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  1. Total Chol: 208 H Limits: 100-199
    Trig: 47 Limite: 0-149
    HDL: 82 Limits: 40-59
    VLDL: 9 Limits: 5- 40
    LDL: 117 H Limits: 0-99

    Total GHb: 6.4 Limits: 3.9 - 7.3

    Talking on the phone with the nurse freaked me out! A 6.4 on the
    HbA1c!!!!!!

    Well, after getting my hands on the lab report, I find that, for some reason
    no known t ome, my lab has changed its reference intervals (obviously now
    putting this result out of sync with all my other tests). The interval
    change is highlighted in the report (anyone know the reason for such a
    change?).

    Glucose Control Index Total Glycohemoglobin
    Action Suggested >9
    Good 8 - 9
    Near normal glycemia 7 - 8
    Non-diabetic level <7

    I was high on BUN = 27 (5 - 26) and also on BUN/Creatinine ratio = 30 (8 -
    27). Anyone know what these indicate?

  2. x-no-archive: yes

    Roger Zoul said:

    Total Chol: 208 H Limits: 100-199
    Trig: 47 Limite: 0-149
    HDL: 82 Limits: 40-59
    VLDL: 9 Limits: 5- 40
    LDL: 117 H Limits: 0-99

    Total GHb: 6.4 Limits: 3.9 - 7.3

    Talking on the phone with the nurse freaked me out! A 6.4 on the
    HbA1c!!!!!!

    Well, after getting my hands on the lab report, I find that, for some reason
    no known t ome, my lab has changed its reference intervals (obviously now
    putting this result out of sync with all my other tests). The interval
    change is highlighted in the report (anyone know the reason for such a
    change?).

    Glucose Control Index Total Glycohemoglobin
    Action Suggested >9
    Good 8 - 9
    Near normal glycemia 7 - 8
    Non-diabetic level <7

    Quoted message said:


    I was high on BUN = 27 (5 - 26) and also on BUN/Creatinine ratio = 30 (8 -
    27). Anyone know what these indicate?

    Roger, did you get a urinary protein and/or microalbumin test?

    BUN/Creatinine stuff can mean you eat high protein, or are dehydrated or
    have some loss of kidney function. How much do these labs differ from
    your last, and how long ago were those?

    Susan

  3. x-no-archive: yes

    Roger Zoul said:

    Total Chol: 208 H Limits: 100-199
    Trig: 47 Limite: 0-149
    HDL: 82 Limits: 40-59
    VLDL: 9 Limits: 5- 40
    LDL: 117 H Limits: 0-99

    Total GHb: 6.4 Limits: 3.9 - 7.3

    Talking on the phone with the nurse freaked me out! A 6.4 on the
    HbA1c!!!!!!

    Well, after getting my hands on the lab report, I find that, for some reason
    no known t ome, my lab has changed its reference intervals (obviously now
    putting this result out of sync with all my other tests). The interval
    change is highlighted in the report (anyone know the reason for such a
    change?).

    Your lab isn't using the now near universal DCCT trial standard
    reference range.

    Susan

  4. x-no-archive: yes

    Subject header housecleaning.

    Susan

  5. Susan wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    Subject header housecleaning.

    Susan

    Aw C'mon, I liked that Blook work, sort of a combination of bookwork
    and bloodwork. ;-)

    Cheri

  6. Susan wrote:
    :: x-no-archive: yes
    ::
    :: Roger Zoul wrote:
    ::: Total Chol: 208 H Limits: 100-199
    ::: Trig: 47 Limite: 0-149
    ::: HDL: 82 Limits: 40-59
    ::: VLDL: 9 Limits: 5- 40
    ::: LDL: 117 H Limits: 0-99
    :::
    ::: Total GHb: 6.4 Limits: 3.9 - 7.3
    :::
    ::: Talking on the phone with the nurse freaked me out! A 6.4 on the
    ::: HbA1c!!!!!!
    :::
    ::: Well, after getting my hands on the lab report, I find that, for
    ::: some reason no known t ome, my lab has changed its reference
    ::: intervals (obviously now putting this result out of sync with all
    ::: my other tests). The interval change is highlighted in the report
    ::: (anyone know the reason for such a change?).
    ::
    :: Your lab isn't using the now near universal DCCT trial standard
    :: reference range.

