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  1. So, anyone have any experience with these?

    http://www.blueskycycling.com/cat-protective-gear.htm

    I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit"
    together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,
    shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!

    I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple turtleneck...that,
    and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!

    So how good is body armor in general? Are they like helmets, a one-use
    affair? (Not likely, but hey, what do I know.) Think of your worst
    bike accident ever. Would armor have helped you any?

    And where can I get them chrome German helmets? Want 'em in chrome
    since that's so damned reflective -- and of course I'd only use them in
    winter time.

    BTW, any of y'all use balaclavas like this from Outdoor Research? It's
    so neat:
    http://orgear.com/home/style/home/headware/cold_hats/balaclavas/85130.

  2. NYC XYZ said:

    So, anyone have any experience with these?

    http://www.blueskycycling.com/cat-protective-gear.htm

    I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit"
    together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,
    shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!

    I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple turtleneck...that,
    and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!

    So how good is body armor in general? Are they like helmets, a one-use
    affair? (Not likely, but hey, what do I know.) Think of your worst
    bike accident ever. Would armor have helped you any?

    And where can I get them chrome German helmets? Want 'em in chrome
    since that's so damned reflective -- and of course I'd only use them in
    winter time.

    BTW, any of y'all use balaclavas like this from Outdoor Research? It's
    so neat:
    http://orgear.com/home/style/home/headware/cold_hats/balaclavas/85130.


    Very silly. Body armour will not protect you in the least from being
    collected by 1.5 tonnes of metal doing whatever speed, you will be very
    very dead. The army-style helmets are designed to protect your nut from
    shrapnel-type fragments, not cushion it when it hits the ground or
    something equally solid, hard. If you don't like your inherent
    vulnerability, you have no alternative but to become a cager yourself
    with your own land barge. Which of course sucks.
    Cheers,

  3. ray said:
    NYC XYZ said:

    So, anyone have any experience with these?

    http://www.blueskycycling.com/cat-protective-gear.htm

    I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit"
    together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,
    shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!

    I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple
    turtleneck...that, and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!

    So how good is body armor in general? Are they like helmets, a
    one-use affair? (Not likely, but hey, what do I know.) Think of
    your worst bike accident ever. Would armor have helped you any?

    And where can I get them chrome German helmets? Want 'em in chrome
    since that's so damned reflective -- and of course I'd only use them
    in winter time.

    BTW, any of y'all use balaclavas like this from Outdoor Research? It's so
    neat:
    http://orgear.com/home/style/home/headware/cold_hats/balaclavas/85130.


    Very silly. Body armour will not protect you in the least from being
    collected by 1.5 tonnes of metal doing whatever speed, you will be
    very very dead. The army-style helmets are designed to protect your
    nut from shrapnel-type fragments, not cushion it when it hits the
    ground or something equally solid, hard. If you don't like your
    inherent vulnerability, you have no alternative but to become a cager
    yourself with your own land barge. Which of course sucks.
    Cheers,

    Cager? This is bicycles we're talking about, buddy.
    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  4. Phil said:
    ray said:
    NYC XYZ said:

    So, anyone have any experience with these?

    http://www.blueskycycling.com/cat-protective-gear.htm

    I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit"
    together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,
    shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!

    I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple
    turtleneck...that, and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!

    So how good is body armor in general? Are they like helmets, a
    one-use affair? (Not likely, but hey, what do I know.) Think of
    your worst bike accident ever. Would armor have helped you any?

    And where can I get them chrome German helmets? Want 'em in chrome
    since that's so damned reflective -- and of course I'd only use them
    in winter time.

    BTW, any of y'all use balaclavas like this from Outdoor Research? It's so
    neat:
    http://orgear.com/home/style/home/headware/cold_hats/balaclavas/85130.

