Blocking Cortisol???

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WillBrink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Good grief!
That LAST thing I need is an _increase_ in cortisol levels! :-P

What about some of the cortisol blockers being sold by some of the
bodybuilding supplement companies? I've never seriously investigated
those.

Which one's???

Since I've never investigated any of them, I don't have any brand names
memorized at the moment. I just peruse articles and ads for supplements
when I read "Muscular Development" It's the only BB rag I subscribe to.

I'm VERY cautious in investing in supplements! They are expensive and
can be a waste of money without proper research.

Right now, all I take is a good multi (Solgar brand VM-750), a double
dose of "Now" brand multiminerals, Nature's way trace minerals, extra
vitamin E, C, A&D, and a lot of extra Twinlabs Magnesium since I have
trouble retaining it, (Doc says I have a genetic renal tubule defect
which causes me to lose magnesium at an abnormal rate), DHEA at 100 mg.
per day, Melatonin at night as a sleep aid, and prescriptions are
Thyroid Armour (or Thyrolar when we can get it!), Metformin, 2,000 mg.
per day, Adderall XR once per day (and I don't always take it on my days
off as I'm not really overly fond of Amphetamines) and that's pretty
much it.

Probably plenty IMHO? <G>

If you know of some brands or supplements, I'd appreciate some advice.
I'll also peruse your website again and see if you have any info. there?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Who is "Cortisol"? And why do you have him blocked?

Mr-Natural-Health said:

WillBrink wrote:

Ha, ...Hah, Ha!

WillBrink is a muscle bound jock who does not have a clue about
science.

Just my opinion, but I am right as usual. 🙂

Stick to MFW and somebody might actually believe you.

Actually, you're a psychotic. Your classic "Ha, ...Hah, Ha!" is
probably an example of hebephrenic schizophrenia, and anyone who reads
your protacted Wikipedia rants will be amused by the bizarre
conspiracies you cook up in your deluded mind.

Your best hope is to find a natural substitute for haloperidol.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

In article <[email hidden]>,

DZ said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Mr-Natural-Health said:

The closest thing to a quick fix for Cortisol induced stress would
be Siberian Ginseng (Russian Ginseng) or Eleutheroccus Senticosus.

I can get the bottles of liquid Red Ginseng extract at the local
Oriental market.

I have a friend who is researching genetics of many things, ginseng in
particular. He's growing some behind his lab on the beautiful coast of
Sea of Japan. Many years ago we've built that genetics lab building
together from scratch.

Here is a recent photo where he is digging up a 16 y.o. plant:
http://home.nc.rr.com/netsink/Panax1.jpg

Pretty plants! Profitable too.
I subscribe to "Ag Ventures" magazine which is a rag for niche farming.
Making a profit on small lots of land. They had a good article on
growing Ginseng, but my property is really not suitable for it.

Right now, I'm looking into putting in a pond and growing real Wasabi
instead! The real stuff is more expensive than the common paste that is
available at most markets.

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to make some Russian-style extract -
http://home.nc.rr.com/netsink/Panax2.jpg

<lol>
Drink the extracting reagent and toss the roots eh?

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which our company consumed that night... I chewed on some root too.

As the night grew upon us, some became overpowered by the mighty plant
but we knew everything is fine as the surroundings are always
well-protected -

http://home.nc.rr.com/netsink/Surr.jpg

;-D

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However!

"Red Ginseng" (Panax) is not the same as Eleutheroccus (Siberian
ginseng) which is a different genus (Panax). They are of the same
family Araliaceae. Eleutheroccus is a bush and "ginseng" (Panax) in
the photos is a plant that grows for many years.

I suspected that after I did a bit more reading.

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There are at least four common Araliaceae species with somewhat
similar (but not the same) "adaptogenic" properties growing in Russian
Far East and China -

Eleutherococcus, Acanthopanax (these are bushes)
Panax (regular ginseng)
Aralia mandshurica (this is a tall and very thorny tree)

Saponins in all these species (as well as in American ginseng) have
different chemical structure. Aralia's extract (called "Saparal"😉 used
to be very popular among USSR students studying for exams.

DZ

Ginseng is supposed to be a magic elixer for a lot of things.
Seems to be more of a stimulant than anything else.

Green tea extract used to be my old standby.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

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Who is "Cortisol"? And why do you have him blocked?

Smartass. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mr-Natural-Health said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a

likely

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increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.

Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

The closest thing to a quick fix for Cortisol induced stress would

be

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Siberian Ginseng (Russian Ginseng) or Eleutheroccus Senticosus.
http://www.nutriherb.net/siberian-ginseng.html

Oh really?!?!?