    Which pisses me off, because they used to (at least I think they were -
    these results aren't comparable to all of my old ones - which I don't have
    with me now - but I remember very different ranges. They are reporting
    total glycodemoglobin and I think there were not before). I'm going to try
    to call them tomorrow.

  7. Susan wrote:
    :: x-no-archive: yes
    ::
    :: Roger Zoul wrote:
    ::: Total Chol: 208 H Limits: 100-199
    ::: Trig: 47 Limite: 0-149
    ::: HDL: 82 Limits: 40-59
    ::: VLDL: 9 Limits: 5- 40
    ::: LDL: 117 H Limits: 0-99
    :::
    ::: Total GHb: 6.4 Limits: 3.9 - 7.3
    :::
    ::: Talking on the phone with the nurse freaked me out! A 6.4 on the
    ::: HbA1c!!!!!!
    :::
    ::: Well, after getting my hands on the lab report, I find that, for
    ::: some reason no known t ome, my lab has changed its reference
    ::: intervals (obviously now putting this result out of sync with all
    ::: my other tests). The interval change is highlighted in the report
    ::: (anyone know the reason for such a change?).
    :::
    ::: Glucose Control Index Total Glycohemoglobin
    ::: Action Suggested >9
    ::: Good 8 -
    ::: 9
    ::: Near normal glycemia 7 - 8
    ::: Non-diabetic level <7
    ::
    :::
    ::: I was high on BUN = 27 (5 - 26) and also on BUN/Creatinine ratio =
    ::: 30 (8 - 27). Anyone know what these indicate?
    :::
    :::
    ::
    :: Roger, did you get a urinary protein and/or microalbumin test?

    No, just serum albumin.

    ::
    :: BUN/Creatinine stuff can mean you eat high protein,

    that's a bit funny....though I don't think I eat high protein....
    or are
    :: dehydrated or have some loss of kidney function.

    I'll have to follow up on this.....

    How much do these
    :: labs differ from your last, and how long ago were those?
    ::

    I can't say for sure right now...but I haven't been in for a test of this in
    probaby a year or...Actually, I think the last one was in October 2005.

    I'm going to follow up with the doctor on this. Of course, they said the
    results are great (nurse, not doctor).

    Sorry for the fouled up subject line...

  8. x-no-archive: yes

    Roger Zoul said:

    :: BUN/Creatinine stuff can mean you eat high protein,

    that's a bit funny....though I don't think I eat high protein....
    or are
    :: dehydrated or have some loss of kidney function.

    I'll have to follow up on this.....

    I've had it and still do to some degree, despite improvements in my
    kidney function on low carb.

    If you're DM, your doc is supposed to order microalbumin and urine
    protein every year at least.

    Quoted message said:


    How much do these
    :: labs differ from your last, and how long ago were those?
    ::

    I can't say for sure right now...but I haven't been in for a test of this in
    probaby a year or...Actually, I think the last one was in October 2005.

    I'm going to follow up with the doctor on this. Of course, they said the
    results are great (nurse, not doctor).

    Sorry for the fouled up subject line...

    My first thought is to ask them to re run the tests. If they're very
    different from your last one, that is. Just to see if the lab ran them
    right.

    Susan

  9. "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was high on BUN = 27 (5 - 26) and also on BUN/Creatinine ratio = 30 (8 -
    27). Anyone know what these indicate?

