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  1. asterope said:
    LotteBum said:

    And you'd want to ride really frigging well to do it justice.

    Lotte (disc brakes are for sissies)


    or just never ever ever buy another mountain bike for the rest of your
    natural life...

    pah, a girl can dream cant she?

    Asterope (may be a sissy, but they are much better in the rain...)


    I'm not sure why LotteBum has such strong views against disc brakes - I love the
    brakes on my hybrid. But they did let me down once (while riding with
    LotteBum) on a long, VERY steep descent. The back disk was glowing red hot & had
    completely lost all breaking ability before I was half way down the slope
    (LotteBum didn't use her brakes at all, I suspect) - I think ordinary brakes
    would not have heated & failed that way. But the stopping power in normal
    circumstances, and especially in the wet, is awesome.

    And I ride in the wet far more often than I do horrendous descents. Maybe I'm
    getting old ...

    --
    Karen

    "Sometimes I think I have a Guardian Idiot - a little invisible spirit just
    behind my shoulder, looking out for me ... only he's an imbecile" - Jake Stonebender

  2. asterope said:

    or just never ever ever buy another mountain bike for the rest of your
    natural life...

    Bwahahahahahaha!

    Dave - who raced his newest bike on Saturday in appalling conditions, and
    was glad he'd taken that one.

    --
    Dave Hughes | [email hidden]
    "...and trogdor smote the kerrek. And all was laid to burnination."
    - Strongbad

  3. Dave Hughes said:
    asterope said:

    or just never ever ever buy another mountain bike for the rest of your
    natural life...

    Bwahahahahahaha!

    Dave - who raced his newest bike on Saturday in appalling conditions, and
    was glad he'd taken that one.

    Too right! How could you possibly stop at one???

    OK, we mightn't rack up the number Dave has/had, but one is never
    enough. Always remember, we're cyclists - N+1.

    Tony F
    <runs off, bent over, while holding base of samurai sword strapped to
    back to sounds of cheesy music>

  4. LotteBum said:

    Lotte (disc brakes are for sissies)

    Bah! They may not be perfect, but in every respect bar pad wear mine
    have been better than my Vs or cantis.

    Tony F
    who thinks Lotte might be trolling - and was hooked

  5. Duracell Bunny said:


    asterope said:
    LotteBum said:

    And you'd want to ride really frigging well to do it justice.

    Lotte (disc brakes are for sissies)


    or just never ever ever buy another mountain bike for the rest of your
    natural life...

    pah, a girl can dream cant she?

    Asterope (may be a sissy, but they are much better in the rain...)


    I'm not sure why LotteBum has such strong views against disc brakes - I love the
    brakes on my hybrid. But they did let me down once (while riding with
    LotteBum) on a long, VERY steep descent. The back disk was glowing red hot & had
    completely lost all breaking ability before I was half way down the slope
    (LotteBum didn't use her brakes at all, I suspect) - I think ordinary brakes
    would not have heated & failed that way. But the stopping power in normal
    circumstances, and especially in the wet, is awesome.

    And I ride in the wet far more often than I do horrendous descents. Maybe I'm
    getting old ...

    Very little trail in SEQ requires discs. Even I, as the
    ultimate MTB gumby, know this. Oh, unless you ride in the
    mud. Lotte and I get pretty sh!tty at people who ride when
    it's just been raining, as it really tears up the trails.
    Then MTBers start getting hassled by the environmental
    groups, we lose trail access to favourite areas, etc. We
    once went riding in Daisy one week after it stopped raining,
    and it was still a quagmire, and we won't do that again.

    T

  6. Tamyka Bell said:


    Very little trail in SEQ requires discs. Even I, as the
    ultimate MTB gumby, know this. Oh, unless you ride in the
    mud. Lotte and I get pretty sh!tty at people who ride when
    it's just been raining, as it really tears up the trails.
    Then MTBers start getting hassled by the environmental
    groups, we lose trail access to favourite areas, etc. We
    once went riding in Daisy one week after it stopped raining,
    and it was still a quagmire, and we won't do that again.

