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  1. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Then the article is wrong. You are right that freezing does not kill
    bacteria but that was not the original claim. Freezing does stop all
    bacterial action.

    you might be surprised:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=
    10943552&dopt=Abstract

    Permit me to indulge in a minor fit of sighing and eye-rolling. OK, now
    I'm done.

    "Below freezing" which is what this article talks about means "below 0
    degrees C." It does not necessarily mean "frozen." Yes, a few organisms
    can exist at temperatures below 0 degrees, but they are not frozen - the
    water has not crystallized. That is what we have been talking about.

    --
    Peter Aitken
    Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

  2. Peter A said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Then the article is wrong. You are right that freezing does not kill
    bacteria but that was not the original claim. Freezing does stop all
    bacterial action.


    you might be surprised:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=
    10943552&dopt=Abstract

    Permit me to indulge in a minor fit of sighing and eye-rolling. OK, now
    I'm done.

    "Below freezing" which is what this article talks about means "below 0
    degrees C." It does not necessarily mean "frozen." Yes, a few organisms
    can exist at temperatures below 0 degrees, but they are not frozen - the
    water has not crystallized. That is what we have been talking about.

    Anything else? Last I knew, water freezes at 0 degrees C (32 degrees F),
    and that means crystallized.

    <ohhhhhh, you mean at sea level>

  3. Pennyaline said:
    Peter A said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    > Then the article is wrong. You are right that freezing does not kill
    > bacteria but that was not the original claim. Freezing does stop all
    > bacterial action.
    you might be surprised:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=

    10943552&dopt=Abstract

    Permit me to indulge in a minor fit of sighing and eye-rolling. OK,
    now I'm done.

    "Below freezing" which is what this article talks about means "below 0
    degrees C." It does not necessarily mean "frozen." Yes, a few
    organisms can exist at temperatures below 0 degrees, but they are not
    frozen - the water has not crystallized. That is what we have been
    talking about.

    Anything else? Last I knew, water freezes at 0 degrees C (32 degrees F),
    and that means crystallized.

    Some organisms are able to accumulate a bunch of glycol or glycerin in
    their cells that acts as an antifreeze to lower the freezing point.

    Bob

  4. zxcvbob said:
    Pennyaline said:
    Peter A said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...
    >> Then the article is wrong. You are right that freezing does not
    >> kill bacteria but that was not the original claim. Freezing does
    >> stop all bacterial action.
    > you might be surprised:
    > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=
    >
    > 10943552&dopt=Abstract
    >
    >

    Permit me to indulge in a minor fit of sighing and eye-rolling. OK,
    now I'm done.

    "Below freezing" which is what this article talks about means "below
    0 degrees C." It does not necessarily mean "frozen." Yes, a few
    organisms can exist at temperatures below 0 degrees, but they are not
    frozen - the water has not crystallized. That is what we have been
    talking about.

    Anything else? Last I knew, water freezes at 0 degrees C (32 degrees
    F), and that means crystallized.

    Some organisms are able to accumulate a bunch of glycol or glycerin in
    their cells that acts as an antifreeze to lower the freezing point.

    And spores are not affected by ordinarily high and low temps, including
    freezing and boiling.

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