    My BUN has been high 20's for the past 3 years. Before that, it was low
    20's or high teens. My Doc was concerned about it at first because it can be
    a marker for congestive heart desease, tramatic injury, or kidney failure.
    He also said it could be due to a high protein diet or dehydration. Reading
    material on the internet confirms these reasons as well.
    I have no health problems that I am aware of. The higher BUN and
    creatinine levels came shortly after starting low carb and weight training.
    When the levels were normal, I was not doing any serious form of exercise,
    and also eating high carb. So, actually my former life style was better for
    my BUN levels, which is weird.
    Here's some thoughts on why mine may be higher than normal.
    Weight training: Causes a higher than normal protein exchange. Muscle is
    broken down first, and then rebuilt ( hopefully larger :o) ). The tests may
    be measuring the breakdown of muscle (which is catabolic) and would be a
    negative indicator. Also, creatine normally found in meat, is used in a step
    for converting energy, so as it is depleted it degrades to creatinine which
    is also a negative value on a blood test.
    Low Carb: My diet is higher in protein than my former way of eating. In
    fact, before, I would tend to avoid extra protein because it usually meant
    increasing fat as well. Of course I no longer believe in low fat, so I don't
    worry about eating extra protein and fat. Since I believe the body tries to
    be efficient by using fats and carbs as energy and leaving the protein for
    building blocks, some inefficiency (by using it for energy) may result due
    to the shear higher amounts of protein which may not be needed for muscle
    building. Another thing that may be a factor would be that the
    recommendations for protein on the pyramid may be actually too low (my steak
    looks like 2 or 3 decks of cards). This would cause the body to conserve or
    recycle protein, possibly giving a better BUN value.
    I used to be concerned about it, but I don't think it's a problem for me.
    Still, it is a measure that may indicate more serious problems so the Docs
    are always going to point it out as a flag. I'll only get worried if it
    looks like it is going higher.
    I also wonder if the higher BUN and creatinine levels are the reason why
    low carb diets are accused of damaging kidneys? Yet it seems to me that the
    ones that eat low protein are the ones with the renal problems.

  10. Roger Zoul said:

    I was high on BUN = 27 (5 - 26) and also on BUN/Creatinine ratio = 30 (8 -
    27). Anyone know what these indicate?

    Are you taking any NSAIDs or statins?

    --
    Rudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond.

    "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!"
    -Emiliano Zapata

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  11. Tom G. wrote:
    :: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :: news:[email hidden]...
    ::
    ::: I was high on BUN = 27 (5 - 26) and also on BUN/Creatinine ratio =
    ::: 30 (8 - 27). Anyone know what these indicate?
    ::
    :: My BUN has been high 20's for the past 3 years. Before that, it was
    :: low 20's or high teens.

    My BUN was 20 in May of 2005.

    My Doc was concerned about it at first
    :: because it can be a marker for congestive heart desease,

    My father has CHD, I believe.

    tramatic
    :: injury, or kidney failure. He also said it could be due to a high
    :: protein diet or dehydration. Reading material on the internet
    :: confirms these reasons as well. I have no health problems that I am
    :: aware of. The higher BUN and
    :: creatinine levels came shortly after starting low carb and weight
    :: training. When the levels were normal, I was not doing any serious
    :: form of exercise, and also eating high carb. So, actually my former
    :: life style was better for my BUN levels, which is weird.
    :: Here's some thoughts on why mine may be higher than normal.
    :: Weight training: Causes a higher than normal protein exchange.
    :: Muscle is broken down first, and then rebuilt ( hopefully larger :o)
    :: ). The tests may be measuring the breakdown of muscle (which is
    :: catabolic) and would be a negative indicator. Also, creatine
    :: normally found in meat, is used in a step for converting energy, so
    :: as it is depleted it degrades to creatinine which is also a negative
    :: value on a blood test. Low Carb: My diet is higher in protein than
    :: my former way of eating. In fact, before, I would tend to avoid
    :: extra protein because it usually meant increasing fat as well. Of
    :: course I no longer believe in low fat, so I don't worry about eating
    :: extra protein and fat. Since I believe the body tries to be
    :: efficient by using fats and carbs as energy and leaving the protein
    :: for building blocks, some inefficiency (by using it for energy) may
    :: result due to the shear higher amounts of protein which may not be
    :: needed for muscle building. Another thing that may be a factor would
    :: be that the recommendations for protein on the pyramid may be
    :: actually too low (my steak looks like 2 or 3 decks of cards). This
    :: would cause the body to conserve or recycle protein, possibly
    :: giving a better BUN value. I used to be concerned about it, but I
    :: don't think it's a problem for me. Still, it is a measure that may
    :: indicate more serious problems so the Docs are always going to point
    :: it out as a flag. I'll only get worried if it looks like it is
    :: going higher. I also wonder if the higher BUN and creatinine levels
    :: are the reason why low carb diets are accused of damaging kidneys?
    :: Yet it seems to me that the ones that eat low protein are the ones
    :: with the renal problems.

