Blood tests for mercury etc..

"Drew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hello, I live in Melbourne, Australia and was wondering if
anyone could suggest the best place to go for blood test's
to determine mercury and other heavy metal's
levels.(considering amalgam removal to reduce syptoms of
lethargy, poor concentration, gastric discomfort,
weakness, to name a few!)

Tia

Why bother with testing, Tia? Even those with fifty or
sixty amalgam fillings have mercury levels well below that
which has ever been shown to cause illness in workers
exposed to mercury.

Those promoting the idea of mercury poisoning from amalgams
are working with the concept that any level of exposure to
mercury has to be very bad and to have the potential to
cause overt illness, even ones not ever seen in mercury
workers.. The laboratories many such persons patronise often
use spurious tests such as hair analysis and live blood cell
analysis to diagnose heavy metal poisoning and you can be
certain will find some mercury and other "nasties" in you.

If you buy all this, and are desperate enough, then you
might as well run the various risks of amalgam removal and
hope for the best.

If you have other sources of mercury exposure such as
eating a lot of fish, and just want some reassurance,
explain it all to your doctor. He/she should be able to
find out where to get the proper testing done. You may have
to pay for the tests if there is no Commonwealth Government
rebate for them. but there probably is.

Peter Moran

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"Drew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hello, I live in Melbourne, Australia and was wondering
if anyone could suggest the best place to go for blood
test's to determine mercury and other heavy metal's
levels.(considering amalgam removal to reduce syptoms of
lethargy, poor concentration, gastric discomfort,
weakness, to name a few!)

Tia

I just cant imagine who Drew johhny@hotmal might be. Oh
the mystery.

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Why bother with testing, Tia? Even those with fifty or
sixty amalgam fillings have mercury levels well below that
which has ever been shown to cause illness in workers
exposed to mercury.

Now there's a repeated lie.

But that's the norm for organized member Peter Moran.

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1: Stomatologiia (Mosk) 1997;76(4):9-11 Related
Articles, Books [Patterns of mercury release from
amalgam fillings into the oral cavity].[Article in
Russian]Motorkina AV, Barer GM, Volozhin AI.

Seventy-five subjects aged 20 to 57 with 1 to 15 fillings
of silver amalgam were examined. The level of mercury
vapors in the oral cavity was

assessedusing

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an AGP-01 device and the method developed by the authors.
Emission of

mercury

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vapors in the oral cavity increased with the number of
fillings. The concentration of mercury in the oral cavity
depends largely on the number ofsilver amalgam fillings
and less so on these fillings' length of

service.Adv

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Dent Res 1992 Sep;6:110-3

Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Side-effects: mercury
contribution to body burden from dental amalgam.Reinhardt
JW.Department of Operative Dentistry, University of Iowa
College of Dentistry,Iowa City 52242.

The purpose of this paper is to examine and report on
studies that relate mercury levels in human tissues to
the presence of dental amalgams, giving special attention
to autopsy studies. Until recently, there have been few
published studies examining the relationship between
dental amalgams and

tissue

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mercury levels. Improved and highly sensitive tissue
analysis techniques

have

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made it possible to measure elements in the concentration
range of parts per billion. The fact that mercury can be
absorbed and reach toxic levels in humantissues makes any
and all exposure to that element of scientific

interest.

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Dental amalgams have long been believed to be of little
significance as contributors to the overall body burden
of mercury, because the elemental

form

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of mercury is rapidly consumed in the setting reaction of
the restoration.Studies showing measurable elemental
mercury vapor release from dental amalgams have raised
renewed concern about amalgam safety.

Mercury vapor absorption occurs through the lungs, with
about 80% of the inhaled vapor being absorbed by the
lungs and rapidly entering the

bloodstream.

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Following distribution by blood circulation, mercury can
enter and remain in certain tissues for longer periods of
time, since the half-life of excretion

is

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prolonged. Two of the primary arget organs of concern are
the central

nervous

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system and kidneys.

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[PubMed - indexed

for

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MEDLINE] 1: FASEB J 1990 Nov;4(14):3256-60 Related
Articles, Books, LinkOut

Comment in: FASEB J. 1991 Feb;5(2):236.

Whole-body imaging of the distribution of mercury
released from dental

fillings

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into monkey tissues.Hahn LJ, Kloiber R, Leininger RW,
Vimy MJ, Lorscheider FL.Department of Radiology,
University of Calgary, Faculty of Medicine,
Alberta,Canada.

The fate of mercury (Hg) released from dental "silver"
amalgam tooth

fillings

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into human mouth air is uncertain. A previous report
about sheep revealed uptake routes and distribution of
amalgam Hg among body tissues. The present investigation
demonstrates the bodily distribution of amalgam Hg in a
monkey whose dentition, diet, feeding regimen, and
chewing pattern closely resemble those of humans.

When amalgam fillings, which normally contain 50% Hg, are
made with a tracer

of

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radioactive 203Hg and then placed into monkey teeth, the
isotope appears in high concentration in various organs
and tissues within 4wk. Whole-body

images

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of the monkey revealed that the highest levels of Hg
werel ocated in the kidney, gastrointestinal tract,
and jaw.

****The dental profession's advocacy of silver amalgam as
a stable tooth restorative material is not supported by
these findings.****PMID:

2227216 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Neurotoxicology 1983 Fall;4(3):201-4 Related Articles,
Books,LinkOut

Mercury toxicity and dental amalgam.Wolff M, Osborne JW,
Hanson AL.There is adequate evidence that dental amalgam
restorations, during and after

placement,

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results in the release of Hg into the patient's body.
Whether the Hg

released

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from amalgam is due to placement procedures, surface
abrasion, orl ater corrosion breakdown, there is evidence
that a low level Hg release continues for years.

****It is generally agreed that if amalgam was introduced
today as a restorative material, they would never pass
F.D.A. approval.****

With new and more accurate techniques of measuring Hg
levels, especially in tissue and blood, additional
studies are necessary to relate blood-Hg levels with
dental amalgam restorations. Studies must relate existing
restorations

as

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well as the placement of new restorations to body-Hg
levels.

It is possible that we have accepted a potentially
dangerous material as

being

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safe.

Publication Types: Historical Article PMID: 6361623

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

chem-tox.commercury.htmOpen ↗

Low Level Mercury Causes Behavior Problems During Pregnancy

Subtle behavior problems were observed in mice offspring
exposed to a single low level mercury dose.