    T

    That depends on where you ride. I was riding in light rain (after heavy
    rain) saw several other riders (OK, the same guy several times on the
    same loop), yet there was no more evidence the track had been ridden
    than normal. This track's ideal for rain - sandstone based with lots of
    leaf litter. No mud at all. Other tracks I ride I wouldn't go near in
    the rain, because of the problems you describe.

    I guess you could say that no riding *requires* discs, but they're
    still better in more conditions. Ever ridden with no brakes because
    your front wheel was so out of true the pads kept jamming the rim? Not
    a problem with discs, as long as the wheel still turns in the
    forks/frame (might be wobbly, but still rideable). What about when you
    head out for a dry ride, and it rains on the ride home (I usually ride
    to and from trackheads)? Discs are more reliable in rain.

    Tony F

  7. thefathippy said:


    Tamyka Bell said:


    Very little trail in SEQ requires discs. Even I, as the
    ultimate MTB gumby, know this. Oh, unless you ride in the
    mud. Lotte and I get pretty sh!tty at people who ride when
    it's just been raining, as it really tears up the trails.
    Then MTBers start getting hassled by the environmental
    groups, we lose trail access to favourite areas, etc. We
    once went riding in Daisy one week after it stopped raining,
    and it was still a quagmire, and we won't do that again.

    T

    That depends on where you ride. I was riding in light rain (after heavy
    rain) saw several other riders (OK, the same guy several times on the
    same loop), yet there was no more evidence the track had been ridden
    than normal. This track's ideal for rain - sandstone based with lots of
    leaf litter. No mud at all. Other tracks I ride I wouldn't go near in
    the rain, because of the problems you describe.

    Yeah, hence my example of Daisy. There is no sandstone. Gap
    Ck drains pretty well and most of it is okay a few hours
    later.

    Quoted message said:

    I guess you could say that no riding *requires* discs, but they're
    still better in more conditions. Ever ridden with no brakes because
    your front wheel was so out of true the pads kept jamming the rim? Not
    a problem with discs, as long as the wheel still turns in the
    forks/frame (might be wobbly, but still rideable). What about when you
    head out for a dry ride, and it rains on the ride home (I usually ride
    to and from trackheads)? Discs are more reliable in rain.

    I don't ride to and from tracks because where I now live, it
    takes me about 60-90 minutes to get there. But if I was on a
    road bike, I wouldn't have discs, so I don't see any need to
    put them on the MTB. No, I have never ridden with no brakes
    because my front wheel was that out of true. If they were
    that out of true, I would true them. (More accurately, I'd
    get Paulie or Steven to true them 😉 )

    I think too many people just trust their discs, don't really
    know much about them, just assume they are better. Saw a
    woman at Daisy, putting her bike back on the car without
    riding, because her disc brake pad had fallen off at some
    point, just from sitting in the garage untouched for so
    long. Ain't seen that happen with a V.

    However, if I lived somewhere that it rained all the time, I
    would probably share your opinion. Here, if it rains, I wait
    a couple of days until it is dry and warm again. Wet is for
    running.

    Tam

  8. Tamyka Bell said:
    thefathippy said:


    Tamyka Bell said:


    Very little trail in SEQ requires discs. Even I, as the
    ultimate MTB gumby, know this. Oh, unless you ride in the
    mud. Lotte and I get pretty sh!tty at people who ride when
    it's just been raining, as it really tears up the trails.
    Then MTBers start getting hassled by the environmental
    groups, we lose trail access to favourite areas, etc. We
    once went riding in Daisy one week after it stopped raining,
    and it was still a quagmire, and we won't do that again.

    T

    That depends on where you ride. I was riding in light rain (after heavy
    rain) saw several other riders (OK, the same guy several times on the
    same loop), yet there was no more evidence the track had been ridden
    than normal. This track's ideal for rain - sandstone based with lots of
    leaf litter. No mud at all. Other tracks I ride I wouldn't go near in
    the rain, because of the problems you describe.