I can get the bottles of liquid Red Ginseng extract at the local
Oriental market. 10 ml. bottles, doses of 4,800 mg. 30 vials at $6.00

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per box.

I'll check that link (thanks!) but do you think that would work?

1 or 2 vials per day, empty stomach or with meals?
I've never experimented with Ginseng before...

I specified the Siberian form of ginseng because that is the version
that you should be taking.

Avoid Siberian ginseng if you have high blood pressure.

"For stress: Take 100 to 200 mg three times a day. Special "adrenal
gland" formulas now on the market commonly contain Siberian ginseng in
combination with licorice, pantothenic acid, and other stress-fighting
ingredients."
http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,821,00.html

"-Dried root: The recommended dose is 500 to 3,000 milligrams dried
root daily (tea, or in capsules).
-Tincture: (herb and alcohol; or herb, alcohol, and water), one
teaspoon three times per day.
-Fluid extract (1:1): 1/2 to 1 tsp. Two to three times per day.
Extract (33% alcohol extract): 40 to 120 drops one to three times per
day.
-Solid extracts, made from dried, powdered root are also available.
Look for products that contain at least 1% eleutheroside F, and take
100 to 200 mg three times per day. "
http://www.medformation.com/ac/CAM.nsf/consherbs/GinsengSiberianch.html

WillBrink said:

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WillBrink is a muscle bound jock who does not have a clue about
science.

Really? 3 years of chemistry and other sciences and I know nothing?

So, you never finished your 4 year program in science?

You have my condolences. 🙁

JMW said:

Actually, you're a psychotic. Your classic "Ha, ...Hah, Ha!" is
probably an example of hebephrenic schizophrenia, and anyone who

reads

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your protacted Wikipedia rants will be amused by the bizarre
conspiracies you cook up in your deluded mind.

Wikipedia? I don't need no stinking Wikipedia!

You have my condolences. 🙂

I am in the process of re-writing my Dictionary on Alternative Medicine
because the Wikipedia stuff is so bad, it is pathetic. The new version
will a have strong emphasis on the Wellness Movement.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mr-Natural-Health said:

JMW said:

Actually, you're a psychotic. Your classic "Ha, ...Hah, Ha!" is
probably an example of hebephrenic schizophrenia, and anyone who

reads

Quoted message said:

your protacted Wikipedia rants will be amused by the bizarre
conspiracies you cook up in your deluded mind.

Wikipedia? I don't need no stinking Wikipedia!

You have my condolences. 🙂

I am in the process of re-writing my Dictionary on Alternative Medicine
because the Wikipedia stuff is so bad, it is pathetic. The new version
will a have strong emphasis on the Wellness Movement.

Do you read Mindell?

For nutritional "therapies", I've found him to be very reliable.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mr-Natural-Health said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mr-Natural-Health said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> I'm attributing this rather stubborn halt to my progress as a

likely

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> increase in Cortisol levels due to stress.
>
> Is there _anything_ I can do about that?????

The closest thing to a quick fix for Cortisol induced stress would

be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Siberian Ginseng (Russian Ginseng) or Eleutheroccus Senticosus.
http://www.nutriherb.net/siberian-ginseng.html

Oh really?!?!?

I can get the bottles of liquid Red Ginseng extract at the local
Oriental market. 10 ml. bottles, doses of 4,800 mg. 30 vials at $6.00

Quoted message said:

per box.

I'll check that link (thanks!) but do you think that would work?

1 or 2 vials per day, empty stomach or with meals?
I've never experimented with Ginseng before...

I specified the Siberian form of ginseng because that is the version
that you should be taking.

Avoid Siberian ginseng if you have high blood pressure.

"For stress: Take 100 to 200 mg three times a day. Special "adrenal
gland" formulas now on the market commonly contain Siberian ginseng in
combination with licorice, pantothenic acid, and other stress-fighting
ingredients."
http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,821,00.html

"-Dried root: The recommended dose is 500 to 3,000 milligrams dried
root daily (tea, or in capsules).
-Tincture: (herb and alcohol; or herb, alcohol, and water), one
teaspoon three times per day.
-Fluid extract (1:1): 1/2 to 1 tsp. Two to three times per day.
Extract (33% alcohol extract): 40 to 120 drops one to three times per
day.
-Solid extracts, made from dried, powdered root are also available.
Look for products that contain at least 1% eleutheroside F, and take
100 to 200 mg three times per day. "
http://www.medformation.com/ac/CAM.nsf/consherbs/GinsengSiberianch.html

Thanks, but before I jump into it, I need to do more research first...
I'm a bit leery if studies showed it to raise Cortisol.