    Very silly. Body armour will not protect you in the least from being
    collected by 1.5 tonnes of metal doing whatever speed, you will be
    very very dead. The army-style helmets are designed to protect your
    nut from shrapnel-type fragments, not cushion it when it hits the
    ground or something equally solid, hard. If you don't like your
    inherent vulnerability, you have no alternative but to become a cager
    yourself with your own land barge. Which of course sucks.
    Cheers,

    Cager? This is bicycles we're talking about, buddy.

    I have seen body armor for really hard core cyclists who expect serious
    off road spills. It is meant to protect the chest, ribs, elbows, knees,
    head, and other obvious places from the worst injuries. It won't do a
    damn bit off good against a semi or cager or going off a 200 foot cliff
    but that is not what it is meant for. I only saw this on a hi tech
    science special about a week ago so I can't give an URL or a good
    reference to it. It is not full coverage like a Kevlar bullet proof vest
    but meant to protect the soft spot against nasty crashes.
    You will have to Google it for your self, if it even is Google able.
    Bill Baka

  5. NYC XYZ said:

    So how good is body armor in general?

    Compare and contrast ice skaters... people doing serious roughty tufty
    stuff (hockey) use body armour and helmets, people doing stuff where the
    odd collision and spill with others involved in a heap is likely (short
    track) wear helmets, people who don't fall over much, and/or don't have
    much chance of banging their head (speed, recreational & and figure)
    don't wear anything except the minimum to keep off cold and wind.

    Similarly with bikes, mad downhill MTB: body armour; technical trails
    MTB, racing in packs: helmet; typical use, no need for anything.

    An addendum is that 'bent racers on lowracers are often seen wearing
    elbow guards. I use skaters' wrist guards on my unicycle. And if
    you're worried about slipping off on ice in winter then don't get body
    armour, get a trike...

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  6. NYC XYZ said:

    So, anyone have any experience with these?

    http://www.blueskycycling.com/cat-protective-gear.htm

    I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit"
    together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,
    shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!

    I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple turtleneck...that,
    and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!

    So how good is body armor in general? Are they like helmets, a one-use
    affair? (Not likely, but hey, what do I know.) Think of your worst
    bike accident ever. Would armor have helped you any?

    And where can I get them chrome German helmets? Want 'em in chrome
    since that's so damned reflective -- and of course I'd only use them in
    winter time.

    BTW, any of y'all use balaclavas like this from Outdoor Research? It's
    so neat:
    http://orgear.com/home/style/home/headware/cold_hats/balaclavas/85130.

    I doubt that gear would help guard against major injury in a tangle
    with a car, but it sure would help if say you lost it trying to jump
    down a flight of stairs!

    Gear like that could make wipe outs fun! I imagine it makes things like
    scrapes and bruises a non-issue. I know I'd try a lot more crazy stuff
    if I had some.

    But it might also give a false sense of security. One time I was riding
    my track bike (no brake) to a friend's house to deliver a full-face
    motorcross helmet he was going to borrow. Naturally I wore the helmet.
    I felt invulnerable, which of course I was not. Happily I did not prove
    my invulnerability, but I had to make an effort to keep my cool.

    I like the idea of just a turtleneck over the gear. Tight and black.
    Make you look like a short-track speed-skater. The Robo-cop look might
    catch on if you've got the physique... ;-)

    Joseph

  7. On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:02:16 +1100, ray <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Very silly.

    For some times of use -- certain types of mountain biking and BMX,
    this stuff makes sense -- it'll protect against common bangs and
    bruises.

    JT

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  8. NYC XYZ said:

    So, anyone have any experience with these?

    http://www.blueskycycling.com/cat-protective-gear.htm

    I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit"
    together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,
    shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!

    I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple turtleneck...that,
    and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!

    Yikes, what sort of insane riding do you do - but - only ride like that in the
    winter? In the summer you pedal along multi use trails - but cold weather brings
    out the downhill animal?

    I don't get it.

    Ron

  9. Peter Clinch said:


    <SNIP>

    An addendum is that 'bent racers on lowracers are often seen wearing
    elbow guards. I use skaters' wrist guards on my unicycle.