In summarizing the results of their study, the
researchers stated,

"This hypothesis generating study showed highly significant
correlations between mood scores and most measures of low
level Hg (mercury) exposure. The specific mood measures most
associated with Hg exposure were tension, fatigue, and
confusion. The strength of these associations suggests that
mood should be included for investigation in future hypothesis-
testing studies..... Among the cognitive and motor function
tests, only the digit span and simple reaction time
(nondominant hand) scores were associated with any measure
of exposure...... Overall, and despite the small size of the
study population, this investigation found some evidence of
adverse preclinical effects at mercury doses averaging 36
ugs/l in urine. The mood and symptom results of this study
agree with prior evaluations of both high and low urinary
mercury doses. These preliminary survey findings support a
critical evaluation of the adequacy of the 50 ug/g
creatinine biologic threshold for mercury proposed by the
World Health Organization This is the first U.S. dental
study to detect potential behavioral deficits at such a low
level of exposure. A larger and more comprehensive study is
required to accurately determine a biologic threshold of
adverse central and peripheral nervous system effects for
elemental mercury."

Drs. Diana Echeverria, Nicholas J. Heyer, Michael D. Martin,
Conrad A Naleway Depart. of Environ. Health, Univ. of
Washington, School of Dentistry, Univ. of Washington
Neurotoxicology and Teratology, Vol. 17(2):161-168, 1995

Dopamine Uptake in Brain Cells Changed By Methylmercury

Attention Deficit Disorder children were reported in other
headings in this book as having altered dopamine levels.
Several compounds, including alcohol, have been shown to
alter dopamine levels in test animals. Now, researchers at
Duke University Medical School have shown that even very low
levels of methylmercury result in dopamine and
norepinephrine brain neurotransmitter changes.

icnr.securesites.comhhnewsl.htmlOpen ↗

US Government Document Admits That Mercury Vapors From
Silver Fillings Exceeds The Minimum Risk Levels Established
By The US Department of Health & Human Services!

ephca.comci&cme.htmOpen ↗

The biology of mercury toxicity has usually been studied
after acute short exposure (hours, days) not chronic (years)
low long term exposure. Exposure from amalgam fillings
occurs without interruption for many years and if 3-17
micrograms are lost per day in vapor alone that is 1095
micrograms to 6200 micrograms per year which can amount to
as much as 120 mg over 20 years from the fillings alone---
that's a huge amount!!!

mercola.comamalgam safety.htmOpen ↗

Boyd E. Haley Professor and Chair [email hidden]
Department of Chemistry University of Kentucky
uky.eduuky.eduOpen ↗

<snip>

These deaths were identified as being due to a low level
toxicity delivered by caterpillars eating poison plants and
later, on migration, depositing their waste products on
grass being eaten by the mares.

The point being, it is the infant in utero that suffered
most on exposure to low level, toxins, not the mother.
Combined mercury toxicities can be devastating, as I
reference below and in the many references available on the
testfoundation.comtestfoundation.comOpen ↗ website

<snip>

However, the fact is that it is quite easy to detect mercury
emitting from one amalgam using these analyzers. Therefore,
the "estimate" by this ADA spokesman is way too low.
==============================
9. The half-time for the elimination of a single dose of
mercury is extremely long, certainly at least 30 days
for the whole body, and perhaps as long as 10,000 days
for the brain. Multiple small doses will therefore
result in body accumulation.

10. The earliest symptoms of long term, low level mercury
poisoning are subclinical and neurological.
Consequently, due to their subtlety, these symptoms are
easily misdiagnosed.

S. Soderstrom, A Fredriksson, L. Dencker, T. Ebendal, "The
effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the
fetal brain: studies on the expression of nerve growth
factor and its low- and high-affinity receptors,"
Developmental Brain Research 85, 96-108 (1995)

These findings suggest that low levels of prenatal mercury
vapour exposure can alter the levels of the NGF and its
receptors, indicating neuronal damage and disturbed trophic
regulations during development.

What are the Health Impacts?

Mercury is an element that occurs naturally in the
earth?s crust. Most people and wildlife can generally
tolerate the extremely low levels of this naturally
occuring substance. When mercury enters the body it
becomes concentrated in tissue, an effect known as
bioaccumulation. Since this element is toxic at very low
concentrations, even slight increases in the minute
concentrations naturally present in the environment can
have serious effects on humans and wildlife.

Mercury is a neurotoxin in low doses, affecting the
functioning and development of the nervous system. Depending
on the level of exposure, this toxin can have varied health
effects ranging from mental retardation to death.

Mercury definitely has the ability to cross the placental
membranes and so

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cause health disorders in the unborn child. In studies
done by Marsh et al

in

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1981 and 1987, they showed that mothers with hair mercury
levels of 70-640 m
g/gm of hair during pregnancy have 30% increased risk of
psychomotor and

other

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neurological disorders in their infants. Even as low as
10-20 m g/gm can increase risk to 5% (WHO 1990).

Haley and other scientists, including Vimy and
Lorscheider, found in experiments on rat brains that
chronic inhalation of low-level mercury ? at levels
that simulate exposure to amalagam fillings ? can
inhibit brain chemistry, producing lesions similar to
those in Alzheimer¹s diseased brains. Mercury
inhibits the efficiency of tubulin, a protein vital
to brain cells, they explain.

To Tell the Tooth

by Steven F. Hinchey, D.M.D.

While that is true, the cumulative release of low doses of
mercury may be the same or more than recognized forms of
mercury poisoning. Is it worse to have a mega exposure to
mercury vapor at one time, or is it worse to have a
continued low dose exposure over time? The theories of
dental caries (tooth decay) now point to frequency of
exposure to sugar as a strategy to reducing tooth decay. In
other words, frequent small doses of sugar are more harmful
to the teeth than one mega dose of sugar. The same theory
probably holds true for mercury. Allergy desensitization
techniques use the theory of very low dose exposures over a
long period of time to cure.

