BMC Lake District map

Dominic Sexton said:

The BMC have joined forces with Harvey maps to produce a 1:40k
waterproof map of the Lake District.

Should be available soon. Sounds interesting.

Harveys have traditionally done the maps for the KIMM (don't know if
they still do, last one I did was over 10 years ago), and they were
1:40K, and very good they were too. I generally favour Harveys 1:40K
for upland walking areas. Their 1:25K are the same maps as far as
information goes but upscaled, I guess because the market perception is
that 1:40K isn't as good as 1:25K, but with no more info all you get is
a bigger, more unwieldy map to cover the same area <sigh>.

It had seemed that Harveys were deprecating the 1:40K, so I hope this is
a sign it'll be back in business across their range.

Pete.
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In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Dominic Sexton said:

The BMC have joined forces with Harvey maps to produce a 1:40k
waterproof map of the Lake District.
Should be available soon. Sounds interesting.

Harveys have traditionally done the maps for the KIMM (don't know if
they still do, last one I did was over 10 years ago), and they were
1:40K, and very good they were too. I generally favour Harveys 1:40K
for upland walking areas. Their 1:25K are the same maps as far as
information goes but upscaled, I guess because the market perception is
that 1:40K isn't as good as 1:25K, but with no more info all you get is
a bigger, more unwieldy map to cover the same area <sigh>.

It had seemed that Harveys were deprecating the 1:40K, so I hope this
is a sign it'll be back in business across their range.

I have one ex KIMM 1:40K map and bought a few of their 1:25K jobs but
was not overly impressed that they were just scaled up. I will
definitely get myself one of these and will await any other new areas
with interest.

--

Dominic Sexton

I`ve just bought the the Harveys lake district atlas
http://www.harveymaps.co.uk/acatalog/Outdoor_Atlas.html
which seems ideal. All the lakes on one map, easy to manage in wind and
waterproof. Only used for a shortish walk so far but seems okay.
Steve Crossley

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Quoted message said:

I`ve just bought the the Harveys lake district atlas
http://www.harveymaps.co.uk/acatalog/Outdoor_Atlas.html
which seems ideal. All the lakes on one map, easy to manage in wind and
waterproof. Only used for a shortish walk so far but seems okay.
Steve Crossley

Looks interesting. It's at the same 1:40k scale as the BMC one. Harvey's
website says that there is good overlap between pages in both direction -
but what about in the spine? Does it overlap there, or lose anything due to
the holes, etc? And how heavy is it?

Thanks.

Stuart

Peter Clinch said:

Harveys have traditionally done the maps for the KIMM (don't know if
they still do, last one I did was over 10 years ago), and they were
1:40K,

I'm too lazy to go and look at my compass (Silva type 4, I think) but
I wonder if it has a 1:40k romer?

I generally use 1:25k maps and that coincides with the most accessible
romer on my compass ie the one along the top edge.

Do you have to carry a separate romer for Harveys maps?

(Thinks hard. I know I also have a 1:50k romer on the compass and I
think there's one more, so perhaps that is 1:40k? It'd be a bugger to
use though.)

Judith

Judith said:

Peter Clinch said:

Harveys have traditionally done the maps for the KIMM (don't know if
they still do, last one I did was over 10 years ago), and they were
1:40K,

I'm too lazy to go and look at my compass (Silva type 4, I think) but
I wonder if it has a 1:40k romer?

I generally use 1:25k maps and that coincides with the most accessible
romer on my compass ie the one along the top edge.

Do you have to carry a separate romer for Harveys maps?

(Thinks hard. I know I also have a 1:50k romer on the compass and I
think there's one more, so perhaps that is 1:40k? It'd be a bugger to
use though.)

I think there's a 1:63orsok one on there for 1 inch to a mile scale.

Yep google has found us a picture - with a nice bubble I notice!
http://www.greenmachinesurplus.com/10.03.05%20006.jpg

I find the Mk1 eyeball quite good at estimating tenths. You can always
use the ruler and mental arithmetic to work out how far it is. I've
just realised that 1:40k is 1 inch to 1 km.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil Cook said:

Quoted message said:

(Thinks hard. I know I also have a 1:50k romer on the compass and I
think there's one more, so perhaps that is 1:40k? It'd be a bugger to
use though.)

I think there's a 1:63orsok one on there for 1 inch to a mile scale.