    You know, I was wondering about that, too...I'd use 'em for normal
    riding, when I use the rest of my equipment, but I wonder if they
    interfere much with grasping handlebars, etc.

    Quoted message said:

    And if
    you're worried about slipping off on ice in winter then don't get body
    armour, get a trike...

    Yeah, but I want to ride on city streets, too. But I've definitely got
    an interest in trikes, particularly for riding around in the snow (with
    studded Nokia tires, thick and fat!)...just don't want to get myself
    all excited right now...!

    Quoted message said:

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  10. Quoted message said:

    I doubt that gear would help guard against major injury in a tangle
    with a car, but it sure would help if say you lost it trying to jump
    down a flight of stairs!

    Gear like that could make wipe outs fun! I imagine it makes things like
    scrapes and bruises a non-issue. I know I'd try a lot more crazy stuff
    if I had some.

    But it might also give a false sense of security. One time I was riding
    my track bike (no brake) to a friend's house to deliver a full-face
    motorcross helmet he was going to borrow. Naturally I wore the helmet.
    I felt invulnerable, which of course I was not. Happily I did not prove
    my invulnerability, but I had to make an effort to keep my cool.

    Yeah, I sooooo know what you mean!! Luckily, I'm starting to mellow
    out these days...that's why I'm doing 'bents!

    Quoted message said:

    I like the idea of just a turtleneck over the gear. Tight and black.

    Actually, I just didn't want to be so conspicuous (body armor riding a
    'bent????) and thought it would keep me warm, too.

    Quoted message said:

    Make you look like a short-track speed-skater. The Robo-cop look might
    catch on if you've got the physique... ;-)

    Yeah, I got the physique:

    http://tulsa.craigslist.org/m4w/136014026.html

    Quoted message said:

    Joseph

  11. RonSonic said:

    Yikes, what sort of insane riding do you do - but - only ride like that in the
    winter? In the summer you pedal along multi use trails - but cold weather brings
    out the downhill animal?

    I don't get it.

    Ron

    Oh, actually, I x-posted to the MTB NG 'cause I thought y'all would
    have some particular insight. I'll actually be riding a 'bent, a
    recumbent!

    This set-up would be much too hot in summertime, but in the winter I
    figure it could also help keep me warm. I was just wondering as to its
    true efficacy. I've taken my share of MTB spills in my time, but never
    used body armor. Now, with a herniated vertebra, I'm a lot more
    conscious of these things, you see.

  12. NYC XYZ wrote:
    [elbow guards]

    Quoted message said:

    You know, I was wondering about that, too...I'd use 'em for normal
    riding, when I use the rest of my equipment, but I wonder if they
    interfere much with grasping handlebars, etc.

    No particular problems with elbow pads (or a shinpad on the forearm is
    also sometimes seen), but they're just a PITA to put on and off every
    time you're on a bike and they're less comfortable than when they're not
    there. Wristguards limit manual dexterity a fair bit, I can't think why
    I'd want them on the 'bent.

    People get killed and injured every day using stairs or just tripping
    over on pavement, but nobody much seems to feel a need for armour to do
    that. Same /should/ apply to bikes.

    Quoted message said:

    Yeah, but I want to ride on city streets, too.

    So it's okay to fall off a bike in the city, but not to use a trike?
    Sorry, not with your reasoning there!

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  13. Peter Clinch said:

    No particular problems with elbow pads (or a shinpad on the forearm is
    also sometimes seen), but they're just a PITA to put on and off every
    time you're on a bike and they're less comfortable than when they're not
    there. Wristguards limit manual dexterity a fair bit, I can't think why
    I'd want them on the 'bent.

    The only issue I could think of having with any body armor is the
    much-increased heat during summertime. But wristguards, unless they
    hamper handling, I'd thought of since the instinct of just about any
    fall is to reach for the ground with one's hands.