1. Correlation of plasma Hg with no.of amalgam fillings.
tinyurl.comcdb0Open ↗ 2003

2. Correlation of salivary Hg with no.of amalgam fillings.
tinyurl.comcgs0Open ↗ 2000

3. Correlation of Hg with no.of amalgam fillings or total
amalgam surface. Evidence of pro-oxidant role of amalgam
Hg. tinyurl.comcgrvOpen ↗ 2002

4. Amount of Hg in saliva [I-Hg + H(0)] significantly
higher in subjects with amalgam fillings.
tinyurl.comcgs1Open ↗ 2001

5. I-Hg levels in placenta increased with an increasing
number of maternal dental amalgam fillings .... a
substantial fraction of maternal blood I-Hg, probably as
Hg(0), reached the fetus. tinyurl.comcgrzOpen ↗ 2002

6. Mercury vapour release increases with chewing, with
absorption and uptake by the brain and kidneys. (Ref in
lit report) "...it has not been possible to set a level
for mercury in blood or urine below which mercury
related symptoms will not occur."
tinyurl.comcczdOpen ↗ 2002

7. None of the materials tested consistently prevented
microleakage. tinyurl.comcfcgOpen ↗ 2002

8. In neither of the nonamalgam groups was the wastewater
limit exceeded, but 20.5% in the amalgam group exceeded
the limit. tinyurl.comccyuOpen ↗ 2002

9. Amalgam caused nerve cell toxicity in culture.
tinyurl.comccyoOpen ↗ 2003

10. Amalgam induced chromosome aberrations in vitro. Effects
of low level Hg on humans are not clear.
tinyurl.comcgrxOpen ↗ 2001

11. Amalgam increased production of antinuclear antibodies
(a risk factor in autoimmune disease).
tinyurl.comcf81Open ↗ 2003

(Jan) said:

I just cant imagine who Drew johhny@hotmal might be. Oh
the mystery.

Perhaps it's John Drew who says that he lives in Victoria,
Australia and who posts to Usenet from an IP address
allocated to an ISP with a street address in that state.

--
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Subject: Re: Blood tests for mercury etc.. From: "Peter
Moran" [email hidden] Date: 3/22/2004 9:26 PM Pacific
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"Drew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hello, I live in Melbourne, Australia and was wondering
if anyone could suggest the best place to go for blood
test's to determine mercury and other heavy metal's
levels.(considering amalgam removal to reduce syptoms
of lethargy, poor concentration, gastric discomfort,
weakness, to name a few!)

Tia

I just cant imagine who Drew johhny@hotmal might be. Oh
the mystery.

Whoever he is, he is from Australia. Whom do you
"think" it is?

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Why bother with testing, Tia? Even those with fifty or
sixty amalgam fillings have mercury levels well below
that which has ever been shown

to

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cause illness in workers exposed to mercury.

Now there's a repeated lie.

Peter posted proof of his claim. Thus, it cannot be a lie.
You calling him a liar is a lie, and is the most common lie
on all of usenet.

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But that's the norm for organized member Peter Moran.

You would not know what a norm is, if it were inserted into
your brain by a proctoscope.

Snip of Jan's usual diatribe.

Drew said:

Hello, I live in Melbourne, Australia and was wondering if
anyone could suggest the best place to go for blood test's
to determine mercury and other heavy metal's
levels.(considering amalgam removal to reduce syptoms of
lethargy, poor concentration, gastric discomfort,
weakness, to name a few!)

Tia

Here is a trick:

close off the back of your mouth like you would when
gargling. Don't let any air that has been in your mouth
enter your lungs. See if after keeping this up for a couple
of days (do it while you're asleep too) whether you feel
any different. It should stop the vapours going directly to
your brain.

You need to be very careful about selecting a dentist to
perform removal, and the type of filling material to replace
it with. If a dentist does not perform the procedure
correctly, it will dump a huge amount of mercury directly
into your system.

Move your computer monitor and box farther away from you if
they're close. Electromagnetic fields increase the quantity
of mercury vapour release from fillings.

You should also investigate that mercury isn't your only
problem. Allergies to milk and gluten (mainly wheat) tend to
be related conditions.

Nutritional deficiencies are likely. Especially with zinc
and selenium. Look into this too. Vitamin C with
bioflavonoids would be good to take. Beware of the many dud
retail vitamin C supplements available for sale which
contain potentially carcinogenic artificial-sweateners and
no bioflavonoids.

I don't know whether you'll have much luck with a blood
test. Finding a doctor who won't laugh at you would be the
first problem. The quantity of mercury in the blood doesn't
automatically represent the quantity in tissues either. A
competent natropath with extensive knowledge in the field
may be the best place to start.

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Subject: Re: Blood tests for mercury etc..
From: Brook [email hidden]
Date: 3/23/2004 7:05 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Here is a trick:

close off the back of your mouth like you would when
gargling. Don't let any air that has been in your mouth

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enter your lungs. See if after keeping this up for a couple
of days (do it while you're asleep too) whether you feel
any different. It should stop the vapours going directly to
your brain.

hoping this is a joke...

the OP would also be quite dead from respiratory arrest...oh
well...better than inhaling mercury vapors I suppose..

"do it while you're asleep?"

yikes

hawki.....

There is no mystery, I dont post my true identity and
contact details on usenet when asking a simple question. My
hotmail account is merely a spam trap for emails i havent
added to my contacts list (I do double check these for
replies to usenet, and if the the person appears rational
and genuine I will add them to my contact list. Since I have
no qualifications and am not offering advice to any others I
feel this is an acceptable practice., for those that dont
share my opinion please do not read or respond to my posts.

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Blood tests for mercury etc.. From: "Peter
Moran" [email hidden] Date: 3/22/2004 9:26 PM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id: <405fca6a$0$26950$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>

"Drew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hello, I live in Melbourne, Australia and was wondering
if anyone could suggest the best place to go for blood
test's to determine mercury and other heavy metal's
levels.(considering amalgam removal to reduce syptoms of
lethargy, poor concentration, gastric discomfort,
weakness, to name a few!)

Tia

I just cant imagine who Drew johhny@hotmal might be. Oh
the mystery.

Quoted message said:

Why bother with testing, Tia? Even those with fifty or
sixty amalgam fillings have mercury levels well below that
which has ever been shown to cause illness in workers
exposed to mercury.

Now there's a repeated lie.

But that's the norm for organized member Peter Moran.

Summary Brief Abstract Citation MEDLINE ASN.1 XML/SGML
LinkOut Related

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Articles

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Protein Links Nucleotide Links Popset Links Structure
Links GenomeLinks OMIM Links Structure Domains Links

1: Stomatologiia (Mosk) 1997;76(4):9-11 Related
Articles, Books [Patterns of mercury release from
amalgam fillings into the oral cavity].[Article in
Russian]Motorkina AV, Barer GM, Volozhin AI.