Not that I'd totally believe the findings of a single study only. I know
better than that.

I prefer to do a lot of reading and cross referencing before trying a
new supplement, and not just because of the expense. ;-)

Thanks for taking the time to post!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Mr-Natural-Health said:

JMW said:

Actually, you're a psychotic. Your classic "Ha, ...Hah, Ha!" is
probably an example of hebephrenic schizophrenia, and anyone who

reads

Quoted message said:

your protacted Wikipedia rants will be amused by the bizarre
conspiracies you cook up in your deluded mind.

Wikipedia? I don't need no stinking Wikipedia!

You have my condolences. 🙂

I am in the process of re-writing my Dictionary on Alternative Medicine
because the Wikipedia stuff is so bad, it is pathetic. The new version
will a have strong emphasis on the Wellness Movement.

Knock yourself out, loon.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

In article <[email hidden]>,

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mr-Natural-Health said:

WillBrink said:

> WillBrink is a muscle bound jock who does not have a clue about
> science.

Really? 3 years of chemistry and other sciences and I know nothing?

So, you never finished your 4 year program in science?

You have my condolences. 🙁

Don't underesimate Will Brink John.

Dude, why would you respond to this person in a serious manner? I only
responded to it for others who might be under the impression (falsely by
a person with no science background at all, and by his own admission had
to have all his teeth removed due to be in such poor shape) that ginseng
has been shown conclusively to lower cortisol, when it has not. Don¹t
feed the trolls.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> The closest thing to a quick fix for Cortisol induced stress would
> be Siberian Ginseng (Russian Ginseng) or Eleutheroccus Senticosus.
> http://www.nutriherb.net/siberian-ginseng.html

Thanks, but before I jump into it, I need to do more research

first...

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I'm a bit leery if studies showed it to raise Cortisol.

Not that I'd totally believe the findings of a single study only. I

know

Quoted message said:

better than that.

I prefer to do a lot of reading and cross referencing before trying a

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new supplement, and not just because of the expense. ;-)

I believe that the person who owns the problem is one who must spend
their own time doing there own reserach.

I simply repeated the position of the Wellness community on Siberian
Ginseng (Russian Ginseng) ability to reduce Cortisol induced stress.

Having no background in the sciences I figured out how to research
medline some 7 years ago. I know how to search for exact phrases,
authors, and for journals in Medline. A person with a science
background should have no problem. Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

I was researching a problem yesterday on the ability of deep breathing/
exhalation/ forced breathing to lower heart rates. I had better luck
finding a relevant abstract searching Google than with Medline (since
the Science people behind Medline don't have a clue as how to set up a
good search engine). But, from that 1st abstract I turned up a half
dozen more good abstracts on Medline.

You will still have to make your own conclusion, something that science
people absolutely refuse to do. Doing so will make you a part of the
Quacky Wellness Community. 🙂

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

DZ said:

As the night grew upon us, some became overpowered by the mighty plant
but we knew everything is fine as the surroundings are always
well-protected -

http://home.nc.rr.com/netsink/Surr.jpg

The flag is interesting. Apparently Soviet Navy, but the emblem is
unfamiliar. I managed to find it on the Russian Navy web site, but
naturally, I can't read the caption.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

WillBrink said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Mr-Natural-Health said:

WillBrink wrote:
> > WillBrink is a muscle bound jock who does not have a clue about
> > science.
>
> Really? 3 years of chemistry and other sciences and I know nothing?

So, you never finished your 4 year program in science?

You have my condolences. 🙁

Don't underesimate Will Brink John.

Dude, why would you respond to this person in a serious manner? I only
responded to it for others who might be under the impression (falsely by
a person with no science background at all, and by his own admission had
to have all his teeth removed due to be in such poor shape) that ginseng
has been shown conclusively to lower cortisol, when it has not. Don¹t
feed the trolls.

John Gohde isn't a troll. He's a kook.

It's still better to ignore him, though.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Right now, all I take is a good multi (Solgar brand VM-750),
a double dose of "Now" brand multiminerals, Nature's way
trace minerals, extra vitamin E, C, A&D, and a lot of extra
Twinlabs Magnesium since I have trouble retaining it,
(Doc says I have a genetic renal tubule defect which causes
me to lose magnesium at an abnormal rate), DHEA at 100 mg.
per day, Melatonin at night as a sleep aid, and prescriptions
are Thyroid Armour (or Thyrolar when we can get it!), Metformin
2,000 mg. per day, Adderall XR once per day (and I don't always
take it on my days off as I'm not really overly fond of
Amphetamines) and that's pretty much it.