    Quoted message said:

    People get killed and injured every day using stairs or just tripping
    over on pavement, but nobody much seems to feel a need for armour to do
    that. Same /should/ apply to bikes.

    Yeah, I know, and I feel the same way about helmets myself. But, heck,
    if all these damned club rides are gonna insist on 'em, then why not go
    whole-hog...it'd suck if I had a helmet on but broke my arm instead!
    And this body armor is surprisingly cheap (of course, it's just
    plastic, too), so I was like, hmm, why not, could keep me warm in
    winter too, besides...!

    Quoted message said:

    So it's okay to fall off a bike in the city, but not to use a trike?
    Sorry, not with your reasoning there!

    The trike is typically wider, it seems, and even lower...if you know
    NYC you'd see how impractical it is, unfortunately. It can be done,
    but it can be done much more easily by bike, even with a 'bent!

    Quoted message said:

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  14. On 1 Mar 2006 21:02:54 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    So, anyone have any experience with these?

    http://www.blueskycycling.com/cat-protective-gear.htm

    I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit"
    together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,
    shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!

    I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple turtleneck...that,
    and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!

    The intended use is for protection against impacts with rocks and such
    when the rider takes a spill in a downhill run. It's poor or no
    protection against vehicle hits, but might help if you ride and spill
    a lot when the streets are icy. Personally, I wouldn't bother; if
    it's that slippery, I'm staying put.

    Quoted message said:

    So how good is body armor in general?

    For their intended use, they can be worthwhile. On the street in NYC,
    I think it's likely to attract EBWF wannabe attention, which would
    produce exactly the opposite result from what you want.

    Quoted message said:

    Are they like helmets, a one-use
    affair? (Not likely, but hey, what do I know.)

    For their intended use, ordinarily, no.

    Quoted message said:

    Think of your worst
    bike accident ever. Would armor have helped you any?

    No.

    Quoted message said:

    And where can I get them chrome German helmets? Want 'em in chrome
    since that's so damned reflective -- and of course I'd only use them in
    winter time.

    A plain stahlhelm can be had from a number of sources online, and
    usually costs about $50 to get chromed, after which you get to rivet
    that support stuff back in. (No, I will not sell you mine.) They
    make rotten riding gear. Hot in the summer, cold in the winter,
    heavy, and terrible protection from impact with large objects.

    Quoted message said:

    BTW, any of y'all use balaclavas like this from Outdoor Research? It's
    so neat:
    http://orgear.com/home/style/home/headware/cold_hats/balaclavas/85130.

    It seldom gets that cold here, sorry.
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  15. NYC XYZ said:

    The only issue I could think of having with any body armor is the
    much-increased heat during summertime.

    Not just in summer. Armour is not typically very air-permeable so you'd
    find it very sweaty any time other than bitter cold if you were doing
    anything approaching work. It's only for using in places where comfort
    is a total non-issue (i.e., downhill MTB).

    Quoted message said:

    But wristguards, unless they
    hamper handling, I'd thought of since the instinct of just about any
    fall is to reach for the ground with one's hands.

    Then wear them the whole time... that's a ridiculous suggestion, you
    know they're not worth it, even though people break their wrists in
    falls. Do you use them at the moment on other bikes? If not, why start
    now? After all, you're closer to the ground to start with so there's
    less energy to take.

    By all means try them, but I'll practically guarantee you don't use them
    for long. I'd save the money, unless you're going skating on rough
    pavement or think you'll take up unicycling.

    Quoted message said:

    Yeah, I know, and I feel the same way about helmets myself. But, heck,
    if all these damned club rides are gonna insist on 'em, then why not go
    whole-hog...

    Because the "whole hog" is expensive (much more expensive than not
    buying it), unnecessary and uncomfortable, and probably won't do you any
    good.

    Quoted message said:

    it'd suck if I had a helmet on but broke my arm instead!