Seventy-five subjects aged 20 to 57 with 1 to 15
fillings of silver amalgam were examined. The level of
mercury vapors in the oral cavity was

assessedusing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

an AGP-01 device and the method developed by the
authors. Emission of

mercury

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

vapors in the oral cavity increased with the number of
fillings. The concentration of mercury in the oral
cavity depends largely on the number ofsilver amalgam
fillings and less so on these fillings' length of

service.Adv

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Dent Res 1992 Sep;6:110-3

Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Side-effects: mercury
contribution to body burden from dental
amalgam.Reinhardt JW.Department of Operative Dentistry,
University of Iowa College of Dentistry,Iowa City 52242.

The purpose of this paper is to examine and report on
studies that relate mercury levels in human tissues to
the presence of dental amalgams, giving special
attention to autopsy studies. Until recently, there have
been few published studies examining the relationship
between dental amalgams and

tissue

Quoted message said:

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mercury levels. Improved and highly sensitive tissue
analysis techniques

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

made it possible to measure elements in the
concentration range of parts per billion. The fact that
mercury can be absorbed and reach toxic levels in
humantissues makes any and all exposure to that element
of scientific

interest.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Dental amalgams have long been believed to be of little
significance as contributors to the overall body burden
of mercury, because the elemental

form

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of mercury is rapidly consumed in the setting reaction
of the restoration.Studies showing measurable elemental
mercury vapor release from dental amalgams have raised
renewed concern about amalgam safety.

Mercury vapor absorption occurs through the lungs, with
about 80% of the inhaled vapor being absorbed by the
lungs and rapidly entering the

bloodstream.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Following distribution by blood circulation, mercury can
enter and remain in certain tissues for longer periods
of time, since the half-life of excretion

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

prolonged. Two of the primary arget organs of concern
are the central

nervous

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

system and kidneys.

Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 1292449
[PubMed - indexed

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

MEDLINE] 1: FASEB J 1990 Nov;4(14):3256-60 Related
Articles, Books, LinkOut

Comment in: FASEB J. 1991 Feb;5(2):236.

Whole-body imaging of the distribution of mercury
released from dental

fillings

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

into monkey tissues.Hahn LJ, Kloiber R, Leininger RW,
Vimy MJ, Lorscheider FL.Department of Radiology,
University of Calgary, Faculty of Medicine,
Alberta,Canada.

The fate of mercury (Hg) released from dental "silver"
amalgam tooth

fillings

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

into human mouth air is uncertain. A previous report
about sheep revealed uptake routes and distribution of
amalgam Hg among body tissues. The present investigation
demonstrates the bodily distribution of amalgam Hg in a
monkey whose dentition, diet, feeding regimen, and
chewing pattern closely resemble those of humans.

When amalgam fillings, which normally contain 50% Hg,
are made with a tracer

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

radioactive 203Hg and then placed into monkey teeth, the
isotope appears in high concentration in various organs
and tissues within 4wk. Whole-body

images

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of the monkey revealed that the highest levels of Hg
werel ocated in the kidney, gastrointestinal tract,
and jaw.

****The dental profession's advocacy of silver amalgam
as a stable tooth restorative material is not supported
by these findings.****PMID:

2227216 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Neurotoxicology 1983 Fall;4(3):201-4 Related
Articles, Books,LinkOut

Mercury toxicity and dental amalgam.Wolff M, Osborne JW,
Hanson AL.There is adequate evidence that dental amalgam
restorations, during and after

placement,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

results in the release of Hg into the patient's body.
Whether the Hg

released

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

from amalgam is due to placement procedures, surface
abrasion, orl ater corrosion breakdown, there is
evidence that a low level Hg release continues for
years.

****It is generally agreed that if amalgam was
introduced today as a restorative material, they would
never pass F.D.A. approval.****

With new and more accurate techniques of measuring Hg
levels, especially in tissue and blood, additional
studies are necessary to relate blood-Hg levels with
dental amalgam restorations. Studies must relate
existing restorations

as

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

well as the placement of new restorations to body-Hg
levels.

It is possible that we have accepted a potentially
dangerous material as

being

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

safe.

Publication Types: Historical Article PMID: 6361623

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

chem-tox.commercury.htmOpen ↗

Low Level Mercury Causes Behavior Problems During Pregnancy

Subtle behavior problems were observed in mice offspring
exposed to a single low level mercury dose.

In summarizing the results of their study, the
researchers stated,

"This hypothesis generating study showed highly significant
correlations between mood scores and most measures of low
level Hg (mercury) exposure. The specific mood measures
most associated with Hg exposure were tension, fatigue, and
confusion. The strength of these associations suggests that
mood should be included for investigation in future hypothesis-
testing studies..... Among the cognitive and motor function
tests, only the digit span and simple reaction time
(nondominant hand) scores were associated with any measure
of exposure...... Overall, and despite the small size of
the study population, this investigation found some
evidence of adverse preclinical effects at mercury doses
averaging 36 ugs/l in urine. The mood and symptom results
of this study agree with prior evaluations of both high and
low urinary mercury doses. These preliminary survey
findings support a critical evaluation of the adequacy of
the 50 ug/g creatinine biologic threshold for mercury
proposed by the World Health Organization This is the first
U.S. dental study to detect potential behavioral deficits
at such a low level of exposure. A larger and more
comprehensive study is required to accurately determine a
biologic threshold of adverse central and peripheral
nervous system effects for elemental mercury."

Drs. Diana Echeverria, Nicholas J. Heyer, Michael D.
Martin, Conrad A Naleway Depart. of Environ. Health, Univ.
of Washington, School of Dentistry, Univ. of Washington
Neurotoxicology and Teratology, Vol. 17(2):161-168, 1995

Dopamine Uptake in Brain Cells Changed By Methylmercury

Attention Deficit Disorder children were reported in other
headings in this book as having altered dopamine levels.
Several compounds, including alcohol, have been shown to
alter dopamine levels in test animals. Now, researchers at
Duke University Medical School have shown that even very
low levels of methylmercury result in dopamine and
norepinephrine brain neurotransmitter changes.

icnr.securesites.comhhnewsl.htmlOpen ↗

US Government Document Admits That Mercury Vapors From
Silver Fillings Exceeds The Minimum Risk Levels Established
By The US Department of Health & Human Services!

ephca.comci&cme.htmOpen ↗

The biology of mercury toxicity has usually been studied
after acute short exposure (hours, days) not chronic
(years) low long term exposure. Exposure from amalgam
fillings occurs without interruption for many years and if
3-17 micrograms are lost per day in vapor alone that is
1095 micrograms to 6200 micrograms per year which can
amount to as much as 120 mg over 20 years from the fillings
alone---that's a huge amount!!!

mercola.comamalgam safety.htmOpen ↗

Boyd E. Haley Professor and Chair [email hidden]
Department of Chemistry University of Kentucky
uky.eduuky.eduOpen ↗

<snip>

These deaths were identified as being due to a low level
toxicity delivered by caterpillars eating poison plants and
later, on migration, depositing their waste products on
grass being eaten by the mares.