    Yeah, hence my example of Daisy. There is no sandstone. Gap
    Ck drains pretty well and most of it is okay a few hours
    later.

    Quoted message said:

    I guess you could say that no riding *requires* discs, but they're
    still better in more conditions. Ever ridden with no brakes because
    your front wheel was so out of true the pads kept jamming the rim? Not
    a problem with discs, as long as the wheel still turns in the
    forks/frame (might be wobbly, but still rideable). What about when you
    head out for a dry ride, and it rains on the ride home (I usually ride
    to and from trackheads)? Discs are more reliable in rain.

    I don't ride to and from tracks because where I now live, it
    takes me about 60-90 minutes to get there. But if I was on a
    road bike, I wouldn't have discs, so I don't see any need to
    put them on the MTB. No, I have never ridden with no brakes
    because my front wheel was that out of true. If they were
    that out of true, I would true them. (More accurately, I'd
    get Paulie or Steven to true them 😉 )

    ;^) but what if that they taco on a ride? I've seen a wheel so bad we
    had to belt it on the ground to get it back to wobbly, and the owner
    was still able to ride out, with brakes. With Vs, he'd have ridden and
    walked out - and we were coming to the downhill section, so he really
    needed brakes.

    Quoted message said:

    I think too many people just trust their discs, don't really
    know much about them, just assume they are better. Saw a
    woman at Daisy, putting her bike back on the car without
    riding, because her disc brake pad had fallen off at some
    point, just from sitting in the garage untouched for so
    long. Ain't seen that happen with a V.

    Ain't seen that happen either - fell out just sitting there? Sounds a
    bit hard to believe, frankly - I'm not doubting what you saw, but her
    explanation. My pads are usually hard to remove deliberately, let alone
    have them fall out accidentally. I'd blame poor maintenance, which can
    happen with Vs as well. I think the biggest risk is not checking how
    worn the pads are - Vs and cantis are much better in that respect.

    Quoted message said:

    However, if I lived somewhere that it rained all the time, I
    would probably share your opinion. Here, if it rains, I wait
    a couple of days until it is dry and warm again. Wet is for
    running.

    hehe - it certainly doesn't rain all the time near me (on edge of
    Warragamba catchment, which always misses out!), but I like the
    simplicity, power, modulation, saftey when it does rain, and ability to
    ride with wheels that have gone out of true during a ride. I guess that
    now I have stronger wheels, out of true is less of an issue - it used
    to be a major problem for me, given my lack of finesse. That said, I
    have arrived home and discovered a wobbly rear wheel from a broken
    spoke - which I hadn't even noticed while riding. With Vs, it's pretty
    obvious when your wheel gets the wobbles.

    Tony F
    who has Vs and discs on different bikes, and will soon have a combo on
    two bikes.

  9. thefathippy said:


    Tamyka Bell wrote:


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't ride to and from tracks because where I now live, it
    takes me about 60-90 minutes to get there. But if I was on a
    road bike, I wouldn't have discs, so I don't see any need to
    put them on the MTB. No, I have never ridden with no brakes
    because my front wheel was that out of true. If they were
    that out of true, I would true them. (More accurately, I'd
    get Paulie or Steven to true them 😉 )

    ;^) but what if that they taco on a ride? I've seen a wheel so bad we
    had to belt it on the ground to get it back to wobbly, and the owner
    was still able to ride out, with brakes. With Vs, he'd have ridden and
    walked out - and we were coming to the downhill section, so he really
    needed brakes.

    Yeah, that's not an issue for me. If it's steep, I just
    squeal lots, bail and walk down.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I think too many people just trust their discs, don't really
    know much about them, just assume they are better. Saw a
    woman at Daisy, putting her bike back on the car without
    riding, because her disc brake pad had fallen off at some
    point, just from sitting in the garage untouched for so
    long. Ain't seen that happen with a V.