    First up, body armour is not proof against breaking an arm. What it
    will tend to help with is punctures and lacerations, breaks are simply
    energy that overloads the bones, and while you may well save broken ribs
    with an armoured vest in a whole-body wipeout, if your arm tries to take
    a load that's too much for it, it'll break even with armour.

    Second up, that argument can be carried any distance. Are you wearing
    protective glasses? If not, what if a bee hits you in the eye at 20
    mph, or what if a stone thrown up from a car does the same. So you'll
    need glasses. And what if you swallow a wasp? Best wear a facemask.
    And you'll need some heavy boots as well. And so on, and so on. If
    you're going to be paranoid, get a car.

    Third up, the same arguments apply to walking. Cycling is comparably
    dangerous to being a pedestrian in terms of serious injuries, so
    anything you feel you should wear on a bike will apply to cycling. You
    can break your arms or head on stairs, you probably use stairs quite
    often, so are you wearing them there? Fact is that An Average Cyclist
    negotiates the roads without any special protective equipment, just as
    the average pedestrian does.

    Quoted message said:

    And this body armor is surprisingly cheap (of course, it's just
    plastic, too), so I was like, hmm, why not, could keep me warm in
    winter too, besides...!

    There's comfortably warm, with breathable clothes that let vapour from
    sweat escape, and there's uncormfortably warm where it all gets a bit
    sticky and smelly. Body armour will be the latter.

    Quoted message said:

    The trike is typically wider, it seems, and even lower...if you know
    NYC you'd see how impractical it is, unfortunately. It can be done,
    but it can be done much more easily by bike, even with a 'bent!

    But to ride a bike optimally safely on roads takes typically just as
    much room as a trike, and if it's icy then it needs a lot /more/ room
    than a trike, because you need enough space to fall off in. I prefer
    bikes as they're more practical for me more of the time, but if the road
    is icy a trike (held in addition to the bike) is a better answer.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  16. Werehatrack said:

    The intended use is for protection against impacts with rocks and such
    when the rider takes a spill in a downhill run. It's poor or no
    protection against vehicle hits, but might help if you ride and spill
    a lot when the streets are icy. Personally, I wouldn't bother; if
    it's that slippery, I'm staying put.

    Well of course it's no use against cars; I'm surprised people keep
    bringing that up!

    Thing I'm curious about is whether they "really work" -- think of your
    worst-ever bike accident: would body armor have helped any?

    Quoted message said:

    For their intended use, they can be worthwhile. On the street in NYC,
    I think it's likely to attract EBWF wannabe attention, which would
    produce exactly the opposite result from what you want.

    What's EBWF?

    Quoted message said:

    <SNIP>

    A plain stahlhelm can be had from a number of sources online, and
    usually costs about $50 to get chromed, after which you get to rivet
    that support stuff back in. (No, I will not sell you mine.) They
    make rotten riding gear. Hot in the summer, cold in the winter,
    heavy, and terrible protection from impact with large objects.

    Well, definitely not "Stahl" (steel), but that type, yes. I'll be
    wearing a balaclava in winter, anyway -- Outdoor Research's excellent
    excellent Gorilla Balaclava, which is user-customizable -- but I
    thought the reflective chrome would be a modest safety feature.

    But if they don't offer impact protection...then it's out of the
    question! I find it odd, however, that a steel helmet should offer
    less than a styrofoam one?!?!?!???

    Quoted message said:

    It seldom gets that cold here, sorry.

    What's your 20?

    Quoted message said:

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  17. NYC XYZ said:

    So, anyone have any experience with these?

    http://www.blueskycycling.com/cat-protective-gear.htm

    I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit"
    together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,
    shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!

    Try picking up some used hockey equipment. Probably just as good and
    you should be able to get it a lot cheaper. Of course, there is the
    problem that hockey and football equimpment probably increase injury
    rates but oh well.
    John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

  18. Phil said:
    ray said:
    NYC XYZ said:

    So, anyone have any experience with these?

    http://www.blueskycycling.com/cat-protective-gear.htm

    I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit"
    together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,
    shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!