The point being, it is the infant in utero that suffered
most on exposure to low level, toxins, not the mother.
Combined mercury toxicities can be devastating, as I
reference below and in the many references available on the
testfoundation.comtestfoundation.comOpen ↗ website

<snip>

However, the fact is that it is quite easy to detect
mercury emitting from one amalgam using these
analyzers. Therefore, the "estimate" by this ADA
spokesman is way too low.
==============================
9. The half-time for the elimination of a single dose of
mercury is extremely long, certainly at least 30 days
for the whole body, and perhaps as long as 10,000 days
for the brain. Multiple small doses will therefore
result in body accumulation.

17. The earliest symptoms of long term, low level mercury
poisoning are subclinical and neurological.
Consequently, due to their subtlety, these symptoms are
easily misdiagnosed.

S. Soderstrom, A Fredriksson, L. Dencker, T. Ebendal, "The
effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the
fetal brain: studies on the expression of nerve growth
factor and its low- and high-affinity receptors,"
Developmental Brain Research 85, 96-108 (1995)

These findings suggest that low levels of prenatal mercury
vapour exposure can alter the levels of the NGF and its
receptors, indicating neuronal damage and disturbed trophic
regulations during development.

What are the Health Impacts?

Mercury is an element that occurs naturally in the earth?s
crust. Most people and wildlife can generally tolerate the
extremely low levels of this naturally occuring substance.
When mercury enters the body it becomes concentrated in
tissue, an effect known as bioaccumulation. Since this
element is toxic at very low concentrations, even slight
increases in the minute concentrations naturally present in
the environment can have serious effects on humans and
wildlife.

Mercury is a neurotoxin in low doses, affecting the
functioning and development of the nervous system.
Depending on the level of exposure, this toxin can have
varied health effects ranging from mental retardation
to death.

Mercury definitely has the ability to cross the placental
membranes and so

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cause health disorders in the unborn child. In studies
done by Marsh et al

in

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1981 and 1987, they showed that mothers with hair
mercury levels of 70-640 m
g/gm of hair during pregnancy have 30% increased risk of
psychomotor and

other

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neurological disorders in their infants. Even as low as
10-20 m g/gm can increase risk to 5% (WHO 1990).

Haley and other scientists, including Vimy and
Lorscheider, found in experiments on rat brains that
chronic inhalation of low-level mercury ? at levels
that simulate exposure to amalagam fillings ? can
inhibit brain chemistry, producing lesions similar
to those in Alzheimer¹s diseased brains. Mercury
inhibits the efficiency of tubulin, a protein vital
to brain cells, they explain.

To Tell the Tooth

by Steven F. Hinchey, D.M.D.

While that is true, the cumulative release of low doses of
mercury may be the same or more than recognized forms of
mercury poisoning. Is it worse to have a mega exposure to
mercury vapor at one time, or is it worse to have a
continued low dose exposure over time? The theories of
dental caries (tooth decay) now point to frequency of
exposure to sugar as a strategy to reducing tooth decay. In
other words, frequent small doses of sugar are more harmful
to the teeth than one mega dose of sugar. The same theory
probably holds true for mercury. Allergy desensitization
techniques use the theory of very low dose exposures over a
long period of time to cure.

1. Correlation of plasma Hg with no.of amalgam fillings.
tinyurl.comcdb0Open ↗ 2003

2. Correlation of salivary Hg with no.of amalgam fillings.
tinyurl.comcgs0Open ↗ 2000

3. Correlation of Hg with no.of amalgam fillings or total
amalgam surface. Evidence of pro-oxidant role of
amalgam Hg. tinyurl.comcgrvOpen ↗ 2002

4. Amount of Hg in saliva [I-Hg + H(0)] significantly
higher in subjects with amalgam fillings.
tinyurl.comcgs1Open ↗ 2001

5. I-Hg levels in placenta increased with an increasing
number of maternal dental amalgam fillings .... a
substantial fraction of maternal blood I-Hg,
probably as Hg(0), reached the fetus.
tinyurl.comcgrzOpen ↗ 2002

6. Mercury vapour release increases with chewing, with
absorption and uptake by the brain and kidneys. (Ref in
lit report) "...it has not been possible to set a level
for mercury in blood or urine below which mercury
related symptoms will not occur."
tinyurl.comcczdOpen ↗ 2002

7. None of the materials tested consistently prevented
microleakage. tinyurl.comcfcgOpen ↗ 2002

8. In neither of the nonamalgam groups was the wastewater
limit exceeded, but 20.5% in the amalgam group exceeded
the limit. tinyurl.comccyuOpen ↗ 2002

9. Amalgam caused nerve cell toxicity in culture.
tinyurl.comccyoOpen ↗ 2003

10. Amalgam induced chromosome aberrations in vitro.
Effects of low level Hg on humans are not clear.
tinyurl.comcgrxOpen ↗ 2001

11. Amalgam increased production of antinuclear antibodies
(a risk factor in autoimmune disease).
tinyurl.comcf81Open ↗ 2003

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:26:03 +1000, "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]>

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Why bother with testing, Tia? Even those with fifty or
sixty amalgam fillings have mercury levels well below that
which has ever been shown to cause illness in workers
exposed to mercury.

Sorry, Sir, but this is not correct. There is a big
difference between acute poisoning and poisoning with low
doses over a long time.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Reklame mit wahrheitswidrigen Behauptungen

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Quoted message said:

Peter Moran said:

Why bother with testing, Tia? Even those with fifty or
sixty amalgam fillings have mercury levels well below
that which has ever been shown

to

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cause illness in workers exposed to mercury.

Sorry, Sir, but this is not correct. There is a big
difference between acute poisoning and poisoning with low
doses over a long time.

Sorry, mate, it is to such chronic exposure that I refer.
There is a vast experience of chronic occupational mercury
poisoning to draw upon.

