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  1. Descending from Pen-y-Garn today, leaving Forestry Commission land,
    looking for the public right of way (not signed) we entered private
    land. Within 5 minutes a GOMeL had appeared.

    "It's not about looking for a footpath," He claimed, "it's about
    respect."

    SN758768 is the location of the misdemeanor if anyone wants to look it
    up. Foresty Commission land ended 400yds earlier, and the right of
    way joined the farmer's track 200 yds later.

    http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/output1/gam/gam_ordsvywat-sun-0270245250756.png

  2. C L Imber said:

    Descending from Pen-y-Garn today, leaving Forestry Commission land,
    looking for the public right of way (not signed) we entered private
    land. Within 5 minutes a GOMeL had appeared.

    "It's not about looking for a footpath," He claimed, "it's about
    respect."

    SN758768 is the location of the misdemeanor if anyone wants to look it
    up. Foresty Commission land ended 400yds earlier, and the right of
    way joined the farmer's track 200 yds later.


    http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/output1/gam/gam_ordsvywat-sun-027024
    5250756.png

    URL not found, but I've located the spot anyway.

    That's just silly. Who owns the path leading to the forest? Do the
    forestry commision use it?

    What did he say about the ROW anyway? Did he let you continue? Half
    the track is ROW anyway. Looks like one of those incorrect ROWs anyway,
    judging by the way it doesn't follow the path or the contours along that
    section. Seems to me like it should join the track sooner.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  3. C L Imber said:


    http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/output1/gam/gam_ordsvywat-sun-0270245250756.png

    Sorry but that link doesn't work. It only lasts as long as it takes to
    load and print the printable page from OS-Get-a-Map.

    Give a Grid reference and we can find it ourselves.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  4. You dared leave the purple reservation? Oh dear....

    Looks like you were still on the forest road.. Respect runs both
    ways.. Look at it this way, if it was that petty, we bother gomls more
    than they bother us.

    Richard Webb

  5. Paul Saunders said:
    C L Imber said:

    Descending from Pen-y-Garn today, leaving Forestry Commission land,
    looking for the public right of way (not signed) we entered private
    land. Within 5 minutes a GOMeL had appeared.

    "It's not about looking for a footpath," He claimed, "it's about
    respect."

    SN758768 is the location of the misdemeanor if anyone wants to look it
    up. Foresty Commission land ended 400yds earlier, and the right of
    way joined the farmer's track 200 yds later.


    http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/output1/gam/gam_ordsvywat-sun-027024
    5250756.png

    URL not found, but I've located the spot anyway.

    That's just silly. Who owns the path leading to the forest? Do the
    forestry commision use it?

    What did he say about the ROW anyway? Did he let you continue? Half
    the track is ROW anyway. Looks like one of those incorrect ROWs anyway,
    judging by the way it doesn't follow the path or the contours along that
    section. Seems to me like it should join the track sooner.

    There was a gate on the boundary of the FC land with a sign "Private
    Road". We could see the ROW below, but as there was a fence along the
    track we decided to walk along the track to where the ROW joins the
    track. The ROW and the track are correctly mapped.

    Having stopped us, and told us we were trespassing on his land, I
    asked him what he wanted us to do to correct our mistake. It was then
    he asked us where we were heading. I told him that we wanted to get
    onto the path at the bottom of his field by the quickest route without
    climbing his fence. He directed us along his track.

  6. C L Imber said:

    There was a gate on the boundary of the FC land with a sign "Private
    Road". We could see the ROW below, but as there was a fence along the
    track we decided to walk along the track to where the ROW joins the
    track. The ROW and the track are correctly mapped.

    Makes a change.

    Quoted message said:

    Having stopped us, and told us we were trespassing on his land, I
    asked him what he wanted us to do to correct our mistake. It was then
    he asked us where we were heading. I told him that we wanted to get
    onto the path at the bottom of his field by the quickest route without
    climbing his fence. He directed us along his track.

    In cases like this where there is an obvious continuity problem, why
    doesn't someone, like the farmer himself if he's so bothered by walkers,
    create a convenient alternate route? e.g. from the edge of the forestry
    track north to the ROW.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  7. Paul Saunders said:
    C L Imber said:

    There was a gate on the boundary of the FC land with a sign "Private
    Road". We could see the ROW below, but as there was a fence along the
    track we decided to walk along the track to where the ROW joins the
    track. The ROW and the track are correctly mapped.

    Makes a change.

    Quoted message said:

    Having stopped us, and told us we were trespassing on his land, I
    asked him what he wanted us to do to correct our mistake. It was then
    he asked us where we were heading. I told him that we wanted to get
    onto the path at the bottom of his field by the quickest route without
    climbing his fence. He directed us along his track.

    In cases like this where there is an obvious continuity problem, why
    doesn't someone, like the farmer himself if he's so bothered by walkers,
    create a convenient alternate route? e.g. from the edge of the forestry
    track north to the ROW.

    Creating a permissive would be too sensible. It would also spoil the
    landowners' Sunday afternoon sport of harassing hill walkers.

    Where the ROW joins the track there is a gate signed, "Walkers, riders
    and cyclists only. Dogs roam freely."

    On another issue, near the summit of Pen y Garn, there is a large
    construction site of a wind farm. Access on the ROW and to Pen y Garn
    summit was not easy, with padlocked gates and no signs.