You consider doing some research of possible interactions of all the
medications/vitamins/minerals you are currently taking. The timing and
or combinations might be part of your underlying weightloss plateu and
not have that much to do with your stress change at work. "Everything
is the same" usually isnt. Your food schedule is probably off just as
your sleep patterns are. People underestimate the importance of sleep,
its not just the hours but the type of sleep you get.
For an example of side effects of Adderall, it states, "Ampthetamines
can cause a significant elevation in plasma corticosteroid levels".
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/adderallxr_ad.htm
"In physiology, corticosteroids are a class of steroid hormones that
are produced in the adrenal cortex. Corticosteroids are involved in a
wide range of physiologic systems such as stress response, immune
response and regulation of inflammation, carbohydrate metabolism,
protein catabolism, blood electrolyte levels, and behavior".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corticosteroid
Might want to rethink using the Adderall.
You say you take 'lots' of TwinLabs Magnesium because your absorbtion
of it is suspect. Wouldnt it be better to get this mostly from
magnesium rich foods? This link lists magnesium interactions plus food
sources:
http://home.caregroup.org/clinical/altmed/interactions/Nutrients/Magnesium.htm
Also, too much magnesium can cause diarrea which can lead to
malabsorbtion of the other vitamins/minerals you are taking. Money
'wasted' away you might say.
These socalled cortisol 'blocker' products have nothing extraordinary
in them. A few appetite suppressants, some vitamin/minerals, etc and
are just capitalizing on the 'stress makes you fat' bandwagon to make a
quick buck. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/wrh/cort.html
As far as cortisol and stress levels, just take extra VitaminC, which
in higher doses helps to shut down cortisol levels.
http://www.ironmagazine.com/article83.html

joanne

JMW said:

Quoted message said:

As the night grew upon us, some became overpowered by the mighty
plant but we knew everything is fine as the surroundings are
always well-protected - http://home.nc.rr.com/netsink/Surr.jpg

The flag is interesting. Apparently Soviet Navy, but the emblem is
unfamiliar. I managed to find it on the Russian Navy web site, but
naturally, I can't read the caption.

John Gohde isn't a troll. He's a kook.

Sorry, but the only kook here is John M. Williams. 🙂

Just my opinion, but I am right as usual.

I am making the art of trolling with the trolls and kooks of WEB land a
science. Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

If you cannot enjoy the ride, why even bother?

joanne said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

The only thing that has changed has been my stoopid
work schedule! I'm being rotated back and forth between swing and
graveyard shifts. No routine and no regular sleep patterns have
drastically increased physical stress levels. I'm tired all the time
and cannot concentrate very well.

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You consider doing some research of possible interactions of all the
medications/vitamins/minerals you are currently taking. The timing

and

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or combinations might be part of your underlying weightloss plateu

and

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not have that much to do with your stress change at work.

No I don't think so. See above, quote.

The literature documenting the negative effects of shift work on your
health is quite solid.

A recent example would be:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_24222.html

The problem with cortisol is that it takes a toll on your body if
chronically elevated. Biochemist Ray Peat has written about
anti-stressor substances that do not have this effect. You can do a
google search for ray peat newsletter and you will find his web site,
which features some free newsletters that address this point.

"joanne" <[email hidden]> wrote

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Right now, all I take is a good multi (Solgar brand VM-750),
a double dose of "Now" brand multiminerals, Nature's way
trace minerals, extra vitamin E, C, A&D, and a lot of extra
Twinlabs Magnesium since I have trouble retaining it,
(Doc says I have a genetic renal tubule defect which causes
me to lose magnesium at an abnormal rate), DHEA at 100 mg.
per day, Melatonin at night as a sleep aid, and prescriptions
are Thyroid Armour (or Thyrolar when we can get it!), Metformin
2,000 mg. per day, Adderall XR once per day (and I don't always
take it on my days off as I'm not really overly fond of
Amphetamines) and that's pretty much it.

<snip website regurgitations>

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Might want to rethink using the Adderall.

You might want to rethink advising someone with ADD to discontinue their
physician-prescribed medication.

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You say you take 'lots' of TwinLabs Magnesium because your absorbtion
of it is suspect. Wouldnt it be better to get this mostly from
magnesium rich foods?

Which part of "Doc says I have a genetic renal tubule defect which causes me
to lose magnesium at an abnormal rate" do you not understand? Maybe we can
find a cartoon website with lots of pictures to help you.

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As far as cortisol and stress levels, just take extra VitaminC, which
in higher doses helps to shut down cortisol levels.
http://www.ironmagazine.com/article83.html

You are SUCH a blithering idiot. How have you avoided suicide?

David