    Ain't seen that happen either - fell out just sitting there? Sounds a
    bit hard to believe, frankly - I'm not doubting what you saw, but her
    explanation. My pads are usually hard to remove deliberately, let alone
    have them fall out accidentally. I'd blame poor maintenance, which can
    happen with Vs as well. I think the biggest risk is not checking how
    worn the pads are - Vs and cantis are much better in that respect.

    I think it was poor maintenance too, but she was just going
    to trust them. I think Vs are better for people like me in
    that respect. Lazy ones.

    Quoted message said:

    hehe - it certainly doesn't rain all the time near me (on edge of
    Warragamba catchment, which always misses out!), but I like the
    simplicity, power, modulation, saftey when it does rain, and ability to
    ride with wheels that have gone out of true during a ride. I guess that
    now I have stronger wheels, out of true is less of an issue - it used
    to be a major problem for me, given my lack of finesse. That said, I
    have arrived home and discovered a wobbly rear wheel from a broken
    spoke - which I hadn't even noticed while riding. With Vs, it's pretty
    obvious when your wheel gets the wobbles.

    Lack of finesse is something I have a masters in! But I'm a
    lightweight. Plus you have to actually be ON your bike to
    buckle your wheel...

    T

  10. thefathippy said:

    ;^) but what if that they taco on a ride? I've seen a wheel so bad we had to belt it on the ground to get it back to wobbly, and the owner was still able to ride out, with brakes. With Vs, he'd have ridden and walked out - and we were coming to the downhill section, so he really needed brakes.


    Aw the poor sod! I hope there was a lactating woman around too, so that he could latch on and have a feed.

    Lotte

  11. LotteBum said:
    thefathippy said:

    ;^) but what if that they taco on a ride? I've seen a wheel so bad we
    had to belt it on the ground to get it back to wobbly, and the owner
    was still able to ride out, with brakes. With Vs, he'd have ridden and
    walked out - and we were coming to the downhill section, so he really
    needed brakes.


    Aw the poor sod! I hope there was a lactating woman around too, so
    that he could latch on and have a feed.

    Lotte


    Ah, your all heart, Lotte 🙂

    Be gentle with me on Sunday ... if anyone's stupid enough to loan me their bike
    for a quick run!

    --
    Karen

    "Sometimes I think I have a Guardian Idiot - a little invisible spirit just
    behind my shoulder, looking out for me ... only he's an imbecile" - Jake Stonebender

  12. Duracell Bunny said:


    LotteBum said:
    thefathippy said:

    ;^) but what if that they taco on a ride? I've seen a wheel so bad we
    had to belt it on the ground to get it back to wobbly, and the owner
    was still able to ride out, with brakes. With Vs, he'd have ridden and
    walked out - and we were coming to the downhill section, so he really
    needed brakes.


    Aw the poor sod! I hope there was a lactating woman around too, so
    that he could latch on and have a feed.

    Lotte


    Ah, your all heart, Lotte 🙂

    Be gentle with me on Sunday ... if anyone's stupid enough to loan me their bike
    for a quick run!

    I reckon you should hire a bike for the occasion. Or borrow.
    Just so you can ride the entire time!

  13. LotteBum said:
    thefathippy said:

    ;^) but what if that they taco on a ride? I've seen a wheel so bad we
    had to belt it on the ground to get it back to wobbly, and the owner
    was still able to ride out, with brakes. With Vs, he'd have ridden and
    walked out - and we were coming to the downhill section, so he really
    needed brakes.


    Aw the poor sod! I hope there was a lactating woman around too, so
    that he could latch on and have a feed.

    Lotte

    Nup, and my man [censored] were a poor substitute!

    But we kept at it for a while anyway... ;^)

    Tony F

  14. thefathippy said:

    Nup, and my man [censored] were a poor substitute!

    But we kept at it for a while anyway... ;^)


    At least you gave it a shot.

    Lotte (all sympathy)

  15. I am sorry that I have disc brakes 🙁 .

    My non disc MTB only has one gear 😄 I will ride that on sunday me thinks

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