    I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple
    turtleneck...that, and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!

    So how good is body armor in general? Are they like helmets, a
    one-use affair? (Not likely, but hey, what do I know.) Think of
    your worst bike accident ever. Would armor have helped you any?

    And where can I get them chrome German helmets? Want 'em in chrome
    since that's so damned reflective -- and of course I'd only use them
    in winter time.

    BTW, any of y'all use balaclavas like this from Outdoor Research? It's so
    neat:
    http://orgear.com/home/style/home/headware/cold_hats/balaclavas/85130.

    Very silly. Body armour will not protect you in the least from being
    collected by 1.5 tonnes of metal doing whatever speed, you will be
    very very dead. The army-style helmets are designed to protect your
    nut from shrapnel-type fragments, not cushion it when it hits the
    ground or something equally solid, hard. If you don't like your
    inherent vulnerability, you have no alternative but to become a cager
    yourself with your own land barge. Which of course sucks.
    Cheers,

    Cager? This is bicycles we're talking about, buddy.

    I take it you just skimmed the OP's paragraph?

    Greg

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    Revelries of dance and wine
    Waking to the sound of laughter
    Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

  19. NYC XYZ said:
    RonSonic said:


    Yikes, what sort of insane riding do you do - but - only ride like that in the
    winter? In the summer you pedal along multi use trails - but cold weather brings
    out the downhill animal?

    I don't get it.

    Ron

    Oh, actually, I x-posted to the MTB NG 'cause I thought y'all would
    have some particular insight.

    No, you cross-posted to a.m-b because you're a troll.

    Greg

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  20. On 2 Mar 2006 08:46:10 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Thing I'm curious about is whether they "really work" -- think of your
    worst-ever bike accident: would body armor have helped any?

    No. Abrasions and minor bruises were not the issue.

    Quoted message said:
    Werehatrack said:

    For their intended use, they can be worthwhile. On the street in NYC,
    I think it's likely to attract EBWF wannabe attention, which would
    produce exactly the opposite result from what you want.

    What's EBWF?

    Extreme Backyard Wrestling F(fill in your preferred word ending here).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A plain stahlhelm can be had from a number of sources online, and
    usually costs about $50 to get chromed, after which you get to rivet
    that support stuff back in. (No, I will not sell you mine.) They
    make rotten riding gear. Hot in the summer, cold in the winter,
    heavy, and terrible protection from impact with large objects.

    Well, definitely not "Stahl" (steel), but that type, yes.

    To chrome it, you must have steel. There is no other choice. (Well,
    there is, but do you want to pay for the extra steps to polish and
    prep a nonmetallic surface for chroming? It often triples the cost,
    if you can even find a shop that will try.)

    Quoted message said:

    I'll be
    wearing a balaclava in winter, anyway -- Outdoor Research's excellent
    excellent Gorilla Balaclava, which is user-customizable -- but I
    thought the reflective chrome would be a modest safety feature.

    Nope. It's the other way around. Chrome is almost camo in most
    settings; it reflects the background, and blends in amazingly well.
    How many times have you been in a room that had an entire wall that
    was a mirror, and not realized there was a wall present? There's a
    reason why road crews wear blaze orange or that new fluoroputrescent
    green. To be visible, be *different*. Reflection guarantees that
    you'll look largely the same as the surroundings.

    Quoted message said:

    But if they don't offer impact protection...then it's out of the
    question! I find it odd, however, that a steel helmet should offer
    less than a styrofoam one?!?!?!???

    It absorbs none of the impact, transmitting all of it through. It has
    knobby bits on the inside where the support stuff attaches. The only
    thing it may help with is distribution of force in the case of a
    localized impact, as from the prow of an old Pontiac, but in that
    case, you're probably toast anyway.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It seldom gets that cold here, sorry.

    What's your 20?

    The cool, dry and wonderfully varied marvel known as Houston. (By
    comparison to Miami, where I grew up, it is all of the above.)
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