In addition, a lot of studies have looked at the health of
those with and without amalgams and have been unable to
establish any health impairment from them . One study only,
which has never been replicated, purports to find a
statistical correlation of minor neuropsychiatric
abnormalities on sophisticated testing with mercury levels
that can theoretically be approached by mercury release from
a lot of amalgams. The same authors have never been able to
show overt (symptomatic) illness from them.

I don't care enormously if those with vague illnesses want
to go through the expense and hazards of amalgam removal.
Best of British luck to them. At least most of them will
regret it, for such illnesses are extremely prevalent in
people without amalgams.

My main interest in this field derived from the ignorant
cruelty of those advising amalgam removal for cancer . There
is no rhyme or reason to that.

Peter Moran

Brook said:

A competent natropath with extensive knowledge in the field
may be the best place to start.

That is nonsense. The naturopaths have no knowledge about
these matters. To really make a valid diagnose, SOLID
mediclal knowledge is essential. Naturopaths do not have
this knowledge, and so cannot make diagnoses.

Treatment without valid diagnoses must be considered as
attempted murder.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Reklame mit wahrheitswidrigen Behauptungen

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:04:23 +1000, "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Sorry, mate, it is to such chronic exposure that I refer.
There is a vast experience of chronic occupational mercury
poisoning to draw upon.

Sorry, Sir, but there you are mistaken. The laws and rules
for environmental poisoning AT WORK are quite different from
those in NORMAL life, like at home.

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In addition, a lot of studies have looked at the health of
those with and without amalgams and have been unable to
establish any health impairment from them .

There is a key error in all those studies : They do not have
enough material for comparison. If more than 90 percent of
the population are affected, you do not have enough probands
for long-term studies.

Do you remember the coffee-study in scandinavia, which
lasted about 20 years ? The key error there was that they
studied the effect of coffee, and did not consider that
coffee is drunk at a high temperature, which will vaporize
mercury from amalgam fillings. The result of the study is,
that the more coffee is drunk, the more problems with joints
occur (if I remember this point correctly).

We now could claim, that this result was caused NOT by the
ingredients of the coffee, but by dental amalgam being
vaporized by hot coffee. The studies done by Tekran
support this.

BUT, this still is no proof, as we need a study, lasting
about 20 years with persons who never had and in these 20
years never will have dental amalgam. And we need another
group which drinks another HOT drinks, but no coffee. How
many millions people to you need to start with, to get this
study done... ? Too many.. So it will never be done...

Quoted message said:

One study only, which has never been replicated, purports
to find a statistical correlation of minor neuropsychiatric
abnormalities on sophisticated testing with mercury levels
that can theoretically be approached by mercury release
from a lot of amalgams. The same authors have never been
able to show overt (symptomatic) illness from them.

As for some years now I deal with other topics : which study
do you mean ?

Quoted message said:

I don't care enormously if those with vague illnesses want
to go through the expense and hazards of amalgam removal.
Best of British luck to them. At least most of them will
regret it, for such illnesses are extremely prevalent in
people without amalgams.

My main interest in this field derived from the ignorant
cruelty of those advising amalgam removal for cancer .
There is no rhyme or reason to that.

Yes, the old problem : no valid diagnoses - because of god-damned-
stupid "healers" and "medical doctors"... People are ill and
seek the cause for their illnesses and - as being laymen -
are ripped off by the whole health scene...

The key here is that the good medical doctors do not fight
fiercely enough for scientific medicine, but instead help to
cover up the criminals, MDs and "healers" the like...

We need a fortified medicine !

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Reklame mit wahrheitswidrigen Behauptungen

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Quoted message said:

Peter Moran said:

Sorry, mate, it is to such chronic exposure that I refer.
There is a

vast

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experience of chronic occupational mercury poisoning to
draw upon.

Sorry, Sir, but there you are mistaken. The laws and rules
for environmental poisoning AT WORK are quite different
from those in NORMAL life, like at home.

Yes, those who work in the mercury industry have much higher
mercury loads and much higher mercury excretion than those
who don't but only have amalgams. And amongst th workers it
is only those with the highest urinary mercury excretions
who show deleterious effects.

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In addition, a lot of studies have looked at the health
of those with

and

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without amalgams and have been unable to establish any
health impairment from them .

There is a key error in all those studies : They do not
have enough material for comparison. If more than 90
percent of the population are affected, you do not have
enough probands for long-term studies.

No problem. You determine whether there is a correlation
between symptoms and number of amalgam surfaces, or daily
mercury excretion. This has been done and there is none.
Here is an example of such a study ---

Environ Health Perspect 2003 May;111(5):719-23

Mercury derived from dental amalgams and
neuropsychologic function.

Factor-Litvak P, Hasselgren G, Jacobs D, Begg M, Kline J,
Geier J, Mervish

N, Schoenholtz S, Graziano J.

Department of Epidemiology and Department of Environmental
Health Sciences,

Mailman School of Public Health, Columbia University, New
York, New York,

USA.

There is widespread concern regarding the safety of silver-
mercury amalgam

dental restorations, yet little evidence to support their
harm or safety. We

examined whether mercury dental amalgams are adversely
associated with

cognitive functioning in a cross-sectional sample of healthy
working adults.

We studied 550 adults, 30-49 years of age, who were not
occupationally

exposed to mercury. Participants were representative of
employees at a major

urban medical center. Each participant underwent a
neuropsychologic test

battery, a structured questionnaire, a modified dental
examination, and

collection of blood and urine samples. Mercury exposure was
assessed using

a) urinary mercury concentration (UHg); b) the total number
of amalgam

surfaces; and c) the number of occlusal amalgam surfaces.
Linear regression

analysis was used to estimate associations between each
marker of mercury

exposure and each neuropsychologic test, adjusting for
potential confounding

variables. Exposure levels were relatively low. The mean UHg
was 1.7 micro

b/g creatinine (range, 0.09-17.8); the mean total number of
amalgam surfaces

was 10.6 (range, 0-46) and the mean number of occlusal
amalgam surfaces was

6.1 (range, 0-19). No measure of exposure was significantly
associated with

the scores on any neuropsychologic test in analyses that
adjusted for the

sampling design and other covariates. In a sample of healthy
working adults,

mercury exposure derived from dental amalgam restorations
was not associated

with any detectable deficits in cognitive or fine motor
functioning.