    My doctor didn't seem to be concerned about my BUN levels....I had to press
    him to do additional testing. He claims creatinine is more telling, and mine
    is well within normal range but increased from 2005. More later on this.

    Thanks for the post, Tom.

  12. RRzVRR wrote:
    :: Roger Zoul wrote:
    ::
    ::: I was high on BUN = 27 (5 - 26) and also on BUN/Creatinine ratio =
    ::: 30 (8 - 27). Anyone know what these indicate?
    :::
    ::
    :: Are you taking any NSAIDs or statins?
    ::

    Yes, I am taking Celebrex. I have an arthritic lower back. I think it's a
    result of being so heavy for so many years. This is the first blood work
    (well, first offical BW) I've had since starting on it.

    This, combined with the fact that I was diagnosed with diverticulosis back
    in 2002 (recently after starting LC, in fact), is a reason for concern.
    Celebrex and diverticulia (inflamed) can be a reason for internal bleeding.

  13. your BUN is slightly elevated, and i would guess that is from dehydration.
    you did these tests fasting right?

    "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Total Chol: 208 H Limits: 100-199
    Trig: 47 Limite: 0-149
    HDL: 82 Limits: 40-59
    VLDL: 9 Limits: 5- 40
    LDL: 117 H Limits: 0-99

    Total GHb: 6.4 Limits: 3.9 - 7.3

    Talking on the phone with the nurse freaked me out! A 6.4 on the
    HbA1c!!!!!!

    Well, after getting my hands on the lab report, I find that, for some
    reason no known t ome, my lab has changed its reference intervals
    (obviously now putting this result out of sync with all my other tests).
    The interval change is highlighted in the report (anyone know the reason
    for such a change?).

    Glucose Control Index Total Glycohemoglobin
    Action Suggested >9
    Good 8 - 9
    Near normal glycemia 7 - 8
    Non-diabetic level <7

    I was high on BUN = 27 (5 - 26) and also on BUN/Creatinine ratio = 30 (8 -
    27). Anyone know what these indicate?

  14. readandpostrosie wrote:
    :: your BUN is slightly elevated, and i would guess that is from
    :: dehydration. you did these tests fasting right?

    Yes. I had been sick prior.

    ::
    ::
    ::
    ::
    :: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :: news:[email hidden]...
    ::: Total Chol: 208 H Limits: 100-199
    ::: Trig: 47 Limite: 0-149
    ::: HDL: 82 Limits: 40-59
    ::: VLDL: 9 Limits: 5- 40
    ::: LDL: 117 H Limits: 0-99
    :::
    ::: Total GHb: 6.4 Limits: 3.9 - 7.3
    :::
    ::: Talking on the phone with the nurse freaked me out! A 6.4 on the
    ::: HbA1c!!!!!!
    :::
    ::: Well, after getting my hands on the lab report, I find that, for
    ::: some reason no known t ome, my lab has changed its reference
    ::: intervals (obviously now putting this result out of sync with all
    ::: my other tests). The interval change is highlighted in the report
    ::: (anyone know the reason for such a change?).
    :::
    ::: Glucose Control Index Total Glycohemoglobin
    ::: Action Suggested >9
    ::: Good 8 -
    ::: 9 Near normal glycemia 7 - 8
    ::: Non-diabetic level <7
    :::
    ::: I was high on BUN = 27 (5 - 26) and also on BUN/Creatinine ratio =
    ::: 30 (8 - 27). Anyone know what these indicate?

  15. that more than likely is your answer.
    please talk to your doctor about it though.

    "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    readandpostrosie wrote:
    :: your BUN is slightly elevated, and i would guess that is from
    :: dehydration. you did these tests fasting right?

    Yes. I had been sick prior.

