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  1. May the Lord have mercy on my soul for starting another thread.
    I saw this on another forum:
    http://www.cyclingscotland.org/newsdetail.asp?nid=183&DID=12

    Have a read. I think it sums up nicely what a lot of people on
    this group think.

    Also note that they would recommend helmets for BMX, mountain biking
    and competitive cycling.

  2. John Hearns came up with the following;:

    Quoted message said:

    Also note that they would recommend helmets for BMX, mountain biking
    and competitive cycling.

    As most competitive cycling has mandatory helmet use, I don't see that as a
    problem, too much.

    --
    Paul ...
    (8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

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  3. At Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:01:19 +0100, message
    <[email hidden]> was posted by "Paul - [censored]"
    <[email hidden]>, including some, all or none of the
    following:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Also note that they would recommend helmets for BMX, mountain biking
    and competitive cycling.

    Quoted message said:

    As most competitive cycling has mandatory helmet use, I don't see that as a
    problem, too much.

    Until you get Jacques Barrot standing up in front of Velo City and
    saying that we should all take the racers as our model and wear
    helmets.

    Guy
    --
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    "To every complex problem there is a solution which is
    simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

  4. Just zis Guy, you know? came up with the following;:

    Quoted message said:

    At Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:01:19 +0100, message
    <[email hidden]> was posted by "Paul - [censored]"
    <[email hidden]>, including some, all or none of the
    following:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Also note that they would recommend helmets for BMX, mountain biking
    and competitive cycling.

    Quoted message said:

    As most competitive cycling has mandatory helmet use, I don't see that
    as a problem, too much.

    Until you get Jacques Barrot standing up in front of Velo City and
    saying that we should all take the racers as our model and wear
    helmets.

    Fair comment.

    The argument might then be that competition is inherently more dangerous as
    the aim, mostly, is to be 'the fastest'. That is not, generally <cough>,
    the aim of cyclists in general.

    Similar to motorsport, where all track racers wear helmets, but 'normal' car
    drivers do not.

    --
    Paul ...
    (8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

    Fantic 307 Trials on ebay 4558564657
    Beamish 250 Trials on ebay 4558566146

  5. At Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:11:51 +0100, message
    <[email hidden]> was posted by "Paul - [censored]"
    <[email hidden]>, including some, all or none of the
    following:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Also note that they would recommend helmets for BMX, mountain biking
    > and competitive cycling.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    As most competitive cycling has mandatory helmet use, I don't see that
    as a problem, too much.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Until you get Jacques Barrot standing up in front of Velo City and
    saying that we should all take the racers as our model and wear
    helmets.

    Quoted message said:

    The argument might then be that competition is inherently more dangerous as
    the aim, mostly, is to be 'the fastest'. That is not, generally <cough>,
    the aim of cyclists in general.

    Except that the fatality rate among top class riders appears (this may
    be wrong, we're still collecting data) to be rather higher since
    mandatory helmet use. There certainly seem to be a lot of crashes at
    the moment. Whether this is the effect of risk compensation, or
    whether the pressure to win is higher, I don't know.

    Quoted message said:

    Similar to motorsport, where all track racers wear helmets, but 'normal' car
    drivers do not.

    Hmmmm. Those helmets are designed for the job, though. The major
    source of head injury to cyclists is something for which cycle helmets
    are not designed.

    Guy
    --
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    "To every complex problem there is a solution which is
    simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

  6. Just zis Guy, you know? came up with the following;:

    Quoted message said:

    At Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:11:51 +0100, message
    <[email hidden]> was posted by "Paul - [censored]"
    <[email hidden]>, including some, all or none of the
    following:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> Also note that they would recommend helmets for BMX, mountain biking
    >> and competitive cycling.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > As most competitive cycling has mandatory helmet use, I don't see that
    > as a problem, too much.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Until you get Jacques Barrot standing up in front of Velo City and
    saying that we should all take the racers as our model and wear
    helmets.

    Quoted message said:

    The argument might then be that competition is inherently more dangerous
    as the aim, mostly, is to be 'the fastest'. That is not, generally
    <cough>, the aim of cyclists in general.

    Except that the fatality rate among top class riders appears (this may
    be wrong, we're still collecting data) to be rather higher since
    mandatory helmet use. There certainly seem to be a lot of crashes at
    the moment. Whether this is the effect of risk compensation, or
    whether the pressure to win is higher, I don't know.

    I always thought so ... but certainly for mountain biking based upon my own
    empirical testing 🙂 I know a helmet is a help, though probably not in the
    way intended.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Similar to motorsport, where all track racers wear helmets, but 'normal'
    car drivers do not.

    Hmmmm. Those helmets are designed for the job, though. The major
    source of head injury to cyclists is something for which cycle helmets
    are not designed.

    Quite.

    --
    Paul ...
    (8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

    Fantic 307 Trials on ebay 4558564657
    Beamish 250 Trials on ebay 4558566146

  7. in message <[email hidden]>, Paul - [censored]

    (') said:

    Just zis Guy, you know? came up with the following;:

    Quoted message said:

    At Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:01:19 +0100, message
    <[email hidden]> was posted by "Paul - [censored]"
    <[email hidden]>, including some, all or none of the
    following:

    Quoted message said:

    > Also note that they would recommend helmets for BMX, mountain
    > biking and competitive cycling.

    Quoted message said:

    As most competitive cycling has mandatory helmet use, I don't see
    that as a problem, too much.

    Until you get Jacques Barrot standing up in front of Velo City and
    saying that we should all take the racers as our model and wear
    helmets.

    Fair comment.

    The argument might then be that competition is inherently more
    dangerous as
    the aim, mostly, is to be 'the fastest'. That is not, generally
    <cough>, the aim of cyclists in general.

    Also, riding competitively in a peloton, the risk of a mass stack is
    very considerably higher than it is in normal road riding.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; Usenet: like distance learning without the learning.

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