PMID: 12727600 [PubMed - in process]

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Do you remember the coffee-study in scandinavia, which
lasted about 20 years ? The key error there was that they
studied the effect of coffee, and did not consider that
coffee is drunk at a high temperature, which will vaporize
mercury from amalgam fillings. The result of the study is,
that the more coffee is drunk, the more problems with
joints occur (if I remember this point correctly).

We now could claim, that this result was caused NOT by the
ingredients of the coffee, but by dental amalgam being
vaporized by hot coffee. The studies done by Tekran
support this.

BUT, this still is no proof, as we need a study, lasting
about 20 years with persons who never had and in these
20 years never will have dental amalgam. And we need
another group which drinks another HOT drinks, but no
coffee. How many millions people to you need to start
with, to get this study done... ? Too many.. So it will
never be done...

Or you you can just try and show if the presence of amalgams
has any correlation with poor health, coffee or no.

Here is the closest we have to a prospective study looking
at a wide variety of symptoms, mortality and blood tests.
--- Acta Odontol Scand 1999 Jun;57(3):168-74

Serum mercury concentration in relation to survival,
symptoms, and diseases: results from the prospective
population study of women in Gothenburg, Sweden.

Ahlqwist M, Bengtsson C, Lapidus L, Gergdahl IA, Schutz A

Department of Oral Diagnostic Radiology, Goteborg
University, Gothenburg, Sweden.

[Medline record in process]

A prospective population study of women in Gothenburg,
Sweden was started in 1968-69 and comprised 1462 women aged
38, 46, 50, 54, or 60 years at baseline. Follow-up studies
were carried out in 1974-75, 1980-B11, and 1992-93. The
baseline study included an extensive medical and dental
examination. Serum mercury concentration (beta-HG) was
determined in deep-frozen samples from all participants in
1968-69 and in a random subsample of sera from participants
in 1980-81, about 20 years after the baseline examination.
S-Hg was statistically significantly correlated with number
of amalgam fillings at both examinations. Of 30 defined
symptoms and 4 different clusters of symptoms, no one was
independently correlated with S-Hg measured in the samples
from 1968-69, while there was a negative statistically
significant correlation with over-exertion and poor appetite
in 1980-81. Blood hemoglobin and serum B-12 concentrations
in 1968-69 were statistically significantly and positively
correlated with S-Hg, while erythrocyte sedimentation rate
and the serum concentrations of potassium and triglycerides
were significantly and negatively correlated with S-Hg, also
after including potential confounders. Blood hematocrit
examined in 1980-81 was negatively correlated with S-Hg.
When including potential confounders, serum IgA was also
statistically significantly correlated with S-Hg, but not in
univariate analysis. No statistically significant
correlation was observed between S-Hg, on the one hand, and
the incidence of diabetes, myocardial infarction, stroke, or
cancer on the other, while a statistically significant
negative correlation was observed with overall mortality
when age and education were included as background
variables. There were some correlations between biological
variables and S-Hg, probably of no negative clinical
significance, and we conclude that there is no association
between disease and S-Hg on a population basis in middle-
aged and older women.

PMID: 10480284, UI: 99408161

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One study only, which has never been replicated, purports
to find a statistical correlation of minor
neuropsychiatric abnormalities on sophisticated testing
with mercury levels that can theoretically be approached
by mercury release from a lot of amalgams. The same
authors have never been able to show overt (symptomatic)
illness from them.

As for some years now I deal with other topics : which
study do you mean ?

Lucchini R, Cortesi I, Facco P, Benedetti L, Camerino D,
Carta P, Urbano ML, Zaccheo A, Alessio L.

Cattedra di Medicina del Lavoro, Universita di Brescia, P.le
Spedali Civili 1, 25125 Brescia.

OBJECTIVES: To assess early effects on the Central Nervous
System due to occupational exposure to low levels of
inorganic mercury (Hg) in a multicenter nationwide cross-
sectional study, including workers from chloro-alkali
plants, chemical industry, thermometer and fluorescent lamp
manufacturing. The contribution of non-occupational exposure
to inorganic Hg from dental amalgams and to organic Hg from
fish consumption was also considered. METHODS:
Neuropsychological and neuroendocrine functions were
examined in a population of 122 workers occupationally
exposed to Hg, and 196 control subjects, not occupationally
exposed to Hg. Neuropsychological functions were assessed
with neurobehavioral testing including vigilance, motor and
cognitive function, tremor measurements, and with symptoms
concerning neuropsychological and mood assessment.
Neuroendocrine functions were examined with the measurement
of prolactin secretion. The target population was also
characterized by the surface of dental amalgams and sea fish
consumption. RESULTS: In the exposed workers the mean
urinary Hg (HgU) was 10.4 +/- 6.9 (median 8.3, geometric
mean 8.3, range 0.2-35.2) micrograms/g creatinine, whereas
in the control group the mean HgU was 1.9 +/- 2.8 (median
1.2, geometric mean 1.2, range 0.1-33.2) micrograms/g
creatinine. The results indicated homogeneous distribution
of most neurobehavioral parameters among exposed and
controls. On the contrary, finger tapping (p < 0.01) and the
BAMT (Branches Alternate Movement Task) coordination test (p
= 0.05) were associated with occupational exposure,
indicating an impairment in the exposed subjects. Prolactin
levels resulted significantly decreased among the exposed
workers, and inversely related to HgU on an individual basis
(p < 0.05). An inverse association was also observed between
most neuropsychological symptoms and sea fish consumption,
indicating a "beneficial effect" from eating sea fish. On
the contrary, no effects were observed as a function of
dental amalgams. CONCLUSIONS: In conclusion, this study
supports the finding of early alterations of motor function
and neuroendocrine secretion at very low exposure levels of
inorganic Hg, below the current ACGIH BEI and below the most
recent exposure levels reported in the literature.

There is another, that I cannot turn up for now, but which
will be in the archives of this group.

Peter Moran

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't care enormously if those with vague illnesses
want to go through

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

expense and hazards of amalgam removal. Best of British
luck to them.

At

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

least most of them will regret it, for such illnesses are
extremely prevalent in people without amalgams.

My main interest in this field derived from the ignorant
cruelty of

those

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

advising amalgam removal for cancer . There is no rhyme
or reason to that.

Yes, the old problem : no valid diagnoses - because of god-damned-
stupid "healers" and "medical doctors"... People are ill
and seek the cause for their illnesses and - as being
laymen - are ripped off by the whole health scene...