    I fully support the construction of this wind farm. I don't consider
    the farms to be intrusive, and so long as the majority of upland areas
    are preserved I see no harm in the development of certain sites.
    However, the contractors should respect ROWs, and clearly sign any
    temporary diversions.

    Here's a web link for opponents of the wind farm.

    http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hills/cc/

    On my way home Sunday evening I was held up by the delivery of one of
    these.

    http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hills/cc/gallery/turbinetraffic08.jpg

    They're probably twice the length of anything I've seen on the road
    before.

  8. GOMeLs?

    Get Off My Land-ers I presume.

    Haven't heard the term before. Good one.

    John

  9. On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:26:33 +0100, "Carrigman" <carrigman@DEATHTO

    SPAMMERShotmail.com said:

    GOMeLs?

    Quoted message said:

    Get Off My Land-ers I presume.

    I think you may have overlooked the significance of the little "e"...
    I assumed it was "Get Off My e***** Land"ers :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Haven't heard the term before. Good one.

    Nor me, but I'm pretty sure I can hear it!

    Best wishes,
    --
    Peewiglet

  10. Peewiglet said:
    Quoted message said:

    GOMeLs?

    Quoted message said:

    Get Off My Land-ers I presume.

    I think you may have overlooked the significance of the little "e"...
    I assumed it was "Get Off My e***** Land"ers :-)

    Get Orf My electronic Land'ers?

    Internet GOMLs?

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  11. Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Peewiglet said:
    Quoted message said:

    GOMeLs?

    Quoted message said:

    Get Off My Land-ers I presume.

    I think you may have overlooked the significance of the little "e"...
    I assumed it was "Get Off My e***** Land"ers :-)

    Get Orf My electronic Land'ers?

    No. . .myGet Orf My English Land'ers - as they don't exist in Scotland any
    more

    druidh

  12. On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:51:59 GMT, "druidh" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    No. . .myGet Orf My English Land'ers - as they don't exist in Scotland any
    more

    Pen y Garn is in Wales.

  13. C L Imber <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Saunders said:
    C L Imber said:

    There was a gate on the boundary of the FC land with a sign "Private
    Road". We could see the ROW below, but as there was a fence along


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    track we decided to walk along the track to where the ROW joins the
    track. The ROW and the track are correctly mapped.

    Makes a change.

    Quoted message said:

    Having stopped us, and told us we were trespassing on his land, I
    asked him what he wanted us to do to correct our mistake. It was


    then

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    he asked us where we were heading. I told him that we wanted to get
    onto the path at the bottom of his field by the quickest route


    without

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    climbing his fence. He directed us along his track.

    In cases like this where there is an obvious continuity problem, why
    doesn't someone, like the farmer himself if he's so bothered by


    walkers,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    create a convenient alternate route? e.g. from the edge of the


    forestry

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    track north to the ROW.

    Creating a permissive would be too sensible. It would also spoil the
    landowners' Sunday afternoon sport of harassing hill walkers.

    Exactly what I was thinking. It sounds like he enjoys the conflict.
    Must be a lonely existance...

    --
    Adrian

  14. "C L Imber" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:51:59 GMT, "druidh" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    No. . .myGet Orf My English Land'ers - as they don't exist in Scotland


    any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more

    Pen y Garn is in Wales.

    Ah sorry - was using England as shorthand for Englandandwales- as per BBC
    guidelines.

    druidh

  15. On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:24:39 GMT, "druidh" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Pen y Garn is in Wales.

    Ah sorry - was using England as shorthand for Englandandwales- as per BBC
    guidelines.

    I understand. 😉

  16. C L Imber <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:51:59 GMT, "druidh" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    No. . .myGet Orf My English Land'ers - as they don't exist in Scotland any
    more

    Pen y Garn is in Wales.

    Not any more (reminder to self- get a job with the EU)

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3715512.stm

    druidh

  17. Its ideological AFAIAK.. Well it is with the Welsh farmer I know
    best...

    There appears to be a problem with the hill going culture, the line I
    get at home is that they dont understand or sympathise with folk who
    waste their time wandering over the hills.. I suppose they want to be
    left alone in their misery.

    Similar attitude from my one bad encounter out there, the prat at Fron
    in the Berwyn that tried to stop me using a bridleway 50m from the
    yard. He bottled it.

    Its all rather sad. -- but I think I have converted the old man.

    Richard Webb

  18. C L Imber said:

    On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:51:59 GMT, "druidh" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    No. . .myGet Orf My English Land'ers - as they don't exist in Scotland any
    more

    Pen y Garn is in Wales.

    Maybe its get the English of the land? Rich considering that I was
    always taught that to get on in farming, you kept moving down the
    river valleys, and in our case that meant into England. (better land
    down hill)

    Richard Webb


  19. Quoted message said:

    Ah sorry - was using England as shorthand for Englandandwales- as per BBC
    guidelines.

    Though the BBC only used the dreaded Uck these days?

    Richard Webb

  20. druidh <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    C L Imber <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<lki3m0p9dg7963j
    [email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:51:59 GMT, "druidh" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    No. . .myGet Orf My English Land'ers - as they don't exist in Scotland any
    more

    Pen y Garn is in Wales.

    Not any more (reminder to self- get a job with the EU)

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3715512.stm


    I blame Ann Robinson, who wanted to put all the Welsh into Room 101.
    --
    Gordon

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