    ::
    ::
    ::
    ::
    :: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :: news:[email hidden]...
    ::: Total Chol: 208 H Limits: 100-199
    ::: Trig: 47 Limite: 0-149
    ::: HDL: 82 Limits: 40-59
    ::: VLDL: 9 Limits: 5- 40
    ::: LDL: 117 H Limits: 0-99
    :::
    ::: Total GHb: 6.4 Limits: 3.9 - 7.3
    :::
    ::: Talking on the phone with the nurse freaked me out! A 6.4 on the
    ::: HbA1c!!!!!!
    :::
    ::: Well, after getting my hands on the lab report, I find that, for
    ::: some reason no known t ome, my lab has changed its reference
    ::: intervals (obviously now putting this result out of sync with all
    ::: my other tests). The interval change is highlighted in the report
    ::: (anyone know the reason for such a change?).
    :::
    ::: Glucose Control Index Total Glycohemoglobin
    ::: Action Suggested >9
    ::: Good 8 -
    ::: 9 Near normal glycemia 7 - 8
    ::: Non-diabetic level <7
    :::
    ::: I was high on BUN = 27 (5 - 26) and also on BUN/Creatinine ratio =
    ::: 30 (8 - 27). Anyone know what these indicate?

  16. Roger Zoul said:

    RRzVRR wrote:
    :: Roger Zoul wrote:
    ::
    ::: I was high on BUN = 27 (5 - 26) and also on BUN/Creatinine ratio =
    ::: 30 (8 - 27). Anyone know what these indicate?
    :::
    ::
    :: Are you taking any NSAIDs or statins?
    ::

    Yes, I am taking Celebrex. I have an arthritic lower back. I think it's a
    result of being so heavy for so many years. This is the first blood work
    (well, first offical BW) I've had since starting on it.

    This, combined with the fact that I was diagnosed with diverticulosis back
    in 2002 (recently after starting LC, in fact), is a reason for concern.
    Celebrex and diverticulia (inflamed) can be a reason for internal bleeding.

    I'm sure you're aware of all the warnings on Celebrex. Your
    back must be pretty painfull to need daily medication. If
    you think you may stop the taking Celebrex maybe you could
    look into acupuntcure? Never given it a try personally, but
    many people I've worked with have and everyone has gotten
    some relief or benefit.

    --
    Rudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond.

    "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!"
    -Emiliano Zapata

    Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at:
    http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm

  17. x-no-archive: yes

    RRzVRR said:

    I'm sure you're aware of all the warnings on Celebrex. Your back must
    be pretty painfull to need daily medication. If you think you may stop
    the taking Celebrex maybe you could look into acupuntcure? Never given
    it a try personally, but many people I've worked with have and everyone
    has gotten some relief or benefit.

    Acupuncture was truly miraculous for me in the past for sciatica and
    even for sinus infection and pain. And I went in skeptical, last resort
    mindset. It doesn't work for all back pain, but it's always worth a shot.

    Also, PT is excellent and offers a lot of non drug relief.

    Susan

  18. RRzVRR wrote:
    :: Roger Zoul wrote:
    ::: RRzVRR wrote:
    ::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
    :::::
    :::::: I was high on BUN = 27 (5 - 26) and also on BUN/Creatinine ratio
    :::::: = 30 (8 - 27). Anyone know what these indicate?
    ::::::
    :::::
    ::::: Are you taking any NSAIDs or statins?
    :::::
    :::
    ::: Yes, I am taking Celebrex. I have an arthritic lower back. I
    ::: think it's a result of being so heavy for so many years. This is
    ::: the first blood work (well, first offical BW) I've had since
    ::: starting on it.
    :::
    ::: This, combined with the fact that I was diagnosed with
    ::: diverticulosis back in 2002 (recently after starting LC, in fact),
    ::: is a reason for concern. Celebrex and diverticulia (inflamed) can
    ::: be a reason for internal bleeding.
    ::
    :: I'm sure you're aware of all the warnings on Celebrex.

    Yes.

    :: Your
    :: back must be pretty painfull to need daily medication.

    There was a lot of pain..but now it's very moderate, but still there.
    Mostly low grade until I do something stupid (seems to happen more than I
    like). I can still ride...and I can still workout, but I don't lug plates
    any more. Standing upright is when I have problems...but if I have a slight
    be incline (like on a treadmill), I'm fine. I hiked up Diamondhead when I
    went to Hawaii in June.

    :: If
    :: you think you may stop the taking Celebrex maybe you could
    :: look into acupuntcure?

    Actually, I did. Didn't seem to help me, but they lady was nice to talk
    with.

    Never given it a try personally, but
    :: many people I've worked with have and everyone has gotten
    :: some relief or benefit.

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