The key here is that the good medical doctors do not fight
fiercely enough for scientific medicine, but instead help
to cover up the criminals, MDs and "healers" the like...

Quoted message said:

We need a fortified medicine !

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Reklame mit wahrheitswidrigen
Behauptungen

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:55:13 +1000, "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There is a key error in all those studies : They do not
have enough material for comparison. If more than 90
percent of the population are affected, you do not have
enough probands for long-term studies.

No problem. You determine whether there is a correlation
between symptoms and number of amalgam surfaces, or daily
mercury excretion. This has been done and there is none.

This is not enough. The symptoms are only measurable via
statistics. The reason : One cannot make a DEFINITIVE
correlation between cause and consequence FOR A SINGLE
PERSON. The coffee study shows some shift to more problem
with joins as consequence of "more coffee". But for a single
person ??? No chance.

If you want to make a study with 20.000 probands, you need
200.000 probands FIRST, out of which you take those with no
amalgam fillings.

Then you must be sure that the 20.000 will in the next 20
years will not have amalgam fillings. How can one do that ?
How large must the number be to still have 20.000 left at
the end of the study, who still have no amalgam fillings ?

Quoted message said:

Here is an example of such a study --- Environ Health
Perspect 2003 May;111(5):719-23

[...]

550 is not enough probands. The measurements made do NOT
reflect the REAL amount of mercury in each proband. Only
tissues analyses can give such figures. Chelation tests are
rather worthless.

Next, if one is well, how can THIS FACT be correlated with
the dental amalgam ? Many symptoms can have thousands of
other causes as well. And here lies the problem for a person
who really is poisoned : How can this very person PROVE the
amalgam fillings being the caus ? Fact
is : one cannot...

[coffee-study in scandinavia]

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BUT, this still is no proof, as we need a study, lasting
about 20 years with persons who never had and in these 20
years never will have dental amalgam. And we need another
group which drinks another HOT drinks, but no coffee. How
many millions people to you need to start with, to get
this study done... ? Too many.. So it will never be
done...

Or you you can just try and show if the presence of
amalgams has any correlation with poor health, coffee or
no.

That will not work. We have many symptoms, like dramatically
rising allergy rate (about 1/3 of our population is
allergic) or dramatic rise in opthalmological problems (like
shortsightedness) or pain (like headache).

If we want to make a test with coffee and have 2 choices
- with amalgam
- without amalgam,

then we need about 20.000 persons without amalgam... Again
we are at very large numbers...

Quoted message said:

Here is the closest we have to a prospective study looking
at a wide variety of symptoms, mortality and blood tests.
--- Acta Odontol Scand 1999 Jun;57(3):168-74

[...]

Quoted message said:

...and we conclude that there is no association between
disease and S-Hg on a population basis in middle-aged and
older women. PMID: 10480284, UI: 99408161

As far as I can see, there was no comparison with a group of
people who NEVER had ANY amalgam fillings.

Quoted message said:

Lucchini R, Cortesi I, Facco P, Benedetti L, Camerino D,
Carta P, Urbano ML, Zaccheo A, Alessio L. Cattedra di
Medicina del Lavoro, Universita di Brescia, P.le Spedali
Civili 1, 25125 Brescia.

[...]

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CONCLUSIONS: In conclusion, this study supports the finding
of early alterations of motor function and neuroendocrine
secretion at very low exposure levels of inorganic Hg,
below the current ACGIH BEI and below the most recent
exposure levels reported in the literature.

Here, again, we have lots of measurements, but these figures
do not describe a "state of health".

In the meantime the situations worsens as there are so many
chemical in their air, in beverages and in food, that it is
hard to find all the correllations between a poison, groups
of poisons and the consequences. What if one poison is
relatively harmless, but only if another poison is absent ?

In one study fish was mentioned. Fish is a good food with
many valuable ingredients. But what if that fish is
contaminated ?

One of the big problems with fish (as an example) is the
statistics the recommendations base upon. In my article
about fish I wrote about that. This article contains some
data about fish, etc :

ariplex.comama fish.htmOpen ↗

Here is a study about dentists office personnell :

ariplex.comamaneuro.htmOpen ↗

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Reklame mit wahrheitswidrigen Behauptungen

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(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

From: Happy Oyster

Quoted message said:

Treatment without valid diagnoses must be considered as
attempted murder.

Quoted message said:

Misdiagnosis Home

And advertizing for Hulda Clark (like Jan Drew does) also
must be considered attempted murder.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
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Reklame mit wahrheitswidrigen Behauptungen

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(Jan) said:

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And advertizing for Hulda Clark (like Jan Drew does) also
must be considered attempted murder.

I advertise for no one, period.

That again is a typical lie by Jan Drew.

Jan Drew dumps thousands of postings into the net. Jan Drew
claims : "It helps" and "It works". All that is typical
advertizing.

Jan Drew is no dentist. Jan Drew is an advertizing agency
for the naturopath mafia and by no means a person who can be
believed. Jan Drew abuses honorable scientists like Mr.
Vimy, Mr. Lorscheider, etc for his insane advertizing for
insane junk.

More about Jan Drew, the shame of the human race :

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(Jan) said:

Jan Drew claims :

Quoted message said:

"It helps" and "It works". All that is typical
advertizing.

Umm, no it is not, it is called sharing.

If it worked for me, I'll share it.

That is a key lie of Jan Drew.

Claims, nothing but claims by Jan Drew. ALL of Jan Drew's
"proofs" are Jan Drews own claims and Jan Drew's own lies.
Jan Drew is an insane notorious liar and forger.

Jan Drew is a danger for unknowing persons and should be put
into jail. As soon as possible. And as long as possible.

The FAQ about Jan Drew :

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(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Blood tests for mercury etc.. From: Happy
Oyster [email hidden] Date: 3/28/2004 3:43 PM
Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

On 28 Mar 2004 20:10:42 GMT, [email hidden]

(Jan) said:

Jan Drew claims :
>"It helps" and "It works". All that is typical
>advertizing.
>

Umm, no it is not, it is called sharing.

That is an insane lie. Jan Drew advertizes in large scale
for quackery and charlatanism.

Quoted message said:

If it worked for me, I'll share it.

That is one of the key lies by Jan Drew.

Quoted message said:

I have helped others and will continue.

Jan

That's is one of the the key lies by Jan Drew.

Jan Drew is a danger for unknowing persons and should be put
into jail. As soon as possible. And as long as possible.

The FAQ about Jan Drew :

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Aribert Deckers
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