Well that does look like my compass, but I'd never have been able to
work out that it was for 1 inch to a mile maps! (I suppose I /would
have/ as I presume the 0-10 gradations fit along one side of a grid
box). I looked round a 2nd hand bookshop last week and noticed they
had several inch:mile maps. It was tempting to buy them, just because
they look so nice. (Martin and Roger bought them when they were new!)

Quoted message said:

Yep google has found us a picture - with a nice bubble I notice!
http://www.greenmachinesurplus.com/10.03.05%20006.jpg

Coo, that's quite a bubble!

Quoted message said:

I find the Mk1 eyeball quite good at estimating tenths. You can always
use the ruler and mental arithmetic to work out how far it is. I've
just realised that 1:40k is 1 inch to 1 km.

Is it? Oh, I don't think I can cope with mixed imperial and metric
units. It took me months to realise that if I switched my GPS to
Metric it would be a heck of a lot easier to use with my OS maps!

Judith

Judith said:

Phil Cook said:

Quoted message said:

(Thinks hard. I know I also have a 1:50k romer on the compass and I
think there's one more, so perhaps that is 1:40k? It'd be a bugger to
use though.)

I think there's a 1:63orsok one on there for 1 inch to a mile scale.

Well that does look like my compass,

That one doesn't measure in degrees!

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:22:56 +0100, Bertie Wiggins

cycling_remove_bertie@yahoo_dot_co_dot_uk said:

Quoted message said:

Well that does look like my compass,

That one doesn't measure in degrees!

Ooops! Ah, yes - mils.

How observant I am!

Judith

Bertie Wiggins said:

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:13:50 +0100, Judith
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Well that does look like my compass,

http://www.greenmachinesurplus.com/10.03.05%20006.jpg

Quoted message said:

That one doesn't measure in degrees!

It does. It's the military one, it has mils on the outside but degrees
on the inside.
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[email hidden] wrote in news:1130508341.349618.143540
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Quoted message said:

I`ve just bought the the Harveys lake district atlas
http://www.harveymaps.co.uk/acatalog/Outdoor_Atlas.html
which seems ideal. All the lakes on one map, easy to manage in wind and
waterproof. Only used for a shortish walk so far but seems okay.
Steve Crossley

Looks interesting. It's at the same 1:40k scale as the BMC one. Harvey's
website says that there is good overlap between pages in both direction -
but what about in the spine? Does it overlap there, or lose anything due
to
the holes, etc? And how heavy is it?

Thanks.

Stuart

It's spiral bound so lies flat. I think it is excellent, especially for
browsing and planning. I would still carry the relevant OS 25000 sheet on
walks though.

Observer said:

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Quoted message said:

Looks interesting. It's at the same 1:40k scale as the BMC one. Harvey's
website says that there is good overlap between pages in both direction -
but what about in the spine? Does it overlap there, or lose anything due
to
the holes, etc? And how heavy is it?

It's spiral bound so lies flat. I think it is excellent, especially for
browsing and planning. I would still carry the relevant OS 25000 sheet on
walks though.

Okay, I'll answer Stuart's question. It's not printed in the bound
area, there is a gutter for the binding and the two pages would butt up
perfectly if you ripped them out and trimmed them (I'm sure theirs an
easier way of explaining it but I'm thick today).

Weight? ... That was fun, 🙂 220g - so, prolly not as light as a big
foldy OS map but much more handy (as in usable by hand) than one of them
boat sails.

Justin.

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Quoted message said:

On 2005-10-29, Observer <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's spiral bound so lies flat. I think it is excellent, especially
for browsing and planning. I would still carry the relevant OS 25000
sheet on walks though.

Okay, I'll answer Stuart's question. It's not printed in the bound
area, there is a gutter for the binding and the two pages would butt up
perfectly if you ripped them out and trimmed them (I'm sure theirs an
easier way of explaining it but I'm thick today).

Weight? ... That was fun, 🙂 220g - so, prolly not as light as a big
foldy OS map but much more handy (as in usable by hand) than one of
them boat sails.

Thanks for the information, guys. I think I'm going to go for this - but I
might dismantle it and use individual pages on the hill.

Stuart

Judith said:

Do you have to carry a separate romer for Harveys maps?

I don't know, I don't usually use the roamers at any scale. The plain
cm scale along the edge is longer and more accessible, I find, and since
the maths is pretty trivial at round number scales I just use that and
mental arithmetic if I need a close measure, but more often I just
eyeball distances against the grid.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Justin C said:

Observer said:

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Quoted message said:

Looks interesting. It's at the same 1:40k scale as the BMC one. Harvey's
website says that there is good overlap between pages in both direction -
but what about in the spine? Does it overlap there, or lose anything due
to
the holes, etc? And how heavy is it?

