, a picture of
John Tomac pushing the limits winning the Kamikaze in 2004 while
wearing, yep you guessed it, body armour.

http://www.mbaction.com/archive/johntomackamikaze.jpg

Funny, I thought the subject was plastic courage for *XC* riding?

Bill "although there is the old question of why Kamikaze /pilots/
wore helmets" S.

Sake my man! :-)

The helmets were vomit receptacles?

Marz said:

JD said:

Marz said:

I linked to Tomac's picture because JD the wonder child suggested that
awesome riders like John ride without armour.

In their heyday (80's-mid 90's), I doubt you'll find a photo of either
of those three in body armor. Look at the old photos from the 80's,
they were all riding rigid bikes and hauling ass, sans body armor.
Twist it any way you want, you're still taking the wimpy "instant
gratification" road.

As an afterthought, I'd wager that at least one of them still hauls ass
on hardtail bikes and doesn't wear body armor while doing so. If you'd
care to put your money where your mouth is, you would LOSE.

JD

Back in the 80 and mid 90s, nobody was ridding the stuff being ridden
today and if they were then they picked their way through rock gardens
using huge skill and poise and not trying to blast over them at full
speed.

You have no friggin' idea, do you, neophyte?

Quoted message said:

Does it require less skill to ride quickly and smoothly over a
pile of rocks than to find a line through them and ride that line with
out falling?

Without the skill to pick a line at any speed, you suck. However,
being able to pick a line at slower speeds and use that skill to ride
"bigger" as the speeds increase is what makes a skilled rider. If you
don't have the slow speed skills to begin with, you are just another
dipshit on a bike. If you have attained skill through dilligence and
natural ability, you don't need to worry about encasing yourself in
plastic every time you ride.

Again, the problem is with the media and instant gratification it
sells. Any dumbass can buy full suspension and a Darth Vader suit,
jack up the trails on their "bought" skills and then threaten access
for everyone on a bicycle. You must live in one friggin' small world
if you can't see this happening.

Quoted message said:

No, different skill sets and different styles in riding,
both required by the complete mtber.

If you think that handling skills and being able to pick a line at
lower speeds aren't immediately transferable to higher speeds, then you
are just as retarded as the mtbidiots bunch. More dollar signs for
those who feed off of the fear of pussies on bicycles.

JD

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Ok so I fell 3 weeks ago. Broken hand (almost fine again) and badly
bruised and swollen elbow. The elbow injury led to an burst bursa (some
gland at the elbow) and possibly a touch of gout. A large amount of
swelling and pain which went down after two huge antibiotic injections
and a course of pills.
I've got about another 3 weeks before I can ride again and the wife
wants to know what I'm going to do about avoiding a similiar accident
again (this was my first big crash in 5 years and the one before that
was on the road). She'd be very happy if I took up golf or maybe
squash, but I like mtbing, a lot. I also like taking my 6 inch travel
all mountain baby up and down any trail I can find; picking my way
across a jumble of rocks and roots is half the fun.

Anyway, my question is, is body armour only for mad down hill and free
riders or is it ok for all mountain rides or extreme xc'ers to wear it
too?

Laters,

Marz

Kind of a silly question to ask, my man. Ask yourself a question. If there
were a .01% chance of you getting a career ending injury riding 100x a year,
would you pay, let's say, $500 for body armor which would diminish those
chances to .0001%? If you care more about what [censored] like JD think than
about your own safety, that's your call. Also, ask yourself what the true
cost of an injury would be if it prevented you from working for 3 months,
or 6 months, or... forever.

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"Marz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ok so I fell 3 weeks ago. Broken hand (almost fine again) and badly
bruised and swollen elbow. The elbow injury led to an burst bursa (some
gland at the elbow) and possibly a touch of gout. A large amount of
swelling and pain which went down after two huge antibiotic injections
and a course of pills.
I've got about another 3 weeks before I can ride again and the wife
wants to know what I'm going to do about avoiding a similiar accident
again (this was my first big crash in 5 years and the one before that
was on the road). She'd be very happy if I took up golf or maybe
squash, but I like mtbing, a lot. I also like taking my 6 inch travel
all mountain baby up and down any trail I can find; picking my way
across a jumble of rocks and roots is half the fun.

Anyway, my question is, is body armour only for mad down hill and free
riders or is it ok for all mountain rides or extreme xc'ers to wear it
too?

Laters,

Marz

Kind of a silly question to ask, my man. Ask yourself a question. If there
were a .01% chance of you getting a career ending injury riding 100x a
year, would you pay, let's say, $500 for body armor which would diminish
those chances to .0001%? If you care more about what [censored] like JD
think than about your own safety, that's your call. Also, ask yourself
what the true cost of an injury would be if it prevented you from working
for 3 months, or 6 months, or... forever.

There ya' go! I especially enjoyed the '[censored]" reference

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Quoted message said:

Mack The Kneophyte said:

Kind of a silly question to ask, my man. Ask yourself a question. If
there
were a .01% chance of you getting a career ending injury riding 100x a
year,
would you pay, let's say, $500 for body armor which would diminish those
chances to .0001%? If you care more about what [censored] like JD think
than
about your own safety, that's your call. Also, ask yourself what the true
cost of an injury would be if it prevented you from working for 3 months,
or 6 months, or... forever.

With pussified thinking like that, it's a wonder this country (and
others) aren't full of shut-ins who are afraid of their own friggin'
shadow. Don't drive, or the odds are higher that you will be killed or
injured!

Go spend your money on marketing hype for instant gratification.
Someone has to put food on those scam artists' plates. Just don't let
me catch you being a jackass on the trail in front of me. No [censored]
armor will save you from the taunting I will give you and if you don't
go away, I shall taunt you a second time!

Now go back to the gym or wherever it is you fell out of to act stylish
or whatever it is you do on a bike, newb:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.mountain-bike/msg/f3c0d7243afa170d?dmode=source&hl=en

JD 2002=newb

lol, how old are you?

G.T. said:

You may avoid some nasty stitches

Don't underrate this. If you have health insurance as good as mine,
this makes the armor basically free.

Even my well-insured friend spent $600 on stitches last time she
crashed. Armor for that particular body part costs around $30.

-Beej