It's spiral bound so lies flat. I think it is excellent, especially for
browsing and planning. I would still carry the relevant OS 25000 sheet on
walks though.

Okay, I'll answer Stuart's question. It's not printed in the bound
area, there is a gutter for the binding and the two pages would butt up
perfectly if you ripped them out and trimmed them (I'm sure theirs an
easier way of explaining it but I'm thick today).

I used their atlas for a trip up Ben More (Crianlarich).. Very good it
was too....

Richard Webb

Dominic Sexton said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Harveys have traditionally done the maps for the KIMM (don't know if
they still do, last one I did was over 10 years ago), and they were
1:40K, and very good they were too. I generally favour Harveys 1:40K
for upland walking areas. Their 1:25K are the same maps as far as
information goes but upscaled, I guess because the market perception is
that 1:40K isn't as good as 1:25K, but with no more info all you get is
a bigger, more unwieldy map to cover the same area <sigh>.

It had seemed that Harveys were deprecating the 1:40K, so I hope this
is a sign it'll be back in business across their range.

I have one ex KIMM 1:40K map and bought a few of their 1:25K jobs but
was not overly impressed that they were just scaled up. I will
definitely get myself one of these and will await any other new areas
with interest.

I thought I'd read something different about this, and so I've just
rung Harvey to ask what the situation is. The answer was interesting,
and helpful, I though.

The explained that their 1:25k maps are essentially enlargements of
the 1:40k maps. However, their 1:40k maps actually contained much more
detail than would normally have been expected on a map of that scale,
comparable in detail to that found on the OS 1:25k. Because of the
amount of detail, some people found the 1:40k difficult to use. Partly
for that reason, and partly also because of the desirability of
producing a map at the 1:25k scale in the same way as the OS, Harvey
decided to enlarge their 1:40k maps to a 1:25k scale. Therefore, the
finished Harvey product is as detailed (in terms of the info useful to
walkers) as the OS 1:25k maps.

The spiral bound atlas of the Lake District that came out recently is
at 1:40k scale, because at 1:25k people would have been walking off
the page all the time. That may apply also to the other spiral bound
atlases: I didn't ask, so don't know.

Incidentally, this is the second time I've rung Harvey Maps recently
to enquire about their products, and I've found them to be helpful,
patient and courteous on both occasions.

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Quoted message said:

The spiral bound atlas of the Lake District that came out recently is
at 1:40k scale, because at 1:25k people would have been walking off
the page all the time. That may apply also to the other spiral bound
atlases: I didn't ask, so don't know.

The atlasses are a boon, as they have returned us to the very useful
1:40k mapping that made Harvey's reputation. Great that they did a
large print edition, but a shame it was the only one you could get.

Now to get more 1:15k orienteering maps....

Richard Webb

Peter Clinch said:

Dominic Sexton said:

The BMC have joined forces with Harvey maps to produce a 1:40k
waterproof map of the Lake District.

Should be available soon. Sounds interesting.

Harveys have traditionally done the maps for the KIMM (don't know if
they still do, last one I did was over 10 years ago)

This year's was by Stirling Surveys. Though if I hadn't know, I'd
have sworn it was Harveys, as it looks identical.

Quoted message said:

It had seemed that Harveys were deprecating the 1:40K, so I hope this is
a sign it'll be back in business across their range.

They just didn't sell enough. Everyone wants 1:25000, as they think
that more detail is always a good thing. Even though most of the
Harveys 1:25000 maps are just the 1:40-000 printed bigger!

Simon

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Peter Clinch said:

Dominic Sexton said:

The BMC have joined forces with Harvey maps to produce a 1:40k
waterproof map of the Lake District.

Should be available soon. Sounds interesting.

Harveys have traditionally done the maps for the KIMM (don't know if
they still do, last one I did was over 10 years ago)

This year's was by Stirling Surveys. Though if I hadn't know, I'd
have sworn it was Harveys, as it looks identical.

Quoted message said:

It had seemed that Harveys were deprecating the 1:40K, so I hope this is
a sign it'll be back in business across their range.

They just didn't sell enough. Everyone wants 1:25000, as they think
that more detail is always a good thing. Even though most of the
Harveys 1:25000 maps are just the 1:40-000 printed bigger!

Simon

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